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    2018 Membership numbers are in

    Our district has 0 Venturing crews left. I talked with the last leader of a crew and he said that they formed when a group of older boys and girls wanted to do more high adventure trips. When they started to age out there was no natural progression from Troops to feed their numbers. I brought up a discussion of ramping up a Venturing crew or two and there is some interest, but we don’t have enough volunteers for our current Troops or District already ... and that is a higher priority.
  2. Eagle1993

    2018 Membership numbers are in

    It would be great to see the regional breakdown. Did councils who promoted girls and pushed hard on recruiting see growth or did they see backlash and net loss of members. Did the councils who ignored girls or didn’t have a good roll out plan see limited losses? No clue, but I know the girl numbers are not spread even across the country and council efforts varied.
  3. Grade school activities have changed dramatically over the last 15-20 years. In my Tiger den, half the youth are signed up for weekly ski lessons (in Wisconsin); most have at least 1 organized travel sport... some have two. Add in a martial art and a musical instrument for a few. Parents are already starting to cut activities by 2nd and 3rd grade.... they are not looking to add. It would be interesting if there are successfull packs who only started recruiting in 2nd or 3rd grade.
  4. There was a group in the camp tapping trees for maple syrup and they saw the damage and heard the noise of the walls popping. One person had a drone and others grabbed cameras waiting for the collapse.
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    Can a CO profit off a unit?

    The Chartered Organization agrees to: • Use Scouting to further the Chartered Organization’s aims and values for youth. • Chartered organizations must utilize the Scouting program to accomplish specific objectives related to one or more of the following: o Youth character development o Career skill development o Community service o Patriotism and military and veteran recognition o Faith-based youth ministry • Chartered organizations must not use the Scouting program to pursue any objectives related to political or social advocacy, including partisan politics, support or opposition to government action or controversial legal, political, or social issues or causes. The above comes from the annual CO agreement. I would argue if the BSA wanted to stop church COs from proselytizing it would be documented here. In fact, the BSA specifically mentions youth ministry as a specific objective.
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    School Newspaper

    Just venting, but I am extremely disappointed in my son’s elementary school. He is a member of the school newspaper and one of his “beats” is recommendations. He wrote an article (unprompted by me) recommending Cub Scouts. I saw the article, it was well written, talks about some of the outings we do. The school pulled the article. They told him he can not recommend outside groups. Video games, fast food, movies... no issues, but they draw the line on Cub Scouts.
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    School Newspaper

    They apparently allowed other outside organizations in previous articles (such as a food bank). They also allowed PG 13 and violent video games. I told my son his next article should be an interview with the principal on the who, what, when, why on the ban...
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    Blue & Gold cost

    $0 We have a pizza and pool party. We do charge $55 in pack dues each year and raise money through popcorn sales.
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    Youth Protection Policy Does Not Prohibit Retaliation

    Council executives (or at least some professionals in councils) have absolutely dismissed unit volunteers for non YPT related issues under the code of conduct. (Wear your uniform in a bar and see what happens.... even if you are not drinking alcohol or with scouts). I completely agree that the unit IH/COR/CC is the typical group (and correct group) to determine if any displine of a SM is required. That said, I don’t buy that the lack of a YPT retaliation policy prevented the DE from acting. There is no need to add additional rules in YPT. If the DE really felt the volunteer needed to be dismissed, he could absolutely pursue it under the code of conduct harassed clause. My belief is that he agreed that there was a YPT concern, the leader addressed it and the DE felt that was enough and the unit should handle the rest. When the parent complained he said nothing I can do and pointed to a lack of policy so he wouldn’t have to defend his decision further.
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    Youth Protection Policy Does Not Prohibit Retaliation

    If the DE wanted to dismiss this leader they could have. Retaliation is already not allowed... see file below. https://filestore.scouting.org/filestore/controller/BSA_Whistle_Blower_Policy.pdf https://filestore.scouting.org/filestore/controller/code_of_conduct_policy.pdf He also could be dismissed if the DE felt he violated the code of conduct https://www.scouting.org/health-and-safety/gss/bsa-scouter-code-of-conduct/ I don’t see a need for more policies in the BSA. The DE probably felt what the leader did was not enough to dismiss him and hid behind a lack of policy. If he felt otherwise, I’m sure the DE could point to some existing policy and work with council to remove him.
  11. In my summer camp, Lifesaving was tough. Recovering the 10 lb weight in water with 6” of visibility was tough. I was a strong swimmer but took in a fair share of water coming up as our councilor would throw the weight in a different points to make us search (without vision) at the bottom of a muddy lake. Most of the scouts I was with never succeeded.... on second those scouts probably just did it later in a pool.... Outside of that, it was fairly easy if you are a good swimmer.
  12. Eagle1993

    Can a CO profit off a unit?

    With this info, my answer would be no. Once a year is enough payback to the CO. The wooded area cleanup would be fair if they could schedule earlier. More than this would burn up scout, parent and leader energy on a non core activity.
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    Can a CO profit off a unit?

    @Cubmaster Pete forgot to mention his CO is McDonalds....
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    Can a CO profit off a unit?

    We do this for our CO, but it is once per year. I think asking more, especially of a Cub Scout Pack, seems excessive; however, our relationship with our CO is 100% one sided. You can probably find other ways to raise $1000 easier than 12 brat sales and if the check is the only true relationship you have (I.e. it’s not a church where most of the scouts are already members) then I would pass on the sales.
  15. Transparency is key. They should have smply let their current members unit know their strategy. This unit probably knew they were going to add girls before they took action (or at least were open to the idea), so they should have simply told their current members their strategy. Polls aren’t required, but rechartering then suddenly announcing that the unit is adding a girls Troop will cause loss of trust.... that is very difficult to regain.
  16. @Cburkhardt Did you have any support from your council or was this all unit driven? How many all girl Troops exist in DC? Are you advertising 20 months to earn the Eagle Scout rank? From what I have seen locally, there has been limited support from Council and there are a limited number of adult leaders out there (so far) that are not already District or Unit volunteers.
  17. Eagle1993

    Do mixed-ranked Dens actually work?

    That’s essentially what we did for the exact reasons you listed. Unity of the den was a big one. In addition we were able to patch some areas where our Boy dens didn’t have great den leaders with parents of girls. The final issue was that it made the girls look like this odd group we added to the pack.... as each boy den was a single grade (6 dens) plus a collection of multi aged girls. All packs in my area who I have talked to and added girls have done the same. Our council and district are aware as are all of our parents. No concerns raised.
  18. Depends on how “linked” they are, but I agree. From our recent experience there are not many girl Troops in our area and as girls (typically sisters or daughters of scouters) find out they are starting to apply to the few units. I think “big”numbers are a few years out as it will take cub crossovers to really build numbers. Will be interesting to see how this goes.
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    Cub Scout takes knee during pledge

    Doing your duty to country can certainly include protest. I’m not a fan of the kneeling and I see no real proposals out there in terms of the end game. What does this kid want the city council to do? That said, I could imagine that there are cases where a Scout uniform could be worn while protesting. Perhaps a city who attempts to take over a BSA camp ground through eminent domain. I would have no problem seeing scouts show up to the city council in uniform to protest. There could be a few others, but in general I would think you should not be in uniform unless BSA is part of the issue you are protesting....
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    Eagle Scout Extension for new 2019 Scouts

    https://blog.scoutingmagazine.org/2017/01/17/scouts-and-presidential-inaugurations-have-a-long-interesting-past/ Perhaps the uniform police can go after all of these Boy Scouts who wore their uniforms at Presidental inaugurations..... (actually, an interesting history, but I would say a good parallel to attending a SOTU). Note I do agree with you about the button & patch.... so perhaps the rest is an agreed to disagree. @RememberSchiff makes a good point. She is a 17 year old kid who is bound to make some mistakes. BSA seems to be holding strong to no exceptions outside the extension process released... I hope and expect they will not make further changes.
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    Eagle Scout Extension for new 2019 Scouts

    SOTU is the President fulfilling his or her duty to Article 2 Section 3 of the US Constitution. It would be like attending a session of Congress or other governmental event. My Cub Scouts were invited by our Mayor to attend the next Village meeting. I believe they can wear their uniforms there (and should be encouraged) even though they were invited by a politician.
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    Eagle Scout Extension for new 2019 Scouts

    That is why I thought Silver Buffalo would work. It doesn’t seem to have those limitations.
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    Eagle Scout Extension for new 2019 Scouts

    Is the State of the Union a political event? I would think this is the same as wearing it to a townhall meeting and different from a rally. Is there a picture of her wearing it to a political rally?
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    Eagle Scout Extension for new 2019 Scouts

    She has unofficially been part of a Troop in Manhattan for several years. The leaders have signed off on her MB and leadership positions in the Troop. If she was an official member she would be at Life Rank and she wears the patch. I agree she should not be given the Eagle Scout (she needs to start over and the BSA response is spot on) but I would support the BSA in awarding her the Silver Buffalo award. She was a strong and vocal advocate for adding girls to the program and while I think others reasons caused BSA to change their policy, she was the most visible reason behind it. Therefore, given in part to her work, tens of thousands of girls have this new opportunity. “The Silver Buffalo Award is the national-leveldistinguished service award of the Boy Scouts of America. It is presented for noteworthy and extraordinary service to youth on a national basis, either as part of, or independent of the Scouting program. The award is made by the National Court of Honor and the recipient need not be a registered member of the BSA.” https://www.scouting.org/awards/awards-central/silver-buffalo/silver-buffalo-recipients/
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    Eagle Scout Extension for new 2019 Scouts

    https://patch.com/new-york/southampton/teen-who-fought-join-boy-scouts-attends-state-union A spokesperson for the BSA responded: "Given her unique circumstances and experiences, we have communicated directly with Sydney and her family about her specific path to Eagle, recognizing her accomplishments to date. For more than 100 years, the pinnacle of the Scouting experience for some has been achieving the highest rank of Eagle Scout. To honor the rigor of the path and dedication required to become an Eagle Scout, it's imperative that they follow the same steps as Eagle Scouts before them, and future Eagle Scouts who will come after them. "Our goal is to create a level playing field and ensure that all youth just joining Scouting will have the opportunity to achieve their dream and earn the rank of Eagle Scout. In keeping with this philosophy, all requirements must be completed while the individual is a registered member of Scouts BSA, or after achieving the first class rank in Scouts BSA," the BSA spokesperson said. The BSA gave an analogy: "If you regularly sit in on classes at Columbia University, but aren't matriculated in the school, after auditing a full course load and after the traditional four year college experience, you unfortunately still are not eligible for a Columbia diploma if you were not officially enrolled.
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