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It has been a few years since I was involved at the Cub Scout level, so things may have changed... but back then, the training for the Webelos den leader didn't exactly prepare them. The problem I see is that unless the leader has been involved with Boy Scouts previously as a youth, or has had a child in Boy Scouts, they just don't know what Boy Scouts is. Hard to transition boys to a program that you know nothing about! The Webelos program itself was not geared towards transition either when my son went through. The Outdoorsman Activity is the only one that I remember that encourage

Have you spoken with your Scout Master about this? Is he advising you to do the form?

No, the beneficiary is doing the fundraising. They set up the website, not the scout. They collect funds, not the scout.

We obviously have that as well. My point is that even though it is a NSP, they have an older boy that joins their patrol to be their patrol leader and teach them their basic scouting skills. Our Instructors lead demonstrations at the troop level, where our Troop Guides are directly tied to the first year patrols.

I like the idea of NSPs... and how it was implemented in our troop. Although I can see where you might say it is Cub Scoutish... maybe what Webelos should be. We do have an ASM that is assigned to work with the first year scouts specifically, and once a month they have a first year meeting or outing to work on requirements. But we also have a Troop Guide that is assigned as their patrol leader to teach them scouting skills on campouts. When a boy in the group reaches First Class, he is made the Patrol Leader and the Troop Guide takes a step back. He still helps and guides, but now that NS

If we aren't going to follow the process, then why have the process at all? The Eagle Scout Project should be complete and signed off before the EBOR... It's a done deal at that point. Questions on fundraising should have been asked and answered during the proposal phase. This is why so many say that the paperwork is too complicated... because too many insist on taking extra steps just in case. Read the doc, follow the instructions...

Good point!

I get what you are saying... but as the Eagle mentor, I would have gone over his head and removed that roadblock. The Eagle candidate has enough on his plate without having someone add to the requirements.

I agree with this. With my own son, he was on the fast track as well... He earned Life Scout in just over 2 years and 6 months. There was not an intentional push by his mother or I, but he was afforded many opportunities to complete merit badges in the first troop he was in. I told him that we were going to slow him down on advancement... I didn't want to see Eagle until he was in high school. I was afraid he might "Eagle Out" before he was even old enough to do high adventure! I didn't want him to participate less, just get his focus off of advancement. So, the first Summer Camp af

The instructions clearly state that if the beneficiary is doing the fundraising, then the form is not needed. Requiring the form when not needed is adding an additional requirement and is a waste. My son's Eagle Project was similar, with all material for the project being provided by the beneficiary through a grant that they received. No fundraising form needed, and no one questioned it at all.

Why would you advise him to fill out the form and send it in if it is not needed? The beneficiary is doing the fundraising.

Agree... I think some are seeing "Family Scouting" and interpreting as "Family Camping"... Which I hope it does not turn into! The way I see it is that "Family Scouting" is about branding. Cub Scouts and Boy Scouts have been male only, but we are now allowing girls to join so we need to change the brand and perception from male only to all inclusive. The infographic is interesting that it shows the coed Pack as the "Family" choice, because both male and female siblings can join the same pack.. thus "Family Scouting". At the time, the pitch was separate but equal at the troop level

So, in that chart, where it says 6-10 yrs old, and it says Boys Cub Scouts... Is family not allowed there? Think about for a second. If your interpretation is that this is about "family camping", what would be new there? Family camping has always been part of Cub Scouting. There is a difference between "family camping" and "family scouting". The new part is including girls... giving families more options under the BSA umbrella.

Dude... Go look at the Family Scouting page https://www.scouting.org/familyscouting/ Family Scouting is basically the catch all phrase that BSA has put on their programs that are open to all members of the family now. Even in the document that you are pointing to, it says "Family Cub Scouts Boy Dens & Girl Dens". Now look to the left of that box and the says "Boys Cub Scouts", and to the right of the Family Box there is a box that says "Girls Cub Scouts". These are the Packs that will not be coed... Do you think these packs will not include families? Are only coed units "

"Anecdotally mentioned"? It is the very first question and answer in the FAQ of "Family Scouting". BSA has made the push to add girls to the program under the umbrella of "Family Scouting"... It doesn't mean that the family will necessarily tag along on campouts, but that there is now a program open to everyone in the family within BSA.

I don't think the impact will be quite the same at the Cub Scout level. I am referring to the change at the Troop level, as I believe most others are as well. Cub Scouts is very different from Boy Scouts.

Why would it be addressed in the "Family Scouting FAQ" if it is not part of the "Family Scouting" idea?

If the boys who are current members do not support that change but it is pushed upon them anyway, yes, it does equal telling them to get lost. Have you spoken with any boys on this matter? Every boy I have spoken to has asked "Why don't they just fix Girl Scouts?". The boys I have spoken with do not support this change at all.

First question and answer on the "Family Scouting FAQ"... https://www.scoutingnewsroom.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/Family-Scouting-FAQ.pdf Family Scouting FAQ Q: What decision did the BSA make regarding girls’ involvement in the organization? Starting in 2018, families can choose Cub Scouts for their sons and daughters, enabling them to take advantage of the life-changing experiences provided through Scouting. A program for older girls will be announced in 2018 with projected implementation in 2019 to deliver the Boy Scout program to girls, allowing for participating girls to ear

Who are the "people" who have handed you money? And how much? If it was your parents, relatives, or members of your unit then you wouldn't need the application. But if it is friends from school, that may muddy the waters a little bit... get with your coach, see if your council has a limit that must be exceeded before the fundraising application is required.

Agree... as long as the beneficiary set up the website and the funds are going to an account handled by the beneficiary. If this is how it is being handled, the Scout is not actually doing any fundraising (even though they may be promoting the website). It appears as if the beneficiary is providing all materials required, and the Scout is providing the leadership and labor for the project.

Welcome!

What are you calling "Family Scouting"? because the push to bring girls into the BSA is what BSA is calling "Family Scouting", and it is most certainly being applied at the troop level.

What about troops who want to remain all male, even if girls are interested? From what has been stated officially, girls and boys programs will be separate. If that changes to where troops can be coed, should councils support troops who want to remain male only? I ask because of the culture of my son's troop. SM and ASMs were all male. No females allowed on camping trips. And while some say this is sexist, we (my son, my wife, and I) found it to work best. In his previous troop where females could be leaders and attend outings, we had the issue of helicopter parents and no patrol me

It's not for me, but I could see some aged out Scouts registering as adults to go play for the weekend!