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  1. The Latin Scot

    "Classic" Scout Socks are now a thing?

    Really? Maybe it's from growing up here in Southern CA, but I find any socks that go higher than the ankle to be dreadfully uncomfortable; I own Scout socks that go higher, but I never wear them. Wow ... that's ... a choice. Certainly he is one committed Scouter, I'll give you that.
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    "Classic" Scout Socks are now a thing?

    Sorry to make people feel old! I actually wore them too right up to around the year 2000, so I am just bemused by the fact they are calling them "classic" when they would have been uniform standard up to just a few years ago. I ... I have no idea. I would imagine if they are pushing them like they are, they would have to consider them thusly. But from whom would that approval come? Would the folks up at national deign to clarify such a trivial question? I just find the whole thing bizarre. It's a lovely and sentimental nod to better days, sure, but the timing and promotion is just so odd. I wonder what other "vintage" and "classic" items they have waiting to toss at us in the future. EDIT: I posted the question about official approval for the uniform on the Shop's webpage for the socks. We'll see if they answer!
  3. Wow! A lot of differing opinions here, even among the LDS community! Let me just say, as an 8th generation member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, that my family has never found occasion to worry or complain about the decisions of our church's leadership. I am 100% certain that the new programs will be effective, powerful, and wonderful - as long as the members who implement it share that optimism. So yeah, some units won't be able to pull it off, some will struggle, some will complain - but it won't be the fault of the programs. It will be their own fault for not coming into it with the right mindset, with the right attitude - with the right heart. But for those who really, really put their heart, might, mind and strength into it, I am certain beyond the possibility of doubt that the new programs will be MARVELOUS. Kind of like with Scouting.
  4. Well, it looks like our time together is drawing to its close ... https://www.mormonnewsroom.org/article/new-program-children-youth?cid=HP_TU-8-5-2018_dPAD_fMNWS_xLIDyL1-B_ And the joint statement from the Church and BSA: https://www.mormonnewsroom.org/multimedia/file/bsa-joint-statement-may-8.pdf
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    Hmm ... so, why was the parent screaming at your son? If your son had truly done nothing wrong, then if one connects the dots, there wouldn't have been any screaming. As a teacher I know it's easy to throw the term bully around to try and rally people against a certain child, but you have to understand that you are bringing this up to a bunch of people reading posts on the internet in their free time, and to the casual reader it seems there is a LOT you are still leaving out. Something must have led to that leader "screaming" at your child. And we know that at some point you escalated the confrontation to the point that an SPL had to intervene between two adults. Also, you mention that the individual is the parent of a bully, but that does not make the parent a bully, and that person may well say the same about you if they were to voice their opinions here. We simply can't make a fair assessment of your situation with the little information given, especially without somebody to speak from the opposing side of view. There are two sides to everything. But by how much is not said, and by the fact that you seem to place all the blame on the other parent without indicating any role you may have played in the encounter, I think it's best to say again that you should think more about how you will deal with future encounters than on the faults of the other person. You seem to want advice badly, considering you seek it here on an anonymous online Scouting forum, but without any really substantial details, there isn't much any of us can do other than to offer general counsel, pray for the best, and hope you get things worked out. And it's not our place to request such private information anyway. But I do hope you get things resolved in a manner that helps your Scout learn how to effectively and maturely deal with difficult situations like these.
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    Fees? What are packs charging?

    My CO pays all fees and provides every Pack with a somewhat flexible budget for awards, events, adult training, and a limited number of local/district/council over-nighters. Boys pay for their own uniforms and books, and long-term camps like Cub Day Camp and Summer Camp, with help and options available to them if needed. Families are expected to pay as little out-of-pocket as possible, and no boy is turned down from any activity or program if they don't have the means; such cases are covered by local Church leadership. The same benefits are available to all boys in every unit, whether they are members of the Church or not.
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    There is far too much unsaid in this episode for any of us to fully understand what transpired here. I will say that it is unfortunate that the SPL, who is a youth leader, had to come between to adults. That should never have had to happen. And there are always two sides to everything; we have parts of your perspective on what happened, but nobody from the opposite point of view to give us a more balanced sense of what really transpired. So we can't really make any calls on the episode itself, except that things got out of hand to the point that a young man had to intervene when two adults lost control of themselves, and that was clearly unfair both to him and to any youth who may have been witness to it. Now, you ask how a Scoutmaster can be objective about other issues when he cannot be objective about other people. But I think you are asking the wrong question, or at least it isn't a question that will bring you any useful answers. The simple fact is that being uniformly 'objective' about all things is not a requirement for serving as Scoutmaster, and it's unwise and unfair to expect such from anybody. Scouting is run by people, and people have failings - you, me the Scoutmaster - everybody. Right now, your Scoutmaster doesn't feel comfortable with your presence in the Troop. That is the fact of the matter right now. Maybe this is totally unfair, but then, maybe there is a good reason for it. His prejudice against you may be one of his failings; his reasons for it may be some of yours. But you'll get further asking how you can change and improve your own attitudes and behaviors than you will by questioning somebody else's; after all, you have total control over how you deal with this situation, but frankly, you'll discover you are powerless to control how others do. If you approach the Committee demonstrating a willingness to temper your feelings and make whatever changes are necessary to make them feel comfortable with your continued role in the Troop, it will make a far better impression on them than any accusations or attempts to justify your behaviors will. And it will teach your children a far better lesson as well. One thing I have learned working with children is that it's never productive to tell an angry child to "calm down." Nobody wants to be told how to feel; they want to have their feelings acknowledged and respected. Rather, ask them to explain their feelings while you demonstrate to them what calm is through your own example (catch: this actually requires you to remain calm). Questions like "Why are you feeling upset?," "Can you help me understand the problem?," or "What do you think I can do to help fix this?," asked calmly without demanding calm, can do far more to generate positive results than simply telling them how to feel.
  8. That's not a logical conclusion to make, and it doesn't 'protect' anybody from the truth. Living a life is all about behavior. The choices we make - our behavior - define the life we life. Choosing to adopt a transgendered lifestyle is a set of behavioral choices, as with any lifestyle. True, one might feel compelled at some deep level to adopt such a mode of being, but the decision to follow through with those feelings still constitutes one's behavior. That's in no way a judgement call, an insult, nor a derogatory statement - behavior is simply the correct term to describe the cumulative summation of one's personal choices.
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    some people have some nerve

    As with any bully, the solution is simple. Ignore her. Do not respond to any of her emails on this subject. If she confronts you in person, simply tell her kindly and calmly "the issue is already decided." Do not offer up any other explanation, do not attempt to satisfy her demands, do not engage with her on this matter at all. She has absolutely no right nor authority nor legitimate reason to make any of these demands on you nor your son, so just let her scream and holler till her voice is hoarse and she collapses in frustration. These people always tend to dig their own graves, so don't waste your time trying to help with the process. DO make sure you are not condescending nor patronizing about it though; the more polite and civil you are during this episode, the more control you will have over the discussion. And your goal is to eliminate the discussion entirely. Kill her with kindness, and don't give her an inch. Sometimes, the biggest victories are won from the battles you choose not to fight.
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    How Many Uniforms Do You Have?

    I only have one at the moment, but in my own unit's uniform closet (identical in nature to yours), I found a shirt that fits me perfectly, although this one is long-sleeved.. Since I am in my uniform at least a few times a week, I am thinking about turning it into a second shirt so that I can hopefully keep either from getting too worn too quickly. I also have a pair of socks in each of the three lengths, three different fabric options for my pants/shorts convertibles, a leather belt and the standard green web, four different neckerchief slides to go with my half dozen neckerchief options, and two hats - my classic campaign hat and the standard Webelos cap. Math wizards, how many different uniform combinations could @The Latin Scotcome up with if he added a second uniform shirt to his present options? Please show your work.
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    New Wolf Neckerchief /hats now what?

    The changes being made to the Wolf colors are rolling changes, meaning that the red hats and neckers will not appear until the current inventory of yellow sells through. This also means that both colors will be perfectly acceptable through the 2019 - 2020 program years.
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    Tough Times in a Troop

    Indeed; on the website there are a number of ways to submit ideas or contact the editors: To submit story ideas: https://scoutingmagazine.org/contact/story-idea/ To send a letter to the magazine: https://scoutingmagazine.org/contact/letter/ And the regular "contact Bryan" e-mail. I've had a decent amount of success reaching him with this e-mail: scoutingmag@gmail.com
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    Join Scouts, get a free uniform via Goodwill and Council

    I love it. I wish more centers would do something like this; I know there is a Salvation Army way up north in LA that always has big stockpiles of Scout apparel, but I haven't heard of them doing anything like this before. Some Council exec needs to read this and try it out in our area.
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    Dorky Patch Placement Questions

    Pss! I have a few times, but that's because I live in an extremely competitive and materialistic area where people are always trying to one-up each other. So even if I did snap one day and start issuing tickets for uniform "mal-wear", I would just get ignored anyway.
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    Dorky Patch Placement Questions

    Apparently this is more open to debate than I realized. Here's another thread exclusively devoted to this topic: It's from a few years back, but it demonstrates the variety of opinions on the issue, and I for one find it superfluous and excessive to put rank patches on the back of the sash. The badge on the shirt will automatically signify that the past ranks have been earned, so adding them to the back of the sash just feels like an excuse to put more swag on display. I don't like the message that teaches young people. Naturally some will disagree, but I hold to my original post.
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    Hello all

    Welcome, and thank you for all you do for the boys! We look forward to your comments and ideas!
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    A Den with Difficulty (the adults!)

    I can testify to the immeasurable value of a good den chief. I have had the most wonderful young man serving as mine for almost two years now - he is respectful, thoughtful, good with the boys, responsible, and mature. He comes in his uniform, he takes direction but also leads successfully, he participates in our activities and leads his own well - I can't imagine trying to run my den of boys without him. A good den leader can make a night and day difference in the success of any den.
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    Webelos II requirements - what if we've already done some?

    They learn basic orienteering in Wolves; it's not really taught in any of the Webelos adventures now. Which is not a good thing, lol. I teach some anyway just to prepare them for Boy Scouts AND because it's just an important life skill.
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    Dorky Patch Placement Questions

    I believe rank patches are one of the few items that are normally NOT permitted on the back of the merit badge sash. If you must put anything besides merit badges on the back of it (a practice of which I have never been a fan), then keep it to temporary patches, not official badges of rank or office. And I will add my voice to all the others - teach them to sew and let them do it themselves. My dad does professional costuming and tailoring, but we always had to sew on our own badges - he was (and is) however kind enough to help now and then with particularly difficult patches, such as the Messengers of Peace emblem, which is a PAIN to sew on by hand. And since I do all my stitching by hand, I need professional, mechanical intervention now and then. But again - don't be like me. Teach them to do it all themselves!
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    Webelos II requirements - what if we've already done some?

    Yeah, they took out the geocaching requirement with last year's addendum and it isn't required in the new book. I admit I always found separate Webelos 1 and 2 dens to be a very odd creation. Being an LDS Webelos Den Leader, I have one year to do all the requirements, but we don't take summers off and every boy has a straight 12 months to get it all done. Since we don't get slowed down for a season, my boys usually finish both the Webelos rank and the AofL within the required 3 and 6 month time frames, with plenty of time to work on outdoor activity awards, world conservation awards, and lots of elective adventures too. And sometimes they have to repeat stuff for boys who haven't gotten as far along - that's fine; I always tell them that it's a chance to help out newer boys with the things they've already learned. However packs may decide to split the Webelos program, the fact remains that the minute a boy becomes a Webelos Scout, everything he does counts towards all requirements until he leaves the Cub Scout program - regardless of whether a local unit moves him into some artificial "older" den. Officially, there is no such thing as "Webelos 1 and 2" or "Arrow of Light dens" or whatever. There are Webelos Scouts and Webelos dens. It's all one program, using one book, wearing one uniform.
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    As an adult, what do you REALLY wear?

    Hmm. I gotta admit I'm a stickler for proper uniforming, so either I wear the complete uniform or I don't wear it at all. Shirt, shorts, belt, socks, neckerchief, and hat. But I have plenty of options to mix up my look when I want to. I have three lengths of official socks - knee-high, crew length, and ankle socks (I almost ALWAYS wear the ankle socks here in sunny CA). I've got the official pants/zip-off shorts, which are not as bad as I thought they'd be, and I appreciate that they can function as pants AND shorts (again, I practically ALWAYS wear shorts since it's almost never under 75 degrees here). Then I can choose between an official tooled leather belt, or my standard green web-belt. On my shirt I wear pretty much all the bling; I work with Webelos and I consider it my job to get the boys excited for Boy Scouts, so while it isn't in my nature to do so, I make sure to wear all the patches and awards I have earned so that the boys will notice it - knots, service stars, OA flap, devices, et cetera. And then of course I NEVER leave home without my necker (I have a half-dozen to choose from, depending on the occasion) and a nice slide. That's always topped off with my campaign hat, or at times my Webelos den cap.
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    Need guidance please

    This is the line that troubles me the most. Exclusion is never "natural," it's always a choice. They could have chosen to ignore their perception of what is fair or not, and included him anyway, but they didn't - they chose to treat the boy differently. As soon as that happens, you're starting on a path to trouble. And it would seem that pretty quickly, they reached their destination.
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    Songs for Wolves

    Yep. The tune we know as "O Christmas Tree" was simply lifted and used for Vespers because it was a familiar melody that lots of people already knew. In the 19th and early 20th centuries, most music was learned that way - people as a rule knew dozens of familiar melodies, and they would simply fit in different lyrics based on occasion, setting, or performance. In schools, it was absolutely essential for children to learn music and basic music theory, as much as it was for them to learn their letters and numbers. In early American churches, people already knew all the common melodies of the day, and hymnbooks would simply include the hymn lyrics, which would be sung to whichever familiar melody the music director indicated for that particular service On the stage, any singer worth his salt would have had to know all the popular melodies AND lyrics of the day, as would any and all instrumentalists accompanying him. Audience members would shout out favorite lyrics and the name of the tune to which they wanted to hear it sung, and singers were expected to know them and sing them from heart. And they did - there were no TV's or radios or internet to amuse people, so singing songs in parlours, theaters, bars, homes, et cetera was the universal way of entertaining oneself, one's friends, and one's audience. EVERYBODY knew the same songs, the sames melodies, and there was a general culture of shared musical appreciation. Now, that culture is all but extinct, and would be completely foreign to the modern layman save for the vestiges of that tradition left in the now-trivial habit of singing familiar songs with personalized lyrics, usually in a light-minded manner to children. The richer vibrancy of the past cultural tradition has been lost. So when the Cub Scout Songbook and Boy Scout Songbook were compiled in the early half of the last century, they simply followed an age-old practice of using common, well-known tunes and fitting to them lyrics that would be relevant or instructive to their target audience. So basically, the tune named "O Tannenbaum" is known in the States as "Oh Christmas Tree," which is the same tune we use for "Scout Vespers," but which can be used for whatever special lyrics you see fit to teach them. 😉
  24. So, with Patriot Day coming next week, I thought it would be appropriate for me to wear the patch pictured below at my weekly den meeting. I found it in a bag of old patches our Scoutmaster gifted me a few months ago, and I think it's a lovely tribute to the events of that day. However, I have no idea what the history of this patch is, and I am certain my Webelos Scouts will want to know more about it. Obviously it was created to commemorate what happened on 9/11, but I don't know when it was issued nor by whom - was it a local, council offering, a nationally issued momento, or what? I am always impressed by the sleuthing skills of our resident patch experts here, so I look forward to learning what you all can find out! Thank you!
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    Can anybody please give me a history for this patch?

    Here's a few better pictures; there isn't any official BSA print on the back; I suppose that means it's local issue? Thanks for any help you can offer.