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    Jobs For Those Under 16

    Many places don’t hire until 16 even where I live. You can blame all the other irresponsible kids for that rule. Even older teens are equally irresponsible. In every job I’ve had at least half the employees have at one point walked out or called in for bad reasons. So employers hire older teens instead.
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    Eagle Scout Rank Patch wear after age 18

    I meant only the knot to differentiate between the badge and the knot and wearing both which is a no no.
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    Eagle Scout Rank Patch wear after age 18

    I am in Venturing and this is still true. I can wear my Eagle patch until 21 on this uniform. If I wear a Boy Scout shirt as a registered leader or college reserve I can only wear the Eagle knot. If I work at a council camp and am not a Venturer I can only wear the knot since only registered Venturers (boys) can wear the Eagle patch. I can wear the Eagle neckerchief with any uniform.
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    Advancement + Grade Level

    Happened to me. Best move my parents made. I wasn’t emotionally ready to go up with my peers though I had few friends then. Wasn’t a big deal. Scouting helped me grow up and learn to behave and make friends. It just got me to college one year after everyone else.
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    Ireland seeks Eagle now before she ages out

    As a recent Eagle I can back this up. No college I visited cared about Eagle. No college interviewer asked about it but they did ask about what I did in scouts. No job I’ve had really considered Eagle that much of a big deal. The internship I have now only asked me about Eagle because the guy interviewing me was a scoutmaster. Only scouting related jobs ever asked me about Eagle. My friends who are eagles have similar stories. I am fine with this. I climbed scouting’s Everest but it’s not like I’m going to use that to introduce myself at parties. It helped make me who I am but it’s not who I am, if that makes any sense. Off to biology.
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    Notification Settings

    I have the same issue. I tried to change in the mobile version (all I use because I can’t access the site from library computers) and can’t change this either.
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    Ireland seeks Eagle now before she ages out

    How manny scouts are former military or cops or politicians. It’s impossible to be Scout like all the time so yes it would be true that you can’t be Scout like all the time. We try to be but can’t always be.
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    Ireland seeks Eagle now before she ages out

    Then let her get Canada’s highest rank. She’s not a USA scout. Period.
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    Ireland seeks Eagle now before she ages out

    No. She has to start at Scout and work her way up. She has to abide by the same rules I did. She joins and earns Scout and then has to earn the other ranks. You can’t get credit for work before joining just like webelos and non scouts can’t get credit now. The requirements say “while a scout” which means a USA registered scout. If you bend the rules for her you need to bend them for everyone else. Why is she so special?
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    Council too tightly managing communication - Venting

    My best friend’s dad had a minor conviction as a college student. He was always very open about it and was turned down by bsa to be a leader or even parent. Still he worked in the background doing so much for our troop. He repaired the trailer and many other things. He always put it out there to us “don’t make my mistake” and everyone respected him for it. He wasn’t embarrassed nor was his son. My dad still let me hang at his house. I think you can have a policy like Col Flagg says and still allow people to keep their dignity. It’s all how you handle it.
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    Let's talk about the Eagle Scout journey

    @Eagle94-A1 got it. My parents stayed out of my way and let me succeed and fail in my own and I learned so much. A few of my friends had a lot of help from their parents and they are less able all around.
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    Ireland seeks Eagle now before she ages out

    She’s not even started the Scout tank yet. She’s got that to do firs and all the other requirements too. Just like I had to do. Unless bsa changes requirements to make even that easier.
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    Let's talk about the Eagle Scout journey

    The biggest issue with Eagle is the paperwork. The various requirements are easy. Leadership is easy though in big troops getting a slot when you want it can be a problem. MBs are easy but finding a class or the time to work on them can be challenging. It’s when you hit the project and the workbook that your eyes glaze over. None of my friends got through it without adult assistance of some kind. The younger kids who got through it had mom and dad help them almost entirely on the project and the workbook.
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    Council too tightly managing communication - Venting

    I have a question. If it’s a family camp out do the bsa rules apply? What about insurance? I ask because our Sm taught our PLC to consider these issues for educational purposes. He wanted us to be aware of the stuff the adults need to consider. I must admit it’s been a few years since I was jasm and I don’t recall hearing about how family camping is handled, mainly because we never did it.
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    Council too tightly managing communication - Venting

    Luckily if we use state parks they have rules against too many cars. Several parks require you to walk to your site. Our PLC would use these locations to combat parents car camping.
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    Ireland seeks Eagle now before she ages out

    Did we change topics? I get confused when we sometimes we’re told to stay on topic and other times we go so far off.
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    Eagle Project Workbook

    Ok. Now I had to google that too. I guess this is like when my mom has to google tinder or Snapchat or text slang. Can’t wait for my dad to chime in with walking home uphill both ways. Not like I didn’t hear that daily growing up.
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    Eagle Project Workbook

    Had to google “carbon paper”.
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    Council too tightly managing communication - Venting

    I’ve listened to my dad preach this to PLC during training every year, but wouldn’t everyone going rafting need a swim test and certain training? Don’t you need a trained adult to particant ratio too? I can tell you if my unit went family about 90 percent of the scouts would quit. We use scouting to be with friends and not hang with mom, dad and little sister.
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    Campfire Stories

    I missed something. We should have a PG13 area for those old enough. I feel like I’m at the kids table still.
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    Eagle Project Workbook

    Here’s the problem with that approach. The proposal is a high level document outlining what you want to do. The plan is the detailed method for execution of the project. That’s how I learned the most was developing and executing the plan. The proposal was meaningless except to lay out my rough idea. The final report forced me to think about what worked and what didn’t. It was a valuable step in helping me prepare for my bor and think through my project and it’s results not to mention how I demonstrated leadership. The only issue is that bsa does not require sign off in the plan so many guys I know wrote them after their project. What good is that.
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    Eagle Scout Proposal, before the proposal.

    I finished my Eagle in 2016. I used the workbook’s proposal section and printed off about four of those for each project idea I had. I used those because they helped me lay out my ideas. I used pencil so I could edit things easier. I met with several possible beneficiaries and discussed my ideas. 3 liked my ideas and one didn’t want me to do a project. I told them that I needed my Eagle coach’s approval on the proposal and that I’d let them know if the project was approved. I worked with my scoutmaster and PLC so that any project not approved for my Eagle would still get done by the troop as a service project. That way the work would still get done. I had the beneficiary sign the proposal once we reviewed the project idea and draft plan. That way I was all set if my Eagle coach and Sm liked it too. Does that help?
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    Eagle Project Workbook

    As someone who recently completed this document I agree it is very bad. The biggest issue not yet mentioned is the process of the three documents the workbook contain. The proposal is straight forward enough but could be refined a bit to capture more key elements of the proposal development process. The project plan should mirror the proposal but should include another signature or validation step. This is the detailed blueprint for doing the project and where kids need the most help. The report should be designed to help kids identify what went well, what didn’t and what they learned as a result. The current workbook seems like it was written by several people with several voices and is too hard to follow. I guess I did learn something in my 12th Grade English class after all.
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    Continueing Challenges of Adults Interfering....

    Wow. Our Sm would have had the SPL reschedule and have the PLC establish homework to be done before the rescheduled meeting. What a lost opportunity.
  25. I didn’t realize we had to stick to a single thread when responding. I haven’t seen that happen here since I joined. The race is bad because it almost always involves rushing. It’s bad because it almost always involves pushy parents. It’s bad because in another thread we have girls pushing bsa to allow corners to be cut. It’s bad because racing reinforces poor quality. If we’re being honest very rarely to we see any youth attain any stature without a high degree of adult pushing and prodding.
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