Eagle91

Greater Hudson Valley Council is selling Camp Nooteeming.

https://www.ghvbsa.org/blog/2021/12/04/bankruptcy-update-board-desicion/?fl_builder

1 minute ago, CynicalScouter said:

You don't.

Contact your Scouting professional. BSA's official stance and policy is you do NOT want to play guessing games and the single, sole source for this information is a scouting professional. As SOON as you find yourself with a transgendered scout, you MUST contact the professional.

That said, and this is NOT advice and NOT meant to contradict BSA policy, but what I have been told (again this is rank rumor so PLEASE contact your professional given the legal and other ramifications of this) is that a scout will be treated as they are identified on their application. There literally is no way in the recharter system to change genders. Thus if a child wishes to change how they self-identify they will need to do a new application.

Agreed, it gets very very complicated, and while I'm not a fan of Coed troops, it certainly would solve this problem...  OK, if and when this situation presents itself, I'll loop in the pros.  

Thanks All...

E91

35 minutes ago, malraux said:

Gender is whatever the youth puts on the application, ie identified gender.

edit for link: https://www.scoutingnewsroom.org/press-releases/bsa-addresses-gender-identity/

jeez...how did I miss that??

Thank you!

Although, it does raise another question.  Given today's gender fluidity, and the fact that the scouts in my troop fill out applications once when they join, how do we address this at recharter?  Is the unit expected to verify gender prior to recharter?  Or do units collect new applications?

Or getting right to the point, if a scout who previously registered as a boy in a boy troop decides to identify as a female they need to find and register in a girls troop?

-E91

Morning everyone,

I understand that as of today, BSA troop membership is based on gender with separate troops for boys and girls.    Has anyone seen or received any guidance from National or their local council as to what defines gender?  Is it the scout's gender at birth or their identified gender?  I realize I posted this question in the politics forum, but I'm really just wondering if there has been any official policy decision.  

Personal beliefs or opinions aside, as a scoutmaster in a very liberal part of the country, I'd like to be prepared for when this situation arises (and I believe it will shortly).

-E91

Mods... if this is not posted in the correct subforum, feel free to move.

Greater Hudson Valley Council.  Three (out of four) council properties listed for sale. 

https://www.cushmanwakefield.com/en/united-states/properties/for-sale/special-use/ny/stony-point/17-franck-road-stony-point-new-york-10980/k26071k26071-s#gallery

1 hour ago, RandomScouter said:

Yeah, NYS tends to have very stringent guidelines and regulations for summer camps.

Have they said anything about vaccines and/or testing for campers?

Yes,  Proof of Vaccination or a Negative test taken within 72 hours of arrival at camp.  It's all covered in the 23 pages provided by NYS.  

We haven't received specific guidance from our council yet, but I can't imagine it being any different than what NYS has decreed.  Very frustrating...the guidance does not specifically require vaccinations for staff...my council executive (who I've spoken to several times today) appears to be taking the easy way out and making it mandatory.

DK

Edit:  My son also tested positive for Antibodies recently (both my wife and I had Covid and recovered)...there is no allowance in the NYS guidance for those with antibodies. 

I'm guessing you don't live in NY then.  Be thankful.  The NYS guidelines for camps (which exceed those provided by the CDC) call for weekly testing of staff if they are exposed to more than one cohort or leave camp for any reason (pg 18 of the guidelines).  Rather than provide the testing, our council is simply making vaccinations a condition on employment.

Guidelines here if anyone is interested: https://www.governor.ny.gov/sites/default/files/atoms/files/Child_Care_Daycamps_Detailed_Guidelines.pdf

After reading the guidelines, i don't see how a scout camp can function in NY...at least not like any other camp I've ever been to.

-DK

Morning everyone,

Is anyone else's council mandating summer camp staff be vaccinated as a condition of employment?  My son and daughter were just notified about this requirement last night. 

We're in NY.  Greater Hudson County Council.

-DK

On 1/29/2019 at 3:13 PM, mrkstvns said:

Best of luck, Eagle91!

Just curious...does "non-linked" mean that your CO has no boys-only troop under its auspices?

That's correct.  In my neck of the woods there are a number of existing Troops (5 in the immediate area), but none fall under our CO.  Our CO does however have a cub scout pack.

While "linking" to my son's troop would have certainly been easier (and I think the CO would have supported it), the scouts there are overwhelmingly against having girls in the BSA in general, and most certainly against sharing meeting space.  Rather than force it, I feel being non-linked gives these girls the best chance for success without having to worry about ruffling any feathers...Little extra work on my end, but I'm happy to add to that 1 hour a week

That being said, i think all units are eventually going to be co-ed, you just have to give everyone time to adjust...

-Dave

Hello Everyone,

Been reading these forums for a while now, figured it was time I signed up.  After stints as a Cubmaster,  and Assistant Scoutmaster, I'm currently my oldest son's troop committee chair (newly appointed), and my younger son's den leader.    

-Dave