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    Scouting Magazine - betting the farm on girls

    Isn't it Surbaugh's job to make that case? I'm afraid that would violate YPT - lol.
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    Scouting Magazine - betting the farm on girls

    Even on this board, it is the same few that are in support. This is not a terribly active board - the same people are posting most of the time.
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    Scouting Magazine - betting the farm on girls

    I actually do believe that some honesty from Surbaugh would help with retention and recruiting. Resentment grows when people feel they are being manipulated. Understanding grows with honest communication.
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    Scouting Magazine - betting the farm on girls

    Show me your data - happy to see it.
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    Scouting Magazine - betting the farm on girls

    Yep. Like I said, what you see depends on where you sit. I have no problem with that concept. Can't Surbaugh then at least be honest about the reality of BSA's situation driving this decision? That would be a position I could respect. I cannot respect the insulting manipulations.
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    Scouting Magazine - betting the farm on girls

    If Surbaugh wanted to be honest (not lie), he could at least acknowledge that this was a divisive decision driven by declining membership rather than hiding behind an insulting and manipulative survey. Wouldn't some honest discussion coming from the top be refreshing for a change?
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    Scouting Magazine - betting the farm on girls

    Surbaugh lies by claiming popular support while completely ignoring huge resistance. It's no more complicated than that.
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    Scouting Magazine - betting the farm on girls

    I never said "all lies". Surbaugh is lying when he claims popular support drove the girl decision while conveniently ignoring huge resistance. Sure. What's your point?
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    Scouting Magazine - betting the farm on girls

    Claiming popular support does not make it so. Five years should be enough time for the dust to setting on the LDS exit and judge whether Surbaugh was the savior or the executioner of BSA. I am not optimistic. BSA's current membership is not robust enough to survive another disaster like the Improved Scouting Program of the 1970s.
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    Scouting Magazine - betting the farm on girls

    What you see depends on where you sit. I see exactly the opposite from my vantage point. I know of many Scouting families adopting a "get done and get out" strategy.
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    Scouting Magazine - betting the farm on girls

    Yes - we would all like to see the data. But even if released, the survey was crafted to be so manipulative, designed to elicit only one response - any data from a survey like that would be pointless, in all reality. Can you at least give me room for rage over such an insulting process?
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    Scouting Magazine - betting the farm on girls

    As I said above, the backing of a loud minority does give one claim to popular support.
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    Scouting Magazine - betting the farm on girls

    And I'm getting more than a little tired of BSA National claiming popular support for a divisive decision when they crafted a manipulated survey and distributed it selectively and won't reveal the results. Even in the non-LDS Scouting community, support is spotty at best. The backing of a loud minority does give one claim to popular support.
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    Scouts BSA Handbook for Girls?

    I am ready to criticize BSA National about many things, and I detest the decision about girls in Scouting. But I will defend separate handbooks. I support as much separation as possible.
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    Scouts BSA Handbook for Girls?

    Different handbooks with different numbers. Scouts Handbook for Boys, No. 34462 Scouts Handbook for Girls, No. 39006
  16. The Eagle Scout participation requirement is not being ignored. Eagle has been a long-term goal for them. To meet Eagle requirement #1, they would insist that they had six good active months shortly after becoming Life but not so much recently.
  17. Interesting point. I'm reminded that the Scoutmaster conference can be held at any time while working toward the new rank, and it doesn't need to be the last requirement satisfied before a board of review is held. Would your troop would make an exception to provide alternate arrangements for a Scoutmaster conference if a Scout found himself up against a deadline (six months before turning 18, for instance)?
  18. Adding requirements like that is obviously wrong, but I can sympathize with what this troop might be trying to do (encouraging activity by older Scouts). Right objective, wrong implementation. We have a troop of 30 boys (about half are age 11-13 and half are age 14-17). All the older Scouts are grouped into one large patrol. The lives of these older teens get so busy, and we rarely see them on a troop campout or other Scouting activities. I remind those still working toward Eagle that real activity in the troop is requirement #1, and I challenge them to attend at least one campout a year (not setting a high bar). But that counsel never seems to translate to actual campout attendance. I have also urged their Patrol Leader to organize their own separate patrol campouts, to no avail. This is a point of frustration (for more than just our troop).
  19. No need. The church is rather good at program development. I expect to see greater emphasis on spiritual development. Less emphasis (elimination) of badges and awards. I’ll be very surprised if a heavy outdoor component (including frequent camping) is not included. Or I may be completely wrong. We all have plenty of time to speculate about the unknown, as details of the replacement youth program likely won’t be unveiled until late 2019.
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    Eagle Reference Letters

    I routinely sit on EBOR panels for our district. To my knowledge, the references listed on the Eagle application are never contacted for further feedback.
  21. Correct. For me that will be a hard habit to break on this forum. Thanks for the reminder.
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    Another view of the LDS split

    My father-in-law is a huge long-time Scouter (past council president even). Because our LDS troop is functioning so well, he has talked of continuing it intact under a different CO (he was even willing to do the legwork to find the new CO and an alternate meeting location). I doubt he will get traction - especially for the necessary adult leadership to staff an independent troop. I told him to count me out - I won’t continue as Scoutmaster under that scenario. Absent BSA’s girl decision, I likely would have supported the idea. Scouting has been a truly fantastic ride, but it will be time for me to move on when the church exits 12/31/19. Because of BSA’s girl decision, the program is lost in my eyes.
  23. I may be wrong, but I think they are referring to Scouting units chartered by the LDS church (CoLDS = Chartering Organization LDS). I think.
  24. For many decades, the Scouting program was a wonderful fit for LDS boys. It is BSA - not the church that has changed in its values and focus. Thus, the program is not the great fit now that it was for so very long. It makes many of us LDS Scouters and Scouting families very sad. Watch this inspiring video produced by the church just a few years ago to commemorate the 100 year partnership between LDS and BSA. Then tell me that Scouting was never a great fit.
  25. Certainly no church prohibition for girls in BSA. The church does not prohibit participation in GSUSA, either. Sunday collisions with scheduling of Scouting events in a non-LDS troop may surface as an issue, however. Our son avoids many sports teams for the same reason. But that is a separate issue that affects both girls and boys. Boys are different than girls - period. Boys learn differently and develop differently than girls - period. If this is not obvious, then let's just end the discussion here. My son faces this reality on a daily basis at school where his behavior and performance is constantly held up to the girl standard. In Scouting, he was free to be a boy among boys - but no more starting February 2019. BSA is not proposing a single-gender program. Except for an individual unlinked troop, every BSA program at the district, council, and national level will be co-ed. Tell me where is the single-gender program? Imagine next summer at BSA camps. You have 11-13 year old boys and 11-13 year old girls sitting in the same merit badge classes. Which group do you think will be focused and attentive, and which group do you think will be rowdy and distracted? As in school, the boys will come under that same spotlight and questioned about why they can't behave like all those wonderful girls. Unlike school, the boys have an easy option to quit a Scouting program that it is no longer tailored to their needs. How is this not obvious to everyone? I will exit Scouting with the LDS church, so my opinions are not important for BSA's future - not worth the energy to argue these points.
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