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  1. Eagle1993

    Scouting Magazine - betting the farm on girls

    There are a lot of people willing to spend countless hours complaining on Internet forums but when asked to actually help they disappear. However, there are also Districts who have internal politics (as @cocomax describes) and don’t do a great job of identifying talent to help.
  2. Who cares. There is nothing wrong being LGBTQ or staight. If a male is interested in males in high school but discovers they are interested in women in their 20’s what harm is caused? The only way this is “bad” is if you think being LGBTQ is sub optimal. I could care less. I don’t believe it is a sin, an affront to God or bad for society.
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    New Cubmaster with a co-ed pack

    I see no violation if you coordinate den meetings... see the FAQ below. The only ask by my council when I followed up is that the girls and boys should have some aspect of the meeting separate (for example if there are subgroups or teams the girls are on one). https://www.scouting.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/FAQ-Family-Program-061218-FINAL.pdf Q: Should dens for girls and dens for boys meet at the same time and place? It is up to the chartered organization and the pack or the den to decide meeting times and places. Q: Can separate boy and girl dens work on the same activity at the same time together? There is no set rule or guideline on this. If appropriate, this can be treated the same as two dens of the same gender working together. It will be up to the good judgement of leaders to decide what is best for their units. I don’t see a violation given these clarifications. As far as harming youth for our convenience..... My wife has worked (and is working) for private all girls schools and we have friends that work for a private all boys school. After our experiences we have all chosen to send our kids to coed schools. I don’t disagree that there are benefits but there are also issues in those schools and some negative impacts and on net we believe a coed experience in school is more beneficial. I see the same with scouting.
  4. Eagle1993

    Scouting Magazine - betting the farm on girls

    Exact opposite in my area. Most are against National’s half baked solution and are working to find legitimate ways to fully integrate.
  5. Eagle1993

    New Cubmaster with a co-ed pack

    What policy are they violating? National FAQs state boy and girl dens can meet together. I do agree the must follow YPT. It will be easier to follow with combined den meetings.
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    Scouts BSA Handbook for Girls?

    I think he wrote “separation” not “segregation”... reminds me of the SNL skit of too much violins on TV...😀
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    New Cubmaster with a co-ed pack

    Welcome! This is a great group with a diversity of opinions and a ton of experience. I know it’s a few years out for her, but if you know the Troop she would likely feed into (if it exists) I would recommend checking to see how they plan to run. If they plan on keeping the Troop meetings completely single gender then I would go with @qwazse‘s option B above. If they will have coed meetings and outings (as linked Troops) I would consider option A a bit more. I’m CC of an early adopter Pack with 10 girls. We had 1 girls den and while it was functional it didn’t work as well for us as the Boy’s dens as having Lions hang out with Bears was simply too much of an age gap. However, I know many packs that make the single school room den meetings work well. Given volunteer constraints and feedback from leaders (along with aligning with the future Troop plans) we have told our Den leaders they can use option A if they like. (Separate girl/boy dens for each grade that meet together.) If you are looking for more guidance there is a Facebook page (BSA Family Packs/Girl Troops) that provides guidance. Good luck!
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    Scouts BSA Handbook for Girls?

    I agree there have been a lot of changes and I have a lot of issues with with how they have rolled this program out. They made promises they never intended or could keep. 100% with you there. The YPT change is major and seems to be clearly impacted by adding girls. I think the membership fee increase is simply them trying to fill a budget hole But I just think sometimes a book is just a book. As long as the requirements stay the same I have no issues, in fact I support two different books. If they start reducing requirements for girls I’ll have a problem and I’ll jump on board that complaint train!
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    Scouts BSA Handbook for Girls?

    No. Nope. Sorry, wrong. The book is filled with gender pronouns and pictures of boys. Having a book in a different language or pictures of girls doesn’t change the program. If you show me that the girl book or the Spanish book has different requirements then you can make this point.
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    Scouts BSA Handbook for Girls?

    Venturing crews can be coed. There were complaints about the coed Cub Scout rank books were release that boy only packs now have books with girls. Now National releases a separate books and more griping. How much money on a book... hardly anything vs the dues of the girls coming in.
  11. Eagle1993

    Scouts BSA Handbook for Girls?

    Really??!?!? Are you serious? If they changed the Boy Scout book to add some pictures of girls and changed some pronouns you would have went nuts claiming they “changed the program”. They are adding a girls book with picture of girls and adding “she” instead of “he”. They did this in a separate book so they don’t upset the existing boys and their leaders... and that is now an issue? WOW! Perhaps we need to add trigger warnings to any BSA announcements going forward so existing leaders can go to their safe spaces prior to hearing such things like there is a scouts BSA book with pictures of girls or uniform pants that come out and are sized for girls. Oh, the humanity! 😀 There is a lot to complain about but having a separate book (as long as gender is the only delta) makes sense given how they are introducing the program as non coed.
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    Gender Identity Issue

    Ok... at some point you’ll probably (hopefully) talk with the parents. One topic of discussion I would have is regarding YPT. I do think there are legitimate questions on how to handle YPT policy with non binary youth. If a scout identifies as a boy (regardless of birth gender) we are to treat him as a boy. Again, if a youth identifies as a girl the same policy applies. That then applies to tenting and bathroom policies. I do question how we should handle YPT for a non binary youth and would look to the parents for their input. I honestly don’t know how I would handle that situation.
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    Gender Identity Issue

    I don’t believe they would do this directly, but would pull in the appropriate YP resources. If a child is telling a scout leader that they are having gender identity issues AND are unwilling to have that discussed with parents you have several options. 1) Grant their wish and don’t tell their parents. 2) Ignore their request and talk directly with their parents. 3) Escalate to BSA professionals (SE/DE/SCOUTS First) who can have professionals investigate prior to telling parents. I recommend #3 based on what I saw when I was a youth. Feel free to chose your own path.
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    Gender Identity Issue

    Im not saying ignore it, I said pull in your DE/SE or report it. I would expect the professionals would come in and review the situation to ensure the scout is not in danger or an abusive household. If it is determined that everything is ok at home after their investigation and professional review then no issue with telling the parents. Abuse at home is not always apparent and a scout who tells you they are having gender identity issues may be more likely to be abused. If they tell you not to tell their parents you should be seeking professional input.
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    Gender Identity Issue

    If a scout does not want their parents to know of this situation then a leader should pull in a professional scouter. This could be evidence of a scout who is in an abusive relationship at home (or many other reasons) and I wouldn’t expect any volunteer to have to navigate the situation. Ignoring a scout who tells you not to tell their parents and simply going over their head is irresponsible and possibly dangerous.
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    Gender Identity Issue

    There are definitely worse things than that and scouters should be careful to not self appoint themselves as Psychologists. No issue with discussions with the parents (if Scout is ok with that) and COR to ensure the unit can provide the scout a safe scouting experience.
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    Gender Identity Issue

    I would emphasize @Cambridgeskip point.... talk with the scout FIRST before telling the parents. If the scout is comfortable with a discussion with the parents... great! My guess is that is probably the case but it is good to check. If they tell you to not tell their parents, then pull in your DE/SE for support. You will need professional support. Some parents are NOT understanding and can be physically and emotionally abusive. If a scout believes he is safe confiding something to his Troop, goes home to find out a parent was told, and they beat the crap out of him it could be psychologically damaging. Again, that is probably not the case but I would recommend double checking first.
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    Only six months till girls in Scouts BSA.

    In our pack 60% of the girls that are joining come from families that did not have sons in the pack. Just one data point. I do think sisters will account for a lot, but I also see former Boy Scouts who only had daughters start to come back to the program. I still concur that there will be a volunteer shortage and why many linked Troops will act as coed.
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    10,000 Girl Cub Scouts

    Will be hard to measure due to LDS exit. You’ll have to look at councils with little to no LDS to see real impact. Note that BSA has been losing boys for 30 years. The real question is if the rate of loss of boys increases in non LDS councils. I’m not sure if it will and if that rate of loss increase will exceed the rate of additional girls. I also wonder, as @Eagledad mentioned,if the girls/parents who initially join now may push through program issues while eventually everything settles back on the actual program performance. It may take several years to really see the impact of all recent changes (YPT, G2SS, girls, etc).
  20. I have no problem requiring all parents who spend a week at summer camp to take a background check, but BSA should differentiate between parents that may be frequently around youth vs scout leaders. I would like to see a separate form that would allow a background check at no cost to the unit. No need to make up positions for these parents or have them take YPT or charge a fee for staying overnight at camp for a few days. I completely understand BSA requiring the background checks as state and local laws are being implemented left and right increasing the requirements. In addition, there have been a flood of lawsuits against various youth organizations. The judgement/settlements are massive.
  21. New Scouts BSA uniforms out for feedback at a Scout Shop..... https://m.facebook.com/NorWestSS/
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    10,000 Girl Cub Scouts

    That is true, but the vast number of packs that I am aware of do major recruiting drives in Aug - Oct. In addition, very few Packs were early adopters and that group ended with ~7k girls. At my District Meeting, most of the Packs decided to include girls. My pack was the only early adopter in the District. I would expect the 10k to increase substantially by October. As far as Troops, I do expect that DEs will be expected to ensure all girls have Scout units to transition to. They will have to act fast given the age of the girls. One interesting note from District Meeting was that some of the very anti girl SMs have decided to create linked units. I talked with one who is a very active scouter and wants to make sure it is done right. I agree the true early impact won’t be fully know until recharter. The 2018 annual report should tell us more.
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    NATIONAL POLICY: AOL and Crossover Ceremonies

    I don’t doubt there were complaints complaints (just go to powwows.com forums and search on Boy Scouts or Order of Arrow). Instead of outright banning the ceremony I wish they setup some rules or guidelines along the lines of working with a tribe. There is very little taught about NA culture in our school systems. OA and aspects of Boy Scouts should be used to teach accurate aspects of their culture (both past and current). If a OA chapter doesn’t want to be part of this... no problem. But if an OA chapter and tribe work together, it would be a powerful experience. My limited OA experience along with several experiences in BSA exposed me to NA culture much more than any other aspect in my life. I’m not an expert and there were probably some errors but it did make me more of a knowledgeable advocate of Indian Affairs. My college had an Indian Mascot. I was told by friends and college officials that the dance and “costume” were authentic. Upon first glance of the “dance” I could see it was pure Hollywood and the costume was nothing I saw at local powwows... it was Sioux. I marched in protest of that mascot as my BSA and OA background helped teach me respect for NA. OA and BSA may not be perfect... but I do see the NA representation as a benefit to both youth and NAs if done correctly. I wish and hope they find a balanced approach going forward
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    Can you not give it 100%?

    It varies a lot. We have 5 family trips planned this year plus a council run day camp. Some are camping, others are overnights. In previous years we had 2 but have slowly built up to 5. In my area you’ll see anywhere from 1 to 6 based on discussions with other Packs. Den meeting frequency varies as well ... from weekly to 1 per month.
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    Only six months till girls in Scouts BSA.

    Packs are being told that boy and girl dens can meet at the same time and place. Many in both the volunteer and professional ranks know the current idea of having 10-12 new leaders to cover all grade levels won’t happen at most of any Pack. In addition, having 5th grade girls have co den meetings with Lions or Tigers is a farce. We tried it this Spring and while functional... it didn’t feel like true Den meetings. In my Pack, we left it up to den leaders and families of those dens if they want girl and boy dens to meet together or separate. 100% of our 12 den leaders voted to have boy and girl dens meet together. We sent this out to the Pack and asked for comments... no one objected and we only received positive feedback. (I know... I sound like National now). So, our boy and girl dens will meet together.... so it will look very much like coed dens. My unit commissioner is 100% supportive and my DE only asked to make sure there is some separation during the meeting (have the girls and boys in different groups)... which seems to happen naturally anyway. While we are meeting the rules of BSA we won’t look that much different than @oldbuzzard ‘s Pack. Perhaps oldbuzzard is being more Trustworthy than BSA’s current policy (which is claiming separate boy/girl dens that can meeting together and to an outside observer look and function like coed dens).
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