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  1. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2018/11/03/hit-and-run-3-girl-scouts-1-adult-killed-wisconsin-crash/1880652002/ Not much to add, just sad to hear this news.
  2. GSUSA has now dismissed the Troop Leader for raising funds. Not sure why, but seems to be a policy violation. https://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/story/news/2018/11/19/green-bay-girl-scout-leader-dismissed-after-organizing-event-crash-victims/2060509002/
  3. Eagle1993

    Girl Scouts Suing the Boy Scouts

    I looked back at some of the Pepsi vs Coke lawsuits. Coke responded once that “... (it) seems as if Pepsi would prefer to fight in the courts rather than the marketplace.” While I don’t see this as a fight, GSUSA seems to, and instead of focusing inward to see why girls are not joining (or leaving) they are fighting in the media and court. That may work short term but long term parents and kids will find and choose the best fit for them (or none)... regardless of program names. BSA is offering refunds to any girls who joined Cub Scouts thinking it was Girl Scouts. Surbaugh also notes that Scouts BSA was intentionally chosen vs Scouts.
  4. Eagle1993

    Girl Scouts Suing the Boy Scouts

    Interesting NY Times article regarding the lawsuit. What I find interesting is that some GSUSA leaders are expressing frustration with their leadership not listening to the girls with GSUSA. https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/09/us/girl-scouts-sue-boy-scouts.html
  5. Eagle1993

    Girl Scouts Suing the Boy Scouts

    According to the video, BSA would be liable. For example, Pack xyz sent our flyer that includes term “girls scout”. Is sounds like GSUSA would have to prove damages from that specific flyer and BSA would be liable. For a single unit flyer, What are the damages ... 1-3 lost members? $60? I think that is the point the lawyers were making as to why cease and desist letters make sense. At least that is how I interpreted their video.
  6. Eagle1993

    Girl Scouts Suing the Boy Scouts

    I also think the opinion of the ladies who join BSA would also be included in the equation, perhaps girl members of Venturing would have been a great group to ask. I don’t believe GSUSA should have the only and final input. They have made it clear they want nothing to do with BSA going forward. I’m sure their answer would be Backstabbing Scouts of America. I hope that is repaired long term but I don’t see a name conversation happening short term as it would appear that they are approving of this change.
  7. Eagle1993

    Girl Scouts Suing the Boy Scouts

    The 1 hour video above, by a Trademark attorney and a patent attorney seems to make clear the only thing GSUSA can enforce is the use of the term “Girl Scouts” or very similar “girl scout” or “girl ... scout”. They seem to indicate that scout is a generic term and no organization has the right to reserve a market for that term. There is no way to protect a market (for example, Apple cannot use Trademark laws to prevent other PC sellers to sell “computers” to girls). Just as GSUSA cannot use Trademark law to prevent BSA from selling scouting services to girls. They can be called scouts, just not “Girl Scouts”. In terms of the examples given, those that contain the word Girl Scout/s will be an issue and there could be some damages; however, they would have to prove the specific damages in those cases. In addition, the example of Juliette quote is not actionable (not a trademark and past Copyright age) and the Girl Scout mission (not trademark could be copyright) is minimally actionable. They saw no way for Girl Scouts to block Scouts BSA or Scout Life Trademarks. In addition they raved about BSA actions to date and claimed they are great in terms of legal impact. The damages should be minimal (they mentioned could be as low as $1). The video is long but informative. At one point they even looked at who (name of lawyer) wrote the complaint as they were surprised at some inconsistencies. One of the lawyers mentioned he was an Eagle Scout and loves the BSA so is biased. Will be interesting to have other lawyers input.
  8. Eagle1993

    Girl Scouts Suing the Boy Scouts

    @NJCubScouter Would be interested in your take. It seems like they believe BSA will win the big battle (the name Scouts BSA) but GSUSA may see some wins in damages (but they would have to prove them and these two expect they will be minimal). They called the BSA response “brilliant”, taking the high road and clarifying the brand do and don’ts. After listening to them I question several of GSUSA’s examples as they are not strong indicators of Trademark infringement (for example the quote from Juliette is no longer copyrighted due to age of the quote). Overall interesting take that seems to think that BSA has a strong case. That would make sense as I expect BSA lawyers were part of the name selection.
  9. Eagle1993

    Girl Scouts Suing the Boy Scouts

    I’ve never used the terms BSA or GSUSA with new parents. I say Cub Scouts and Girl Scouts. If parent is interested in scouting for little Sally I say, yep, she can join our Cub Scout Pack. I also say we have a great Girl Scout program at our school and if she is interested I can give you their contact info. Never had confusion after that.... and I will continue to help GSUSA regardless of some of their tactics.
  10. Eagle1993

    Girl Scouts Suing the Boy Scouts

    They are fighting the trademarks for both Scouts BSA and Scout Life and they want $.
  11. Eagle1993

    Girl Scouts Suing the Boy Scouts

    Finished reading that GSUSA guideline. I have no problem showing the uniform, emphasizing their unique brand, ensuring GSUSA money is spent on GSUSA events. Recruiting separate... sure. Many valid points. Telling a Troop of Girl Scouts that they can no longer participate in Scouting for Food because it is a BSA event crosses a line. It crosses the line of an organization more self interested in $ than doing service. I haven’t seen that and GSUSA in my area still does some joint BSA activities when it involves community service... I hope that remains.
  12. Eagle1993

    Girl Scouts Suing the Boy Scouts

    Found this to be interesting “Girl Scouts of the USA prohibits events co-sponsored or co- branded with the Boy Scouts.” “Do not participate in, allow, or promote any co-sponsored or co-branded events or programs that use either Girl Scouts’ name, logo, colors, or likenesses together with Boy Scouts. This includes long-standing events like Scouting for Food and Pine Car Derbies.” Yep... screw the hungry if Boy Scouts are involved. What a load of crap. My sympathy for GSUSA went down a few notches...
  13. Eagle1993

    Girl Scouts Suing the Boy Scouts

    https://scoutingwire.org/this-infographic-shows-the-right-way-to-refer-to-girls-who-will-join-scouts-bsa/
  14. Eagle1993

    Girl Scouts Suing the Boy Scouts

    most of the girls in my daughter’s school that are in GSUSA have no desire to do the outdoor program. They sign up for the STEM, arts and crafts aspect. Sure ... glamping is of some interest but definitely not HA. When signing up for summer camp the GSUSA camp about fashion was sold out and had a waiting list... that wasn’t the case for the more outdoor focused camps. I’m sure they will increase their outdoor offerings to help stem losses to BSA but from what I see on the ground at our school the actual Troops and girls will focus on STEM and arts/crafts and going to museums. Not sure about other schools.
  15. Eagle1993

    Girl Scouts Suing the Boy Scouts

    @Treflienne You are probably right. My only thought is that BSA will not drop the use of Scouts and in the end, even if they are forced to change to BSA Scouts instead of Scouts BSA the confusion will remain. I did notice that my daughter (who is in both) has been seeing a lot of language from GSUSA about the power of G.I.R.L.s. Emphasize on the girl vs scout. Perhaps they are looking for a payout while keeping the name unchanged.
  16. Eagle1993

    Girl Scouts Suing the Boy Scouts

    I wouldn’t be shocked if BSA/GSUSA settle and BSA helps fund a name change of GSUSA to Girl Guides USA. Regardless of the name BSA chooses there could be confusion and GSUSA will want to differentiate. Could be a big marketing refresh of their program and I don’t see BSA losing the term scouts. Who knows, will be interesting to watch.
  17. Eagle1993

    Girl Scouts Suing the Boy Scouts

    From FB Post The following is an official statement from the BSA's National Council. Please be aware that any comments to the media should be made by the National or local Councils only. If you receive any media inquiries, please route them to PR@scouting.org. “We just became aware of the lawsuit filed in the Southern District Court of New York, and we are reviewing it carefully. “Our decision to expand our program offerings for girls came after years of requests from families who wanted the option of the BSA’s character - and leadership-development programs for their children – boys and girls. We believe that we owe it to our current and future members to offer families the options they want.” “We applaud every organization that builds character and leadership in children, including the Girl Scouts of the USA, and believe that there is an opportunity for both organizations to serve girls and boys in our communities.” On background: • The Boy Scouts of America has served girls in our programs since 1971 through Sea Scouts, Venturing and Exploring; in fact, there are currently over 170,000 girls registered in Boy Scout of America programs. • In the time since we’ve welcomed both boys and girls in Cub Scouts, over 62,000 girls have registered underscoring families’ interest in the programs offered by the Boy Scouts of America. • We take the brand and trademark of all organizations seriously and have worked proactively to differentiate our unique program offerings. Any time we have been made aware of an instance of potential confusion around our programs, we immediately took steps to correct and clarify."
  18. Eagle1993

    Girl Scouts Suing the Boy Scouts

    I think some of the issue is local leaders and councils being “innovative”. See below for an image used in the lawsuit.... clearly not from Nationals as their online forms crash too quickly to take screenshots.
  19. Eagle1993

    Girl Scouts Suing the Boy Scouts

    All the issues GSUSA listed are prior to use of Scouts BSA. They know they can’t sue to block BSA from accepting girls so this is what they are left with. Will be interesting to see BSA’s response.
  20. @Hawkwin Posted as a comment to a private FB several weeks ago. Apparently all councils are now provided national breakdowns weekly. Your DE should be able to give you numbers.
  21. This is 2 weeks old... but is probably still directionally correct Rank. Council - Total Girls - Southern Region 1. Central Florida - 2,323 2. Circle Ten - 2,221 3. Atlanta Area - 1,549 4. Northeast Georgia - 1,185 5. Sam Houston Area - 1,108 6. Great Smoky Mountain - 720 7. North Florida - 709 8. Quapaw Area - 575 9. Heart of Virginia - 569 10. Last Frontier - 533 11. Alamo Area - 482 12. Flint River - 479 13. Capitol Area - 478 14. Greater Tampa Bay Area - 464 15. Longhorn - 461 16. Lincoln Heritage - 407 17. Palmetto - 324 18. Golden Spread - 297 19. Daniel Boone - 284 20. Northwest Georgia - 278 21. Indian Nations - 259 22. Westark Area - 246 23. Chattahoochee - 241 24. Piedmont - 238 25. Southeast Louisiana - 233
  22. Agreed. For those of us in the Midwest... we don’t have vast options of wilderness to choose from to really get away. BWCA is our Philmont/Sea Base/Summit. BWCA is our Rocky Mountains. BWCA is our Olympic NP. BWCA is our Acadia. I was always glad it wasn’t a NP as it helped keep vast hordes of tourists out... but now I wonder if that was a mistake. I’m sure there is a chance this could be done without damaging the environment but why risk it. We have enough copper and nickel to avoid mining this area.
  23. Eagle1993

    DE interference - not helping

    Agreed. When I hit the online recharter process it becomes a bit of a game of how to adjust my actual leadership structure into the BSA requirements. For example, I have a great den leader who is also Cubmaster. If I followed BSA I would either have a weaker Cubmaster or a weaker den leader. Yes, ideally I have competent parents tripping over themselves volunteering. I don’t, so we run the pack with the leadership we have (always looking for more), following YPT and adjusting our charter renewal to match requirements.
  24. Eagle1993

    Time to Go.

    Ahh.... that would be fun... which is why I write out some emails and just send them to the delete bin. 😀 Camping with a Troop is no longer required for scouting adventure or AOL. Only an outdoor activity. One could argue they didn’t follow the patrol method. However, if you did take that path I think it could make the situation worse as the existing leadership would point to a “disgruntled ex leader” and deflect blame. In the end, I see silently leaving as a louder statement. FYI.... not to derail this thread. With your Webelos den leader, parent, or guardian, participate in a Boy Scout troop's campout or other outdoor activity. Use the patrol method while on the outing.
  25. Eagle1993

    So I resigned as CM

    Sorry to hear how it finished but I agree it is better to leave a bit early than too late. Good to hear you had a replacement ready. Hey, as far as other things to do, Would you be interested in serving as a FOS Chair for another pack in your state?? 👍😀 Our committee meetings are at a German Bierhaus and we would cover the first round!
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