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But the point you guys are making was that the necker was the single greatest identifier of someone being a scout. I just showed that's not the only group of people who wear them.

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Neckers belong with knee socks and garters. Campaign hats for all? Wool uniforms? Neckers were add on to the original uniform. Then there's how neckers are worn? All rolled up like a bandana or draped like we do in the US?

How does one get black balled from district. Please PM me with instructions so I can get off their mailing list.

We see folks from California all the time. Does that count?

Help the troop. Kids with involved parents have a better chance of making Eagle and staying in.

If you lay things out for the pack as well and you've done here, and they don't understand and buy in, then I don't know what else you could do. Clearly you belong in the role. Good luck.

Out Philmont ranger would not let anyone camp outside the established Bearmuda Triangle.

Nope it doesn't. Eagle doesn't guarantee anything. It's the person not the rank. We used to have a saying in the military, "Salute the rank not the man".

BSA wants their employees to take training on checkpoint data security and privacy? Sounds fishy to me, if they mean BSA as in Boy Scouts. Now BSA Data Solutions? That's another story. The course title is about a security system for computer networks call Checkpoint. Highly unlikely you'd be asked to take that. Highly unlikely anyone at Council or national would take that unless they are a network or systems engineer.

Most Eagles I've seen making it by 16 have "Eagled out". Never seen one make it by 13-14 and stick around.

Problem solved. Boy solved.

So changing Boy Scouts is the answer? How long would bsa even keep Venturing if Boy Scouts went coed? Could time that with an egg timer.

But see? You still miss the point: - Change VENTURING to allow girls to join at 11. - Revamp the VENTURING program to allow MB-like activities. - Have BSA help folks like you invest your time building strong VENTURING crews. You see? I'd like my kid to get things they can't have too? Cheap student loans would be nice. But I don't tear down an entire organization to get my way. If people like you put your energy into BUILDING UP something -- say a cool new Venturing program that would give girls most of what you say, then you'd have TONS of support. But you'll continue to get

Never seen one. All have been 16+.

Do your Den. Pack is once a month. When done leave.

Seems to me a tree in the woods and a 105F outhouse are two totally different scenic and olfactory experiences. Hardly a decent comparison.

We use REI two man tents. They are inexpensive and last a long time. Haven't replaced ours in 7 years and they are in great condition.

@@The Latin Scot, if you mean what @Col. Flag wrote he did say in his experience. I have to say my experience mirrors the good Colonel. Scouts under 15 were never on par skillwise to those who were older. Not generalizing, just my experience. Yours may vary.

A name change is different than changing the program which you state won't happen. It's a boys program. Adding girls changes the program. Can't get any more fundamental than that. But why go coed. What's Boy Scouts got that Venturing doesn't?

But only one affiliated with the world organization.

It was a minority opinion among polled members. It was a majority opinion among council that voted for the change. Funny because it's like the electoral college in that sense. The majority wanted no change but a bear majority of those who were in charge of representing their members wanted the change. Had it been a memebership referendum it would have failed.

That's the point. They CAN'T join it because it's not for them. They don't want to join the group that IS for them, so they want to force open a place they're not wanted to make a point. If simply attaining the highest rank in their gender's scouting movement was their motivation, they would go for it. But that's not their motivation. It's to tear down what they can't have. Make no mistake, forcing open an all boy organization -- when there's a perfectly goo all girl option AND perfectly goo coed option -- is tearing down Boy Scouts.

Sorry but bsa COULD have ignored the gay and TG issue. Nothing was compelling them do change other than a minority opinion that change was "required".

Hate. It's simple. They want to tear down those establishments they see as entitled.