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  1. On 7/1/2018 at 11:10 PM, Saltface said:

    Friday evening's ice cream social was turned into a dance party. As we walked past it, I couldn't see anyone on the dance floor that wasn't a staff member.

    This photo from SBR. Apparently, they are now hosting dance parties at The Summit now too - complete with karaoke and glow sticks.




  2. Quite simply, these membership changes are motivated by financial desperation from shrinking enrollment, made more urgent by the LDS exit. It is insulting for BSA National to pretend otherwise. Honest communication is a starting point for effective change management, but these folks approach it more like a con game. Their deceptions are in plain view, and I find it all quite disgusting.

  3. When such questions arise, it usually boils down to desire and ability.

    Desire is tough to cultivate if it is absent. Ability can be developed (within limits).

    It sounds like you have the desire to serve, but health issues may impact your ability to serve.

    If the Den Leader position demands more than you are physically able to give, perhaps there is another position (say as a committee member) that would better match your abilities and not require so much camping and training.

    Regarding comments about a having a low opinion of yourself or being a bad person ... all I can say is that serving others always raises my self-esteem and self-worth. For that reason alone, I would try to find a way to stay involved in some position. We all have something to contribute - large or small.

  4. Boys need more outdoor, less indoor. More adventure, less bookwork. More moving, less sitting.

    Boys need more strong male role models to emulate and admire.

    Boys need recognition that they learn differently and behave differently than girls (especially during young adolescence).

    Boys need validation that boy behavior does not always equal bad behavior, and that girl behavior does not always equal good behavior.

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  5. 3 hours ago, Hedgehog said:

    I also see the co-ed dynamics and understand that co-ed at the younger ages won't work.  So, the BSA structure actually works - a boy Troop, a girl Troop and a co-ed Venturing Crew.

    Scouting is not co-ed. (1)

    (1) Unless you attend a summer camp, or a merit badge university, or a Camporee, or a Cub Scout Day Camp, or an OA Induction, or NYLT, or any other event sponsored at the District, Council, or National level.

    So the Scouts BSA structure actually does not work if you engage in anything outside your own troop.

  6. 3 hours ago, mashmaster said:

    I will not allow you to bring me down to that level. 

    Setting aside the pompous nature of your statement, focusing on the needs of boys (a failing segment of our society) is not a lower calling. It reveals a lot that you somehow consider yourself more elevated.

  7. 3 hours ago, mashmaster said:

    Frankly, I don't understand why you are sticking around if you feel so strongly that the BSA has wronged you and the boys. 

    If based only on my strong disapproval, I would already be gone. But “sticking around” has to do with my love for the boys I serve as Scoutmaster. My planned exit from Scouting will happen in an orderly way. Our troop will be dissolved after nearly 60 years in existence and more than 85 Eagle Scouts. Decisions have consequences.

    3 hours ago, mashmaster said:

    I respect that you feel differently about girls in scouting 

    Respect? Attempts to trivialize opposing points of view by saying “everyone has their panties up in a wad” only reveals your lack of respect and understanding.

  8. 3 hours ago, mashmaster said:

    Frankly, I see nothing wrong with boys joining and following the girl scout program.

    But do you use labels like “discriminatory” and “exclusionary” and “on the wrong side of history” to describe organizations that focus on the needs of girls? Or is that name calling reserved only for those serving boys?

  9. 4 hours ago, thrifty said:

    I may be taking this out of context but I felt the need to reply.  There are many "liberals" that are not happy with the new direction of BSA including myself.  There are also "conservatives" that I know that are thrilled that their daughters will be joining BSA. 

    You are correct that this issue crosses liberals and conservatives.

    My main point should have been emphasized that the door swings only one way (against boys). This comes at a time when boys are clearly the group failing in our society and nobody cares. Nobody. Silence. Crickets. Any expression of support for boys and their unique needs is tagged with labels of sexism, chauvinism, and patriarchy. The fact that BSA is now abandoning its mission for boys under the banner of inclusion saddens me beyond belief.

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  10. 18 hours ago, mashmaster said:

    I seem to remember a time when there were others we felt shouldn't be in the program or worse.  Discrimination throughout history has always been proven wrong by the test of time. 

    Expressions like yours only reaffirm that those of us who disagree with the co-ed Scouting decision longer have a home in BSA.

    By your statement, I guess you believe that GSUSA (who excludes boys) is an organization composed of sexists and bigots who are on the wrong side of history too, right? Oh yeah - I forgot that your liberal door only swings one way (against boys).

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  11. On 6/18/2018 at 10:06 AM, shortridge said:

    I really can’t wait until 2024 when the members of this forum look back and say ...

    Speaking only for this forum member, I will be long gone by 2024. Many will be exiting Scouting over these issues.

    The ones who choose to remain in Scouting are by definition the same ones who agree (or perhaps disagree less) with these decisions.

  12. Stuff in our storage closet that gets used a lot: Flags, merit badge books, first aid equipment, ropes/poles for lashings.

    Stuff in our storage closet that never gets used: Mishmash of camping equipment that was mostly discarded from Scouting families who didn't want/need the stuff.

     For our troop campouts, everyone brings their own tents, stoves, etc from home. I like that solution because the Scouts are then motivated to take care of it. Troop camping equipment generally gets thrashed.


  13. 47 minutes ago, Hedgehog said:

    Trust me, 11 to 14 year old girls don’t want to be around 11 to 14 year old boys.

    I'm curious to know how your 11-14 year old girls will feel about attending a co-ed summer camp with boy troops (because co-ed BSA summer camps will be the reality). Speaking only for our 11-14 year old boys, the idea of co-ed summer camp is anathema to them. They would rather skip summer camp altogether and do our own wilderness camp instead.

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  14. 17 minutes ago, RememberSchiff said:

    It is those family members who passed while I was Scouting whom I wish I spent more time.

    I get it.

    I know other dedicated Scouters who willingly sacrifice unbelievable hours for the good of Scouting (i.e. they lead training weekends, they staff Camporee events, they mentor OA Lodges, they renovate dilapidated camp properties). I confess that my Scoutmaster motivations are more selfish (I want to facilitate a great Scouting experience for my son). When my son was unable to attend our troop campout last weekend, I wanted to transfer my duties to other adults/dads (but I ended up going anyway). I guess that makes me a "conditional Scouter" of a different variety.


    52 minutes ago, RememberSchiff said:

    I wonder if scouting is like work, in the end one wishes more time was spent with family?

    If you are asking yourself the question, you probably already know the answer.

  15. 5 minutes ago, MattR said:

    That's what boys want. It's not the boys that push for eagle, it's the parents, the scouters, the council and the BSA. People are worried that the addition of girls is going to wreck scouting for boys but the emphasis on schoolwork and advancement is what's doing it. Eagle has become the koolaid.

    I will not dispute your experience, but that has not been the experience for my son. My son definitely drank the Eagle KoolAid, and he will be the first to tell you that achieving the rank of Eagle Scout has been the highlight of his life so far. But in no way has advancement wrecked his Scouting experience. Yes - he has earned 57 merit badges, but he also has 50+ nights of camping and 150+ miles of hiking beneath his feet. Who says Eagle and adventure need to be mutually exclusive?

  16. 4 minutes ago, RememberSchiff said:

    This thought has been on my mind lately.  I wonder if scouting is like work, in the end one wishes more time was spent with family?

    I am the Scoutmaster of my son's troop, so Scouting time has been mostly family time.

    Many of us understand how consuming Scouting can become. I completely detached from my Scoutmaster persona during a recent two-week family vacation. It gave me a pleasant vision into what my life will be like after the LDS exit on 12/31/19. There is indeed life after Scouting.

  17. 5 minutes ago, Eagle94-A1 said:

    I can be more effective, do more good, and not deal with all the crap by working with my sons and their friends.

    Because of recent BSA decisions and because of the recent LDS exit announcement, I feel I can be more effective and do more good working with the youth program of my church (and, yes - sidestep the crap).

  18. 5 minutes ago, Gwaihir said:

    So quit.  throw in the towel.  the fight is lost. 

    The fight is over with BSA, but it is not lost. My efforts will continue full force with our church youth program that is well-equipped in the realm of developing boys into responsible men, capable providers, strong fathers, and loyal husbands. In that environment, one may still assert that men and women are actually different, with each filling essential and complementary roles in life (how outrageous is that?).

  19. 11 minutes ago, Gwaihir said:

    Sorry, but we men need to stand up

    Let me know how that goes for you. Consider those on this relatively tame forum who dare to decry girls entering BSA (unScoutlike is the kindest of those characterizations).

    Are you ready to be assailed as sexist, chauvinistic, and patriarchal? You had better check your male privilege at the door. The only reason that article could be published at all is because the author is female.

  20. On 6/14/2018 at 1:05 PM, Eagledad said:

    Thanks, @Eagledad. I stumbled on this article before you posted the link on this forum. I cried when reading it because truly we are losing our boys and nobody cares. Not even BSA cares anymore. My son faces this on a daily basis in a school environment dominated by female teachers and female administrators. He is graded according to female methods of learning and disciplined according to female standards of behavior. Scouting has been his refuge - a safe space for boys to just be boys. That is now sacrificed on the altar of inclusiveness.


    On 6/14/2018 at 1:05 PM, Eagledad said:

    I know that as much as girls needed a program like the Boy Scout program, boys need it a lot worse.

    With troops of 12-13 year-old boys and 12-13 year-old girls in the same summer camp environment, tell me which will be called out for being disruptive and distracting, and which will be praised for being focused and attentive?


    On 6/14/2018 at 1:05 PM, Eagledad said:

    I get that the BSA has moved on and there is no going back, but just maybe a few here will be swayed to consider the needs of the boy

    There is no going back. So our boys will retreat to their last remaining dominions: sports teams for those who are athletically inclined, and the dropout society of the video game culture for the rest. Sad beyond belief. This social petri dish is putrid.