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  1. I don’t doubt there were complaints complaints (just go to powwows.com forums and search on Boy Scouts or Order of Arrow).  Instead of outright banning the ceremony I wish they setup some rules or guidelines along the lines of working with a tribe.  

    There is very little taught about NA culture in our school systems.  OA and aspects of Boy Scouts should be used to teach accurate aspects of their culture (both past and current).  If a OA chapter doesn’t want to be part of this... no problem.  But if an OA chapter and tribe work together, it would be a powerful experience.

    My limited OA experience along with several experiences in BSA exposed me to NA culture much more than any other aspect in my life.  I’m not an expert and there were probably some errors but it did make me more of a knowledgeable advocate of Indian Affairs.  My college had an Indian Mascot.   I was told by friends and college officials that the dance and “costume” were authentic.  Upon first glance of the “dance” I could see it was pure Hollywood and the costume was nothing I saw at local powwows... it was Sioux.  I marched in protest of that mascot as my BSA and OA background helped teach me respect for NA.  OA and BSA may not be perfect... but I do see the NA representation as a benefit to both youth and NAs if done correctly.  I wish and hope they find a balanced approach going forward 

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  2. 7 minutes ago, NJCubScouter said:

    In the Cub Scouts?  As a Bear?  I know there have been numerous changes in the Cub Scout program since I left it when my son crossed over (2003) but is that what the Cub Scout program is now?  We had 2 family camping trips a year plus the kids could go to the council-run summer day camp.

    It varies a lot.  We have 5 family trips planned this year plus a council run day camp.  Some are camping, others are overnights.  In previous years we had 2 but have slowly built up to 5.  In my area you’ll see anywhere from 1 to 6 based on discussions with other Packs.  Den meeting frequency varies as well ... from weekly to 1 per month.  

  3. BSA just past the 10,000 mark for girls in Cub Scouts with nearly 4,000 Webelos.  It will be interesting to see these numbers after fall recruiting when most Packs add new members.  Will update if I see more numbers in October.  That will be the interesting one.

  4. Packs are being told that boy and girl dens can meet at the same time and place.  Many in both the volunteer and professional ranks know the current idea of having 10-12 new leaders to cover all grade levels won’t happen at most of any Pack. In addition, having 5th grade girls have co den meetings with Lions or Tigers is a farce.   We tried it this Spring and while functional... it didn’t feel like true Den meetings.

    In my Pack, we left it up to den leaders and families of those dens if they want girl and boy dens to meet together or separate.  100% of our 12 den leaders voted to have boy and girl dens meet together.  We sent this out to the Pack and asked for comments... no one objected and we only received positive feedback.  (I know... I sound like National now).  

     So, our boy and girl dens will meet together.... so it will look very much like coed dens.  My unit commissioner is 100% supportive and my DE only asked to make sure there is some separation during the meeting (have the girls and boys in different groups)... which seems to happen naturally anyway.  While we are meeting the rules of BSA we won’t look that much different than @oldbuzzard ‘s Pack.  Perhaps oldbuzzard is being more Trustworthy than BSA’s current policy (which is claiming separate boy/girl dens that can meeting together and to an outside observer look and function like coed dens).  

  5. Is everyone checking with their feeder packs on their plans & if they have 5th grade girls?  My one concern is that Packs add 5th grade girls but don’t have a feeder Troop ready by crossover.  That would be a tough situation.

    My Troop seems to be prepping to add girls and has talked about a recruiting campaign at the Middle School.  We will see how many are interested.

  6. Is this really a problem that must be solved?  Has there been Tigers shooting themselves or others?  Now our local Cub Scout camps don’t allow Lions or Tigers (too young) so it won’t impact us much if any directly, but my biggest concern is this is now another new rule that someone will have to track and enforce.  If this wasn’t causing a problem then why add the rule. I have faith the range masters were able to make the call if a particular Tiger was too young or immature.  

  7. Talking with parents, concussions are definitely hurting football enrollment but not soccer.  Football in our area is having trouble fielding full teams.... 

    Sports specialization is starting incredibly young.  When I was a kid you played rec sports until Junior High when travel would start.  Even then, you could be a multi sport athlete rather easily.

    As a parent I have seen the changes.  Travel soccer starts at 6.  With my son I resisted the change (and he wasn’t that into soccer).  By 8 all of the talented players (and coaches) were in select and we were left with parents yelling at kids whose only focus is keeping score and they provided no instruction on how the game should be played (in part because soccer is not that popular as a professional sport).  He hated it and we dropped out.  The rec league pretty much ends at 10 anyway... since everyone drops by then.

    We just signed our daughter up to a full year soccer select club ... at 6.  She likes soccer and the instructors are great.  Itis expensive and we are concerned with burnout; however, we know that keeping her in rec leads to no skill progress and dropout anyway.

    While this is an issue the other issue is there is no way we can also sign her up for another sport as select soccer is all year.  In addition it competes with time for scouts, music and just open play.  

    Scouts has some tough competition for kids’ time, but their program is unique.  They should focus on their volunteers and make sure they understand what they need to succeed.  

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  8. Cub Scout camps... several of our scouts have started attending various council camps over the last several weeks.  None of the camps have all girl dens.  If girls are present they are simply integrated into the Boy dens.  This is probably due to the limited number of girls (1-2 per Den) and lack of volunteers.  I would have made the same call, but it does put the whole notion that this will not be coed into question as Packs will see similar numbers for the first year or two. 

     It will be interesting to see how they run them next year when more girls are present.

  9. 20 hours ago, NJCubScouter said:

    By the way, I do understand that "change management" is the management of "change", I just never saw or heard it as a phrase before.  It seems kind of unnecessary to me, as "management" includes the management of "change."  But whatever.  My profession is fairly resistant to new business-management buzzwords, we prefer to use buzzwords that were invented in England 400 or 500 years ago.  :)

    If you think of the politicians as the “corporation” and new laws as the “change” I do believe change management applies.  If politicians do not utilize change management principals they will run into major issues after passing laws.  (Note that I would never equate lasers with politicians.) 😀

    CAP (change acceleration process) has some decent techniques.  

    I think the lack of trust (probably most earned) with Nationals is causing much of the problem.  In addition, I don’t see National’s recognizing the lack of quality volunteers as a major issue and designing this change with that in mind.

  10. The BP Northwoods experience for Camp Lefeber ended after the summer of 2016... so it lasted 1 summer after the council shutdown the camp.  I am curious what happened... was there not enough campers due to lack of affiliation with BSA?  

    In any case, given the drop in BSA numbers I’m not surprised to see camps close.  However, I’m not a fan of selling the land... you will never get it back.  If needed, close it and lease it to generate income (private/BSA combined camping, selective logging, farming, etc). Selling it gets you a 1 time large payment but you lose control of the land forever.   

    In the case just sited... the developer doesn’t know what he paid or what he will do with the land???  Wow.

  11. One could debate the sloppiness but the tent number is not clear so the job isn’t done.  I’d recommend you work with them on fixing the issue with the scouts and let them know they should feel empowered to ask questions if something doesn’t look quite right.  Overall a good life lesson is awaiting them!

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  12. 5 minutes ago, MattR said:

    Okay, let's all step back a bit.

    When we start talking about liberals, Trump and Obama we're well past trying to come to agreement.

    The OP was about parents gaming the system to have their kid be the first female eagle. Here's a solution to that problem: Don't number the first 1000 female eagles. Oh, and call the parents on the obvious gaming.

    I think setting the date for the first female  Eagle BOR would make sense. Then Nationals should approve the first group of female Eagle Scouts on the same date.  

    I have no idea how they would handle someone who selected “boy” and is a current star scout and then selects “girl” on an application change Feb 1, 2019.  That will probably happen.  I would think Nationals should investigate those cases and take appropriate action if they lied on their original application.  As I mentioned, someone admitted to this in a FB comment that this was their plan. After being called out on this by some fairly senior volunteers the person stopped commenting.  I don’t think this will end well for those gaming the system. 

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  13. 3 minutes ago, Ranman328 said:

    When did the National Policy change?  All information we have received is that ALL units must take whatever is listed on the application at face value.  If it is a girl that says they are a boy, then you treat them as a boy and vice versa.  I have not received any information to contradict this nor has our DE?  Please provide me with the information you have so I can take that to our District Key 3.  Thanks






  14. 1 minute ago, David CO said:

    That would be nice, but it is not what I am asking for. I would like BSA to stop trying to brainwash our kids into thinking that is right to do wrong.

    I don’t think BSA is doing that as they still allow COs to make the call.   You have your freedom to teach you kids your beliefs regarding gay and transgender scouts. And while BSA continues to allow COs to discriminate against transgender and gay scouts,  I can continue to teach my own kids that discrimination against LGBTQ is not appropriate.  I don’t see BSA taking sides on this one... they are letting COs to determine what is appropriate for their own scouts.

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  15. To be clear there will be an issue BSA will have to address. The first “girl” Eagle Scout.  There was a FB post where a parent registered his daughter as a boy.  It sounds like she doesn’t identify as a boy but the parent selected this to get her into Boy Scouts.  Now when girls are allowed it they may change her to a girl (or that is her plan).  So now “she” can be well ahead of other girls in scouting.

    I think BSA should simply come out with a date for first girl Eagles so this behavior/dishonesty is not awarded... but I do see this as an infrequent issue coming.


  16. 35 minutes ago, Jameson76 said:

    It's amazing isn't it that someone (gotta be gender neutral here)

    under 18:

    • Cannot enter into a contract, buy a drink, own a gun, rent a car, rent a hotel room, serve in the military, vote

    under 16:

    • Cannot drive a car, fly unaccompanied, must attend school, be out after certain hours alone, get married (depends on state)

    All of this is because we as a society have concluded that at these young ages, they may not have the needed maturity and life experience to be fully responsible for these decisions...YET when it comes to gender identity, let it roll, they can decide away.  If one questions this, you are are discriminatory


    This assumes gender identity is a choice.  While I 100% agree that nothing permanent should be done for children under 18, I don’t agree that gender identity or sexual orientation is a choice. I didn’t choose to be heterosexual or identify as a male.   I’ve met transgender teens and I can tell you their life is not easy.  If it was a choice I believe they would definitely not choose to be transgender... they simply are.  

    I think our understanding of the brain is in its infancy.  Add in epigenetics and impact on fetal development from the chemical environment of the amniotic fluid and we are only at the beginning of understanding human development.


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  17. 23 minutes ago, 69RoadRunner said:

    I don't think having 2 boy troops under the same CO makes sense so why would having 1 boy and 1 girl troop under the same CO make sense?

    If a CO chooses to add a girl troop and transfers half of the boy troop's money and gear over to the girl troop, don't you think that's going to create a lot of resentment?

    No, because most linked Troops would only need about 10% of the equipment and a Scout is helpful.

  18. Cascade Pacific Council has hired a Family Scout Director.  They have a plan to create 50 Girl Troops by Feb 1.  From what I can tell, the council is really focusing on the strategy and plan to add volunteers and help COs prepare for this change.  The councils that really take the lead and help COs navigate these waters will do well. The councils who don’t may have a mess on their hands.

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  19. 9 minutes ago, Eagle94-A1 said:

     At least it isn't as bad as the new CS handbooks. Unless someone screwed up the document released yesterday. The doucment published yesterday shows the Cub Scout Ranks Diamond has been reordered. Bobcat is in the Tiger/Webelos Spot, Tiger is in teh Wolf spot, and Wolf is in the Bobcat spot.  

    My understanding is that the handbook is correct but the FAQ that went out about Family Scouting was wrong.  I’ve seen screen shots of both.  

  20. I’ve seen and heard of units like this before.   I rarely would recommend lone scouting.... but that would be better than this.  Document and report this Troop and get out.  The lessons he is learning are not good ones.  Ideally, find another Troop or even leave scouting completely if needed.

    “Summer Camp is supposed to be at least a little fun.”  Scouting should be a great time and memory for youth.  Yes, at times it is tough and during that time you many not think of it as fun, but most of it is and even the tough times end up being great lessons.  I see no benefit of your son continuing with this Troop based on what you summarized. 

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