Back Pack

35 minutes ago, mashmaster said:

3 hours.....  WOW   Ours is maybe 30 minutes tops

It’s a big reason we do our own because no one wanted to sit through 2-3 hours of scouts and adults being called out. Instead we do ours before camporee and then hang out on Saturday night and do our own special camp fire. 

10 minutes ago, mashmaster said:

Our tapout is held at a district wide camporee.  It is pretty cool.

Ours is three hours long and boring so we do our own. 

Just now, mashmaster said:

Interesting, with the SPL?  what if he wasn't in OA yet?

He’s the spl so he’s the guy who runs the troop. Most spls have been in OA so it wasn’t an issue when I was in the troop. He needed to know so he could plan the logistics of the tap out with our ceremony team. 

14 minutes ago, mashmaster said:

Question for everyone, does your troop announce the elected nominees that night or wait for tapout?   We wait for tapout. 

We wait for tap out. Only the OA rep, the spl and scoutmaster knows the result. 

Our troop let’s each candidate stand up and be recognized so guys know who they’re voting for. We also announce their service hours and camping night. Our SM introduced this idea and the plc kept it because it really helped make it less of a popularity contest. 

This is a big issue in my city because we have huge troops. The big troops have figured out how to manage this. They set their date months in advance and have a fall back date. They have food as an enticement and they hold the election at the start of the meeting so that guys could vote and go. They also keep the OA announcements to five minutes then ballots are distributed. Votes are not counted until the end of the meeting so that guys who come late can still vote. My Lodge says the 50%+1 rule is in effect to have a quorum. 

10 minutes ago, Mattosaurus said:

So when I complete this form and send it to the office, will it even get signed in the first place?

Of course I’d attach a note explaining what had happened, but since I didn’t sign the form before I started fundraising, do we think that form will still go through? That is what the majority of my concern stems from. 

I would include your scoutmaster in this process if you don’t have an Eagle advisor. If I remember from reading the guide to advancement when I was doing this I think there’s a lot of leeway in terms of when you get certain things done and signed. I got mind signed when I got my proposal done but a friend got his signed days before he started. 

3 hours ago, Col. Flagg said:

He may had misread what @Tampa Turtle wrote, thinking it was the mom of the Scout in the BOR. You know, the Scout's mom sitting in on her son's BOR...which would be highly odd.

I did misread it that way. I thought it was the same mom in both instances. 

2 hours ago, Eagle94-A1 said:

 

Out of curiousity, which bakery and how much was the shipping?  Or did you go local? I ask because I could not find a decent king cake locally, and the bakeries back home I inquired about charged an arm and a leg for shipping. Wife had pity on my soul and started making them for me.

 

As for food, I love the traditional New Orleans Mardi Gras meal: Popeyes Famous Fried Chicken with cole slaw.

My dad went to school down there so we use a few different ones. The one we had was from Gambinos. We had a coupon so it was $35 for a large creamcheese filled cake. 

On 2/13/2018 at 8:05 AM, cyphertext said:

It's not for me, but I could see some aged out Scouts registering as adults to go play for the weekend!  

 

Depends on how many adults go and what age. No college guys want to hang out with a bunch of older men when I can go to an outfitter on the new river gorge and have a day with my friends and then go hike the Appalachian trail. 

A mom attended a bor and was worrying about fast tracking and enablement?

37 minutes ago, cyphertext said:

The instructions clearly state that if the beneficiary is doing the fundraising, then the form is not needed.  Requiring the form when not needed is adding an additional requirement and is a waste.  My son's Eagle Project was similar, with all material for the project being provided by the beneficiary through a grant that they received.  No fundraising form needed, and no one questioned it at all.

I don’t disagree but I was near 18 and I wasn’t taking and chances. If I didnt have that form I would have been held up in my bor. I might not have made Eagle or I would have had a ton of other paperwork to do to get past this guy. 

My old scoutmaster taught us in the plc to communicate using bullet points and declarative sentences. He said it helped make things clearer. I’ve never forgotten that advice. 

9 hours ago, cyphertext said:

Why would you advise him to fill out the form and send it in if it is not needed?  The beneficiary is doing the fundraising.  

For insurance. I had a similar issue on my project and I was advised to get the form completed and signed and it was a good thing too. During my ebor there was a district person who was not involved with my project wanting to hold up my bor and even credit for my project. I showed him my signed application and he dropped his issue with my project. The form is for funds and in kind contributions. 

Venturing crew had 12” buckwheat pancakes, Vermont maple syrup, Florida orange juice, chicken fried steak and king cake. 

There’s womansplaining too. It’s what happens every time my mom points out how my dad is doing something wrong. 

56 minutes ago, WisconsinMomma said:

It's going to be up to the adult troop leadership to help show boys with doubts that scouting is still great and there are great opportunities for them in Scouting. 

But the program has changed from what the boys have today. Summer camp will change. Merit badge colleges will change. By adding girls you are changing things from what they are today. 

36 minutes ago, EmberMike said:

That's exactly what Family Scouting is! Tagging along on campouts and meetings! Family Scouting is not just about general inclusivity, it's a specific program type, and it is not at the troop level. 

Just because an older girl program is mentioned in an introductory document on Family Scouting, a document that as previously mentioned has no detail on Family Scouting at either the Cub or Troop level, that does not mean that Family Scouting will apply to all ages of the program. 

I see no definition of family scouting so until there is one everyone is just giving their interpretation. 

3 hours ago, ItsBrian said:

I never said it was scout like, but I’m sure some scouts have done it. And he can’t follow the process if he broke the process unfortunately.

Actually you did  because fudging something means being dishonest. So the answer is to break the rules? That’s bad advice for someone trying to be an Eagle Scout. The answer is to be honest and contact your Eagle coach and district rep and jump through whatever hoops they require. He messed up and the honest thing to do is own up to his mistake and take the consequences. Not lie or be dishonest by back dating an application after the fact. 

3 hours ago, ItsBrian said:

He could fudge it all in honesty and have the SM and beneficary sign the date before he received money. But I think with $3000 requires a council signature. It depends on the district and/or council

How is fudging it Scout like? That’s pretty bad advice. A scout should follow the rules and the process. 

Why are we grilling other people on their views? I thought it wasn’t allowed in the forum. 

Talk to your Eagle coach and your district or council rep. It may not be too late to get the application approved. I wouldn’t go forward with out it. 

44 minutes ago, mashmaster said:

Depends on how it works for each unit.  For example our Charter Org sponsors 1 Pack, 2 Troops, and 1 Crew.  The Troops each have their own trailer and QMs,  The Crew is mostly backpack based so no trailer needed.  We also don't camp on the same weekends typically so if equipment needed to be shared, we could do it, but that might be hard to maintain long term.

How much of that coordination is up to the boys. The reason I ask is that when I was SPL I had a hard enough time getting my 70 scouts and families to get together as a troop. I cpuldnt imagine getting a whole second troop, pack and crew to coordinate. Sounds like adults are involved  to a certain extent laying out the schedule and then the boys fill in around it?

1 hour ago, mashmaster said:

Our Scout Exec told us that the information he has heard is that there will be seperate troops, but they could share the same COR, CC, and even SM (although they suggest that be different).  The PLC for each troop would be different, so that means the troops would operate differently.  My take on that information is that the troops may decide to co-exist but would have different meetings and different campouts with some shared meetings/campouts.

What about gear. I really think sometimes people don’t think through what this means. My troop had a hard enough time managing all our stuff and barely had space for what we had. And my unit leaders already gave a ton of time to us I cannot imagine them taking more time for a second unit. That’s a lot to ask. 

What takes the fun out of things is not adults stepping in to keep us safe. It’s adults stepping and running things for us. When I was a scout if an adult stepped in we’d just find another activity to do. We knew we needed adults with us in many cases but they didn’t always step in to ruin the fun. 

Sorry but sounds like lazy adult leadership. Cubs require two deep adult leadership at all times.