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Posts posted by Hawkwin

  1. 1 hour ago, swilliams said:

    Oh, one more part of this is that dad is an ASM

    Might start there.

    And, as an ASM, that dad should have known the suspicion this was going to create and should have discussed with you in advance. Additionally, many of those MBs, like Cooking, should be verifiable from other sources. Such as, did the scout do the required cooking on a campout? That should be verifiable without the need to confront the scout or the ASM.

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  2. 16 hours ago, Eagledad said:

    This isn’t new, scouts have used family members since the program started.

    Did not suggest it was new. I was referring to the fact that the verbiage of the GBA sets up a potential conflict with no clear resolution. "Scouts must be allowed" and  "leader is permitted to place a limit..." Seems like there should be some clarification as to final authority to reduce the need for have discussions that would otherwise require a delicate approach.

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  3. 4 hours ago, Treflienne said:

    However, in situations where a Scout is earning a large number of badges from just one counselor, the unit leader is permitted to place a limit on the number of merit badges that may be earned from one counselor, as long as the same limit applies to all Scouts in the unit.

    That is an interesting restriction in light of the explicit allowance that states a scout may work with any MBC of their choice in the prior sentence. How to square that circle?

    "Lacking agreement, the Scout must be allowed to work with the counselor of his or her choice, so long as the counselor is registered and has been approved by the council advancement committee."

    I could see this as a potential issue where a parent or guardian is a MBC and assists their scout with multiple MBs. Seems like in such a situation, it would be incumbent on the troop to find the scout an alternative which is not often easy.


  4. I had a similar issue. I could not figure out how to register someone for our troop and not pay for them if they are being registered and paid for via another troop. Our COR for example.

    I also had issues with the paper apps submitted not showing up and had to enter the individuals manually. In doing so,  I also found a fault in the tool that allowed me to manually enter a fictitious date for YPT (you have to enter the date for anyone not already in the system and I put in placeholder dates simply so I could advance the tool and come back later with valid dates) and once you enter a date, the training website will now reflect that as the official date, even if the official date is also listed there.

  5. 100% agree. Language matters, especially in this context.

    My daughter is a member of both organizations and we certainly stress language at home. We don't accept "can't." I constantly say "you are capable." Things might be difficult but that doesn't mean that you lack the capability to do it.

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  6. Not a 100% solution but there are a number of tools parents can use to monitor internet usage, both in the home and on personal devices like smart phones. We use Disney's Circle in the home to both limit the amount of time online and to restrict access to various sites. While it limits wi-fi access, it does not limit data access (but we can see that too).

    Doesn't keep them from accessing inappropriate sites or content when not at home but that was a problem long before the advent of the internet.

  7. On 12/12/2019 at 7:45 AM, qwazse said:

    Thirdly, she's right to be offended, but was slow to react.

    Are you really suggesting a qualifying timeline to her reaction, as if she took too long then his behavior was less offensive or that she would somehow be less entitled to be outraged?


    On 12/12/2019 at 7:45 AM, qwazse said:

    If I were his CC, I'd ask the guy to have a sit down with the scout moms and let them know that they can call him on any other fast-and-loose behavior.

    So by implication, if he didn't misbehave, then they could't call him out? You would be basically admitting to those moms that this guy is a potential risk so if/when he misbehaves, you should be prepared... You certainly are not having this conversation about what to do regarding any other leaders that have not demonstrated poor behavior.

    I think I would find another pack if you told me that - and report the CC to the district and council.

  8. On 12/10/2019 at 10:14 AM, elitts said:


    @Hawkwin Check out Hikerdirect.com

    Basically you can buy anything that Alps Mountaineering, Browning, Cedar Ridge at 45% off or more.

    That is what the SM ended up doing. Bought 4 from Hikerdirect. We initially were looking at the Taurus but it sold out.

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  9. 20 hours ago, Eagle94-A1 said:

    Why is the committee involved in what type of tents to buy?

    Because we are all brand new and trying to figure this out on our own. Until the first response in this thread, I had not even considered that we could simply leave it up to the SM.

  10. I understand BSA does not give a lot of direction on this issue but I am trying not to recreate the wheel for our 1st year committee.

    When it comes to spending money on purchases, does your committee always vote? Our committee wants to buy some tents for our new troop for few hundred dollars. Trying to get us to decide on 2-3 tents is as hard as trying to get a bunch of scouts to decided on the same - too many options, too many opinions. As such, we are now weeks into discussion without new tents.

    For this and other items, how does your committee handle it? Does someone eventually just make the decision or are you able to come to consensus? I don't want to steamroll the other members but I also don't want paralysis by analysis.

    On a side note, know of any good tents for sale? 😵


    Ideally, we have them in hand a week from how for our COH.

  11. 13 hours ago, The Latin Scot said:

    But including girls in Scouting sends a message that boys and girls learn in the same way, and are for all intents and purposes identical.

    You mistakenly conflate the methods by which one learns as the same things as the topic being taught. Yes, people (let's acknowledge that not all boys or girls learn in the same way) have different methods by which they assimilate knowledge but none of that should have any bearing whether or not a person, should be taught how to tie a bowline knot or how to use a compass properly. BSA teaches life skills, not boy skills.

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  12. 13 hours ago, The Latin Scot said:

    The BSA, on the other hand, did not "stand on principle" - the very opposite - it changed and conformed and let itself be swept along by the tide of current social and political ideologies.


    What you call a rule change and not standing on principle, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints calls "Continuous Revelation."

    I'd call it changing with the tides. 

    LDS Church rule change on baptisms reverses 2015 'revelation' in midst of era of change



    The new rules for baptism involving same-sex families is a major shift for the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

    It was announced, along with other changes, first to a leadership group and then on MormonNewsRoom.org and is likely to have a long ranging impact.

    After what some called "The November policy" was announced in 2015, the organization found itself at odds with some of its members and others that called for more love and acceptance for those in the LGBTQ+ community.

    20 changes the new Mormon president has made to appeal to Millennials and Generation Z




    Ever since Russell M. Nelson took office in January of 2018, the changes have been coming fast and furious, and most of them are quite Millennial-friendly. Change is already happening.

    Here I give a quick list of 20 such changes that I think are helpful to young adults and teenagers, or at least not off-putting to them. At the end of the post I briefly discuss whether I think it’s enough to keep young adults in the Church. (Short answer: probably not.)



    One wonders what the reaction would have been if BSA Nationals said that god told them to make these changes.

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  13. 43 minutes ago, fred8033 said:

    The Jaycees.  ... What's sad is that the local Jaycee organization is now gone.  Was that due to the court ruling?  Or society trends?  Not sure.  


    The Jaycees case was different because they in fact already admitted women; but at a lower standard of [non-voting] membership - basically second class citizens/members. The Jaycees also treated older men the same way. The result of the case was that women would be able to seek full membership. I don't think it helped older men.

    I would imagine that if the Jaycees had completely excluded women, then the result of the case would have been different.

  14. 3 hours ago, walk in the woods said:

    Our rules are inconvenient to this family. 

    No, our rules are discriminatory to this family.

    Boys in scouting may be lead by two women or two men but girls in scouting require a registered female leader.

    Now, we are well within our right to discriminate in such a manner - nothing requires us to do otherwise, but with the need for 2-deep in most cases, it seems antiquated and unnecessary - and certainly a determent to BSAs desire to be welcoming to both genders..


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  15. 22 minutes ago, mrkstvns said:

    It might just be that our part of town is fairly affluent and "safe",

    Affluency and bullying (both the perpetrator and the victim) do not appear to be significantly negatively correlated.


    As far as it being justified? I think so. Teens currently have the highest rate of suicide in nearly 20 years (2000). It is the second leading cause of death for people 15-24. The opioid crisis likely impacts that stat but then so does cyber bulling. The idea that a bullying event can go viral and live forever online (much longer than the actual incident) is terrifying, not only for the kids impacted but probably for their parents as well.

  16. 21 minutes ago, desertrat77 said:

    Do scouts even read BL any more?  The youth are the intended audience but I don't hear the scouts speak of it.  Ever.  My Venturer would never look at it, and she's a certified bookworm and outdoorsy type. 


    Oddly enough, I think my daughter read my son's BL more when she wasn't a scout - but then, we don't get the magazine any more I think.

  17. Curious, I had assumed any and all temporary and otherwise non-uniform patches (like aquatics and equipment decorations) could be placed on the back of the merit badge sash but the above link would suggest otherwise.

    Anyone aware of something more recent or definitive? That was posted back in 2011 and last updated 2014.

  18. On ‎9‎/‎13‎/‎2019 at 1:04 PM, Pale Horse said:

    Thanks for your thoughts.  However there's a huge difference between "victimless crimes" like drinking and swearing in one's own home and mutilating an innocent child.

    See my previous post. There is no disputing that the FGM occurred, but it's technically not a crime.  I have a hard time getting past that.   Legal or not, it's Child Abuse.

    If it is legal, then how is substantively different than what we often do to boys? Is that not also form of mutilation (but with obviously less severe consequences)?

    Certainly not defending FGM. I think it is horrid, but I don't imagine this doc is going to be actively involved in trying to do such while on a camp out. Also doesn't make what he did sexual abuse.

  19. JR ROTC can be much more difficult to get up and running vs Explorers - and it is far more geographically compact and restrictive since linked to specific high school attendance.

    These days, I can't imagine a new JR ROTC unit even being starting with such difficult requirements:


    Title 10, United States Code, section 2031 prescribes that no unit may be established or maintained at an institution unless 10 percent of the number of students enrolled in the institution who are in grades 9-12 or 100 students, whichever is less, are enrolled in the JROTC Program as Cadets.

    And, I believe that would be for just a SINGLE branch of the military whereas Explorers is "non-denominational" so to speak.

  20. On ‎9‎/‎5‎/‎2019 at 8:32 PM, malraux said:

    In 2018, the organization began allowing girls to join the previously all-male Cub Scouts, for children in kindergarten through fifth grade. At that time about 20 girls joined Cubs in the Salt Lake Valley.

    Keep in mind that in 2018 (and probably at the time this article was referencing), just the early adopter program was up and running in the beginning. My daughter was the ONLY cub in our entire district to my knowledge - and we had to go to a different district to find a single pack that was even participating in the program at that time (we had none in our district) - and oddly enough, one of our three was an LDS girl from yet ANOTHER district.

  21. 28 minutes ago, mrkstvns said:

    Trails End got hacked

    Your link doesn't say that. Having data potentially exposed is not the same as hacked. There was no mention of any malicious attempt which would suggest hacking.

    28 minutes ago, mrkstvns said:

    and the media is reporting that exposed data includes personally identifiable info like kids' birthdays, full legal names, names of parents, addresses and more. The extent of the data breach has not yet been made public.

    I think exposing the DOB, email, and phone number might be of biggest concern. Per your link, this vulnerability was through the sharing portion of the sales app. In other words, one became vulnerable when one posted their sale online. It is fair to assume that when I did that for my daughter, my name and her name were already shared.

    28 minutes ago, mrkstvns said:

    If you are one of the scouters who let their kids use the popcorn sales app, keep an eye open for signs of identity theft, etc.  No need to become a victim twice if you can avoid it...

    Phishing attempts (again, per your link) via email and or phone calls would be of the greatest concern - attempts to get MORE information that could then lead to identity theft. I don't think one can do much scamming with just someone's DOB and full name. 'Could be wrong.


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