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  1. Eagle1993

    DE interference - not helping

    Agreed. When I hit the online recharter process it becomes a bit of a game of how to adjust my actual leadership structure into the BSA requirements. For example, I have a great den leader who is also Cubmaster. If I followed BSA I would either have a weaker Cubmaster or a weaker den leader. Yes, ideally I have competent parents tripping over themselves volunteering. I don’t, so we run the pack with the leadership we have (always looking for more), following YPT and adjusting our charter renewal to match requirements.
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    Time to Go.

    Ahh.... that would be fun... which is why I write out some emails and just send them to the delete bin. 😀 Camping with a Troop is no longer required for scouting adventure or AOL. Only an outdoor activity. One could argue they didn’t follow the patrol method. However, if you did take that path I think it could make the situation worse as the existing leadership would point to a “disgruntled ex leader” and deflect blame. In the end, I see silently leaving as a louder statement. FYI.... not to derail this thread. With your Webelos den leader, parent, or guardian, participate in a Boy Scout troop's campout or other outdoor activity. Use the patrol method while on the outing.
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    So I resigned as CM

    Sorry to hear how it finished but I agree it is better to leave a bit early than too late. Good to hear you had a replacement ready. Hey, as far as other things to do, Would you be interested in serving as a FOS Chair for another pack in your state?? 👍😀 Our committee meetings are at a German Bierhaus and we would cover the first round!
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    PLC hazing and bullying problem

    @Eagledad I would be with you if this was straight up bullying if this wasn’t borderline sexual assault. That is not an emotional statement, that is a simple truth based on what is described. Having a scout decide to give up SPL seems incredibly minor given what occurred. Sexual assault covers a wide range of unwanted behaviors—up to but not including penetration—that are attempted or completed against a victim's will or when a victim cannot consent because of age, disability, or the influence of alcohol or drugs. Sexual assault may involve actual or threatened physical force, use of weapons, coercion, intimidation, or pressure and may include— Intentional touching of the victim's genitals, anus, groin, or breasts.
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    PLC hazing and bullying problem

    This was a border line call to the police to report the SPL. The only reason I wouldn’t was that it was a single occurrence and his underwear was on. Given that, I think a call to your SE is appropriate. It was a group of scouts... yes non scouting... but it doesn’t lessen the impact of the action. The council can decide if the SPL should be dismissed. If you don’t report it and this gets out... I think some may question your Troop’s leadership. If the SPL does this again and then the council hears you had an earlier issue you didn’t report... your scouting membership could be at risk. At this point, given his actions, I wouldn’t want to put my own scouting membership on the line by not reporting. Just my opinion... I know this isn’t a black and white situation.
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    New girls in Scouting

    Latest report is 53139 girls... so only 3000 more in one week. What I found interesting is that the southern region reported their numbers as 23,089 with Central Florida leading the way with 2,300 girls. I wonder what is unique in the Southern Region for them to have such a large percentage of total girls. Any ideas ... yes, I know to be suspicious of any recruiting numbers... but if correct any idea what is going on in the South vs the other regions?
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    Qualities of an Eagle

    Now my mansplaining take...I took that post as a bit of tongue in cheek, especially after further clarifications from @qwazse. He does go “off the reservation” from time to time (like most of us) but I don’t think it was fully along the lines of find yourself a rich maid. Quips don’t all translate to Internet forums well. I took it as find a good life partner that will be willing to do their share of work in the marriage. That other attributes may not be the best to go on. Perhaps there is a bit of an assumption of what roles in marriage each should take, but that is something that should be understood before going in. If someone believes and wants their wife to cook, that is fine as long as both partners recognize that and agree before entering marriage. My quips to youth now focus on recommendations of keeping detailed calendars and limiting social media for our future leaders...talk about a mine field.
  8. I agree. You can not submit an online app without paying. The online invitation manager is separate. I don’t see how this could be a glitch...
  9. For new units. Most packs are simply adding girls as there is no minimum (since you already have a charter agreement for the Pack); however, it sounds like their council is still referring to a 5 girl minimum.
  10. Family packs have no minimum number of girls. Where does the 5 come from?
  11. @Buggie Did you submit request for more info through beascout.org? I have seen a few requests come in from that but what is odd is that it only generates a lead in the online system, not an application. Someone in your council must have manually converted your lead into an application. They appear to be totally separate systems (leads and applications) online. One suggestion, log onto my.scouting.org and see if you have anything under the Youth Profile. My son was a paper app and nothing is there for him. My daughter was an online app and her profile appears. Just a guess (based on my experience), but if this was simply an online app mistake I would think you would see her under your profile. If someone in council printed out your lead and made it into a paper app it may not show up.
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    Adding Girls to Pack

    Recruiting season is wrapping up this year. We have over 90 Scouts registered, I expect several will drop and we will end up in the mid 80s. (We have some casual scouts and we have made the change to strictly enforce advancement requirements. Our Pack had a long history of handing our ranks and our current leadership has decided to change that... so we expect some to drop.) We currently have 18 girls in our Pack and it varies greatly by age. Our largest pack size in the last 10+ years was 74... so we are definitely up even excluding Lions which is by far our smallest den. We are now pulling in girls and a boy from other schools who’s Packs have decided to stay boy only. The girls are easy to explain but there was a boy as well. The boy was best friends with a girl and they wanted to be in the same Pack. We have received no negative feedback from parents. There are a few that said they are “interested” in seeing how the dynamics change (if they do). One dad said his son had threatened to quit if we added girls but now wants to keep participating. One girl (young) actually asked why there were boys in the Pack. Otherwise it is a non (or at least limited) issue in our Pack. One of my leaders was talking to a parent of a girl who recently joined and explained that he was concerned that we might negatively impact GSUSA. The parent said that without our Pack her daughter would have no scouting available as the GSUSA Troop collapsed when no parents wanted to volunteer.... and other Troops were difficult to join. Strong GSUSA Troops will be fine in our school, but we are there for those without a scouting home. Next up recharter. It will be interesting to see if there is more attrition than in the past.
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    Starting a new troop: Budget items

    Definitely a good idea. We had a local Troop run a service project once where they colllected old camping gear from the scouting community. These could be individually owned or old Troop equipment. The scouts then setup and tested the equipment and donated the usable items to new or struggling Troops. I thought this as a great idea as there is a lot of equipment gathering dust.
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    New girls in Scouting

    50,093 girls are now registered 5,994 Lions; 8,990 Tigers; 19,362 Wolves and Bears; 15,747 Webelos. Pace slowed a bit this week. I’ll be curious to see more October numbers.
  15. Eagle1993

    Boys, Girls, and Cub Scouting

    Building resilience in our scouts is key. If we step in too much or often we will rob that learning opportunity from our Scouts. My son and I recently went to a AOL/Troop activity (he is AOL) and one of the Boy Scouts asked for volunteers to help cook. My son volunteered and went to work. Another Boy Scout came to the kitchen later and yelled at my son to get out... he didn’t belong there. I didn’t know what happened until I saw my son kneeling and crying behind a tent. I told him to go talk with the SPL or go back to the kitchen to see if they could still use his help. It took some prodding but eventually I walked him over and he asked the Scouts in the kitchen if he could still help and they said yes. Small issue, easily worked out by youth. Hopefully in the future I won’t even need to walk him over. YPT doesn’t mean a scout won’t have his or her feelings hurt. Even though the language is vague, I see YPT as a last resort where there is systemic or serious acts that require intervention. For the most part, adult unit leaders should be able to handle most Cub Scout situations and SPL/PL should handle most Boy Scout situations.
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    10,000 Girl Cub Scouts

    BSA just past the 10,000 mark for girls in Cub Scouts with nearly 4,000 Webelos. It will be interesting to see these numbers after fall recruiting when most Packs add new members. Will update if I see more numbers in October. That will be the interesting one.
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    I HATE the new YPT rules

    We ended having to reject a girl from joining our Pack since we didn’t have a female AOL den leader. Well, actually we gave the girl’s parents two choices. Either join our 4th grade den or have her mom register as a leader and come to all the Den meetings. She is definitely not interested in the 4th grade den and her mom is too busy. This is a biased rule that will hamper the experience of female scouts. I typically can get moms to go on campouts... but at a much lower rate than dads. I think moms willing to go on HA will be even rarer.
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    Boys-only weeks at camp

    I don’t see this as a long term need, but adding girls to Scouts is new for us. BSA will still have many units who desire to remain boy only. The vast majority of Scouts will be boys. If there are enough units that are Boy only and desire a bit only camp it should be offered. As long as girls are not regulated to the inferior camps or very limited weeks we should be able to accommodate these units. Boys and the parents who want them to have a boy only experience should still have that option in the BSA. Girls have that option in GSUSA and they have the coed option in BSA.
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    Eagle Scout Extension for new 2019 Scouts

    You don’t need leadership positions to get first class. So, 17 year and 11 month person would join work all the way up to First Class while primarily registered as an Adult in Scouts BSA. Then once they achieve First Class they would register in Venturing to start obtaining the leadership positions for Star, Life and Eagle. I may be wrong, I just don’t see them allowing anyone over 18 registering as a Youth in Scouts BSA and I believe you have to be under 18 for the approved leadership positions below. However, I could be wrong and they may just allow 18 YO take on one of these roles... Boy Scout troop. Patrol leader, assistant senior patrol leader, senior patrol leader, Venture patrol leader, troop guide, Order of the Arrow troop representative, den chief, scribe, librarian, historian, quartermaster, junior assistant Scoutmaster, chaplain aide, instructor, webmaster, or Leave No Trace trainer.
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    10,000 Girl Cub Scouts

    Report just came in that we are at 45,856 girls. A DE noted that the majority of them are in southern states as northern states generally start school later. I know several Join scout nights in my area are just starting. Who knows but thought I would pass it on.
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    Eagle Scout Extension for new 2019 Scouts

    Leadership positions in Venturing count towards Eagle. Don’t know if this is how extensions are handled but a National volunteer is indicating that is what would occur. Venturing crew/ship. President, vice president, secretary, treasurer, quartermaster, historian, den chief, guide, boatswain, boatswain’s mate, yeoman, purser, storekeeper, webmaster, or Leave No Trace trainer So, one would have to be over 16 but under 18 as of Feb 2019. They would then need to join and kick into high gear as they can only have 24 months. Then they need to file an extension by early Jan 2020. They then may need to find a Venturing crew or ship to join if they do not have sufficient time for Scouts BSA positions before they turn 18. That is my understanding. If someone did all of this I have no issue with them achieving Eagle rank. Over/under 200 total do this.
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    Eagle Scout Extension for new 2019 Scouts

    It may be less if what I see is true. Based on what I am seeing in FB discussions: the scout would either have to complete all the life to Eagle leadership requirements by 18 or transition to Venturing to finish out the leadership requirement. They would not be able to be a youth leader after 18 in Scouts BSA and ASM is not an approved leadership position for Eagle.
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    Eagle Scout Extension for new 2019 Scouts

    Why didn’t he join earlier? Was he excluded by BSA due to issues out of his control? If so, I would expect he could pursue an exemption under #3. Not sure if it would be granted. I would have been fine if BSA would have announced that no exemptions would be granted for girls joining in 2018, at the same time I understand why they decided to do this.
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    Eagle Scout Extension for new 2019 Scouts

    Lawsuits would have been filed regardless. Now they can point to a consistent policy for the 2019 new Scouts instead of what some Councils would have done by pushing exemptions under the following reasons. To be clear, I don’t know if Nationals would have granted any due to #1 below; however, there may have been groups pushing for exemptions under #3 below. Now it is clear how to handle the situation. 1. The member joined or rejoined—or became active again after a period of inactivity—in time to complete all requirements before turning 18. That is, the time remaining between joining, or rejoining, and when the Scout turns 18 is more than the total of the active-time requirements for the ranks left to achieve. 3. The circumstance is totally beyond the control of the youth member. Injuries, unanticipated family incidents, or various mistakes or omissions by adults, for example, could be legitimate causes. The Boy Scouts of America assumes anyone working on Scouts BSA ranks has a Scouts BSA Handbook and has read the requirements. Despite this, misinformation from unit leadership is often cited as grounds for extensions. These cases will be considered, but they should be very rare and would point to a need for basic training and assistance.
  25. Eagle1993

    Eagle Scout Extension for new 2019 Scouts

    It should be handled the same way current extensions are handled. It is rare, but there are extensions granted beyond 18. This just makes it clear how Nationals will handle these extension requests. I also expect this exception will be rare. First, you need a youth to join in 2019 that is 16 or older by Feb 1. Second they need to be motivated enough to file and extension by Jan 7, 2020. Third they need to be willing to stay in Scouts probably past High School. I think we are talking hundreds not thousands of extensions.