Back Pack

4 minutes ago, David CO said:

Is it practical to require a male leader for every den activity. I don't think so. We don't have enough men volunteering in the cub scout program to do that.

 

Who cares. It’s about being fair and equal. Maybe they should have thought about that issue before they open the program to girls. 

1 hour ago, Pselb said:

  Every soldier is a candidate for the Medal of Honor, but I don't think they all put that down on their resume.

There’s a difference. An Eagle candidate is someone sitting for an EBOR. A presidential candidate is someone running for president. I wouldn’t say candidate unless you’re done and awaiting review. Otherwise I’ve had several people reviewing my resume or applications asking about my eagle status. I was happy to tell him them I made it. It made a difference since it spawned a question which lead to a great conversation. Got in to one school where this happened. Can’t say if the Eagle made a difference but it built a rapport with the interviewer. 

Depends. If you are just awaiting your EBOR then put it on there. If you are still working on requirements then I wouldn’t put it on. I had my EBOR schedule in november 2016 but was filling out college applications so I put candidate on my applications and resume. IMHO you’re not really a candidate until you’ve done all the requirements and are just waiting for your BOR. Until then you’re a Life Scout. 

51 minutes ago, cocomax said:

It is clear to me why BSA are putting this double standard into effect.

The venturing equal protection rules should be the new rules for cub scouts if they want to be fair,  but  they are not going to do that  .  . 

Because there are many current boy only cub packs that have female cub masters and leaders that would be breaking the rule and they would be shooting themselves in the the foot. . .  again. . .  by messing up existing cub packs.    

 

 

But then just say two deep leadership be it two men or two women or any combination. Putting in a double standard says we don’t trust men. Talk about sexist. 

18 hours ago, Eagle1993 said:

What is the Venturing YPT rules for Boy, coed and Girl only units?   I would think the den leader rules should be consistent with those.

Venturing has equal protection. If only guys attend an event either male or female leaders can attend, but there must be at least one male leaders. Same if all girls attend, a minimum or one female leader must attend. If boys and girls attend then one leader of each sex must attend. Boys sleep in their campsite and girls in theirs. Adults sleep in the adult site. So why have a different standard for coed cubs?

1 hour ago, gblotter said:

Using me as an example, I have to believe the unpopularity of this latest bungle has decimated donations. I have given my last dollar to FOS and I cannot in good conscience encourage others to donate.

They obviously don’t care what I think, so I’ll let my checkbook speak for me.

Exactly why I would pay a mandatory fos donation disguised as a registration or insurance fee. 

Thanks for the advice. Bsa was recruiting on my campus for staff. The pay was never mentioned but figured it was low. 

13 hours ago, David CO said:

Why is it wrong? 

It establishes a double standard. It says we trust trained women to be around boys but we don’t trust trained men to be around girls. That’s wrong. Either you treat everyone equally or you don’t integrate the program. With all the noise about equality and equal chances to put in a stupid policy like this just shows they’re not serious about equality. It’s just a buzz word to get their way. 

7 minutes ago, David CO said:

Not for me. Boys and girls are not the same. They should be treated differently.

 

So we don’t trust two men with a girls den but we trust two women with a boy den. That’s called a double standard. It’s wrong. 

8 minutes ago, Eagle1993 said:

I think she consistently states that her ranks are unofficial.  However, she is looking for official recognition.

Great. Follow the same rules everyone else has. Join Scouts. Start at Scout and work your way up. Too bad if that means you’ll be 20 when you make Eagle. I have dozens of friends who’d like special treatment too. Life shouldn’t work based on how loud you complain. Certainly an Eagle shouldn’t expect that. 

47 minutes ago, NJCubScouter said:

Evidently I skimmed too fast.

I can understand why they are requiring that for the girl dens.  There's no denying that it isn't the same as for boy dens.  I guess each person is going to have a different opinion about whether that's a problem, and how big of a problem.

I think a few of you owe that post in the other thread about girls getting what they want an apology. Clearly men are treated different than wormen and boys different than girls. That should be a problem for everyone here. 

32 minutes ago, oldbuzzard said:

Our council has been $144/yr for youth for National and Council dues for a couple of years now. It hasn't effected our existing scout numbers, just made fundraising for other stuff harder. That extra $111 to council that we get almost nothing for makes it harder to have higher troop dues for program.

I wouldn’t pay it out of principle. It’s not right or honest to compel people to pay for council operations if they can’t manage their own finances well. That’s a huge amount of money. 

23 minutes ago, MattR said:

Related story: My council is changing FOS to some other acronym. Not only that but next year each unit will be sent a bill for $200/scout. They can donate the money or sell popcorn or any of the other council fundraising. So last night at our district council meeting we were talking about girls and I asked what the GS council charges each youth. They looked at me funny so I explained to them that there are all these great plans for adding girls but do they know about this charge? If money is an issue and they have to raise $200 per scout to stay in the BSA but could sign up for probably much less if they go with GS, I asked them what they think the parents will do.

You are kidding? $200 per Scout? I’d drive to the next council and go lone scout. 

1 minute ago, NJCubScouter said:

Since I am at work I really just sped through the video with the sound off.  I saw some slides about leadership requirements but I didn't see what you are talking about.  At what time in the video was that?  (Or did one of the speakers say it without the words being on the screen, in which case I wouldn't have heard it since I had the sound off.)

5:44 there’s a big graphic. 

27 minutes ago, Eagle1993 said:

Found this video... Webelos uniforms are changing.  New patches.  More info on girls.

 

https://vimeo.com/249824630

F@mily4UnitLeaders

So you can have two women run an all boy den but have to have a woman present if the girls den leaders are men?

This was a great idea. We did something similar when I was SPL years ago. The guys really loved it. 

16 minutes ago, Jameson76 said:

Careful there...you will be pegged as one who is not inclusive supportive and liberating of these efforts.  Just get in line citizen, it is a big and colorful tent but no room for dissent 

30 minutes ago, Jameson76 said:

I wouldn’t say that exactly. Just want my safe space to be a guy. Btw I know you’re joking. 

It does when the boys didn’t want girls in their club house. 

Reset your phone’s keyboard and restart the phone. That should fix the problem. 

Since the program has not been officially released we really don’t know what bsa will do. They could do something totally different from what they’ve said they’d do. 

My scoutmaster would have reminded the older boys that a Scout is friendly and should invite the boy to play. Especially since he asked so nice. But you make it clear that he can play for 15 mins or so and then the boys can play by themselves again. I know because this happened to me. I was allowed to play but I also had to realize the older guys wanted to play with guys their own age. Everyone wins. 

How many troops camp far from outlets and flushies. 

How about using the kudu horn. Does the wood badge crowd have the African culture’s permission they stole that from? Doubt it. 

Usually just state parks, national parks, scout camps and private property in that order. Depends on activity. The guys drive where and we try to vary locations but we always have our favorites we want to do each year. Distance is not an issue since the adults don’t mind. Sm steps in to give advice if the plc tries to go too far on a Friday night drive.