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2 hours ago, ItsBrian said:
Many people in my troop are not fond of swimming, so I was just curious if they only had boating, fishing, etc.
If you’re not a proficient swimmer then skip Seabase. Any of their programs require being. Good swimmer and being able to demonstrate it.
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I know many guys at college who won’t just hang out with girls anymore. At least not alone. And we won’t have just one girl hang out with.a group of guys either. I’d not hang out alone with a girl. Too many accusations going around.
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Note that people are saying delivery of the traditional program leads to developing masculinity. Not all the changes and recent ad hoch things groups have chosen to infuse in to the program.
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@ParkMan as a recent youth member I would agree that if your troop just sticks to the program that guys will develop in to men and learn those skills. My best role models were my sm and asms. They let us run the troop but were there when we needed them. They did their own thing and we learned by watching them just be good men.
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I staffed nylt and we got simple leather patches hand made by the sm. I wouldn’t go too overboard. Gifts are not expected because it’s a honor to be asked to teach. I still have my leather patch.
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Reading this forum makes me want to stay away from scouting jobs and to stay single.
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Love Daniel Boone. I have so many memories from summer camp there twice. Great camp.
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Without the uniform they’re missing one of the methods of Scouting. Isn’t that 4H?
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$600 is obscene and most leaders I know would turn that down. A $50 plaque and a nice goodbye. A picture signed by all the scouts. Put the other $550 to use for the boys.
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Perhaps the discussions would focus on those things more if the issues and politics forum went away. And any mention of such topics were moderated away.
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22 hours ago, David CO said:
I agree with that. I have no objection to OA using an arrow as its symbol. Almost all cultures have used arrows. Yes, some things are universal.
OA is not just using universal symbols, and it is not just using "something" from another culture. OA groups choose a specific tribe and mimic the dress, ceremonies, names, customs, and culture of that tribe. It is appropriating the culture. Cultural appropriation is an appropriate term for what the OA is doing.
Ok. So wood badge is doing the same thing with the horn they use. I’m not sure appropriation is always a bad thing.
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2 minutes ago, EmberMike said:
It's standard in some industries. Not lame at all.
It is expected in some industries that some certifications appear in titles, or even right alongside someone's name. It's especially common in QA and regulatory jobs in pharma.
Which industries. I’m curious.
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1 minute ago, EmberMike said:
Even though that makes for sensational evening news drama, statistically it is extremely rare.
Should that matter when it comes to protection. It’s sad to hear adult leaders making a case for not protecting everyone. It’s a simple solution require a man to be present when male youth are present. We do this one Venturing all the time.
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49 minutes ago, scoutldr said:
I do judge grammar and spelling errors. It indicates a lack of attention to detail. I used to have a professional colleague who had business cards printed up listing his name as "John Doe, PhD (candidate)". There was another one who listed himself as "John Doe, MS, ABD" (all but dissertation). We laugh at guys like that...and certainly didn't hire them. Humility is an admirable trait.
People put ms or ba or bs in their titles? Really? That’s lame.
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6 hours ago, David CO said:
Yes, I do. The main reason being that boys and girls are different. Their needs are different.
What about all the females in the news getting caught with young men. Under bsa rules there would not have to be a male adult present. That wouldn’t make your co very happy if something happened.
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You can use crowd funding per national.
My council rep wasn’t sure until I showed him that it was allowed
https://blog.scoutingmagazine.org/2014/07/21/crowd-funding-sites-eagle-project-fundraising/
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So you’re arguing that the oath and law don’t imply that scouts should treat people equally and fairly? Really? Yes a scout gives weaker people more help and stronger people less but that doesn’t mean we treat them with regard to their rights and how we trust them differently. This is a trust issue and we don’t trust people differently. I sometimes think you guys just like to poke holes and argue. Are you really saying that all this isn’t about equality in some way.
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8 hours ago, EmberMike said:
Where has the BSA ever said this was about equality? That's been the motivation for many advocates of co-ed scouting, but never what the BSA has stated this is all about. The documentation we've gotten on this has stated that this was done in response to declining membership, to offer a "Family Scouting" program to busy families, and to share scouting's benefits and leadership training with as many youth possible.
Of course you can read between the lines there and say it's about equal opportunities for girls in the BSA, or likewise read between those same lines and say it's all about membership and money (an opinion I'd certainly share). But no where have I seen anything to suggest that all things would be equal throughout scouting as a result of this new policy.
True gender equality doesn't exist, not in the BSA and not anywhere in America. There will always be differences in how male and female scouts and scouters conduct themselves and are regarded as members. I didn't expect that to change just because girls are more involved now.
Read what Sarbaugh has said. He keeps saying that the changes are consistent with the oath and law. This means treating people equally. So while not specifically stating he’s doing it for equality the reference to the oath and law implies equality. There’s also a difference between how each male conducts themselves so your last argument is silly. Conduct doesn’t matter but rather how you treat people and there’s an implication from all these changes that everyone would be treated equally. To suggest otherwise is silly.
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2 hours ago, HelpfulTracks said:
I don't believe trying to run any organization by a consensus vote of the entire membership would work.
Seems to work for associations. They have referendums on large issues and elect board members for the day to day workings.
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They are missing the fact that many units have been using other software for years. They have data in those systems that would need to be entered in to scoutbook which is no easy task without bidirectional apis. I doubt bsa knows the data schema of the other vendors like they do. If they required scoutbook to be used that would be a huge mistake.
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1 hour ago, ItsBrian said:
Yes, BSA does have a say in the curriculum. They have a partnership and I read somewhere else they worked together to create WFA.
With which groups. There are many groups that offer wfa and I have taken it twice which was taught two very different ways. I know bsa works with ecsi but their course is different from the Red Cross which is different from nols.
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I don’t like the term cultural appropriation because it implies merely using something from another culture requires permission or constitutes misuse. There are things (bbq or tattoos for example) which are somewhat universal. There are things which are specific to a culture. But does using any of these things mean misuse. People argue using feathers and war paint is misuse of Native American culture. What about a chef that misused a native dish and cooks it poorly. What about Hispanic or Asian women with blond hair. These are examples of appropriation but with no ill intent. They use these things because they like them not to make fun of anyone. As stated above it’s impossible to trace many things back to a single source. If the users of any item appear to be trying to treat it with respect then what’s the harm.
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16 hours ago, Oldscout448 said:
I'm not bad maybe,but I ain't no Alvin York, those West by God Virginiains can some shoot.
Just wanted to show Alex that it's not all that hard.
True Story: Summer Camp sm shoot off between a guy from Texas and one from Georgia. All others had been eliminated. The Georgia guy gets up there and shoots a 48 then steps back and says “In Georgia we shoot for fun.” The Texas guys steps up and shoots a 49 and says “In Texas we shoot for food.”
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5 minutes ago, David CO said:
I find it somewhat ironic that your comment follows the same sort of attitude that prompted the changes. Fairness and gender equality.
As a matter of fact, I do care about consequences.
It’s ironic because bsa is allegedly making these changes to be equal and yet the pass a policy like this. I am merely pointing it out so the irony is bsa’s not mine. Also I believe in equality. The ability for girls to have their own same sex program just like boys.
Sunday Morning segment on the BSA
in Issues & Politics
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Blame someone else. Not the program or it’s mismanagement.