Appliancedude

Thanks for the responses everyone. This was the first year in at least 7 yeas hatbour pack has gone camping. So to ask them to do another one for boys that missed is not gonna go over well. My boys are wolves so I can't just take them camping. Believe me I would if I could. I think I've gotten them taken care of.

And I know the badge is. It the goal. Having fun learning and growing is the goal. But I also don't want upset boys who through no fault of their own don't receive their rank badge. I know they don't have to receive it, but it would be nice.

So our pack just went on its campout. I had 2 of my wolfs that couldn't make it. One due to mom going into the hospital and the other who had previous plans before the campout was scheduled. What constitutes a outdoor activity to satisfy the requirement? Our pack is doing a conservation project later this month cleaning up a local park. Would attendance there work? If it wasn't used for anything else? I do t want either of them to miss out on their badge.

Thanks

Dan

3/4 of the boys in our Lion Den are younger brothers of wolves/bears/webelos.  The parents do not want a separate organization, that meets separately on a different night/location.

That's our case as well. Ok 50%.

Thanks guys.  I'm gonna try and find something for the little guys before next weekend. 

We've also decided to let Lions participate in the Derby- they're racing in their own class. I can't think of any other Pack event they'd be excluded from??

Lions are not supposed to camp with the pack, do any fundraising, or shooting sports.  Shooting sports I get, but they don't get to sell camp cards? Or go on pack campouts? 

Howdy all.  So, my pack is one that is participating in the lion program.  Frankly I gotta say I'm not impressed.  The little Lions really get the short end of the stick.  They get no awards other than silly little stickers, they don't get to race at the pinewood derby (even though we chose to let them anyways). 

Anyways, our Blue and Gold is next weekend.  I'd really like to do something for the little guys.  Anyone have any ideas on what we can do for them?  How have you (those that are participating in the program) incorporated them more into the pack?

Thanks

Dan

Take him out to dinner.  My son is a wolf and I'm the wolf den leader. And your situation is a mirror image of mine.  I finally figured out why.  He's jealous.  I took mine out to dinner before a den meeting.  Just the two of us.  And we talked.  I asked him if he know why I was the den leader.  And told him it was all for him.  His response was "and everyone else in the den".  And we talked.  And I explained to him that no, it wasn't for them.  I did it for him.  That the others just got to benefit.  But everything I do in scouts is for him.  Complete turn around in attitude.

Good luck

Dan

So does anyone know if the parent guide requirement has to be done each year? And does the cyberchip award get recharged more than once?  My son did cyberchip last year in his tiger year and just did the recharge video.  Will he have to watch the same video next year to recharge it again? Or is there something different for his second recharge?

Thanks

Dan

I was thinking of contacting local wildlife chapters.  Wild Turkey Federation, Ducks unlimited etc to see if they need any help on projects

Personally I'd like to see our day camp, actually be all day.  It starts at 9 and pickup is 2;30  so even though my son has sold enough camp cards to get day camp for free, he wont be going.  I can't go in to work 1 1/2 hours late and get off 4 hours early. 

A hostile takeover is exactly what I want to avoid.  The current den leader as I said has been a disappointment.  He has not asked for any help and doesn't even communicate with his assistant den leader.  It wasn't until I took all the on line training, while I've been off with a knee injury, that I learned the parents were supposed to be helping lead adventures.  The day I had knee surgery, my wife had to take my son to his den meeting.  They were supposed to practice their skit, and learn a song for the next weeks pack meeting to fulfill the last requirement of tigers in the wild.  He showed up to bring his older son to a bear meeting and left because he had to get his mom home from the hospital.  Didn't communicate with anyone.  Didn't tell his assistant what song they were supposed to learn, nothing. What is the assistant for, if not to assist?  The boys didn't sing a song, and he narrated the skit for them. 

I've brought my concerns to the pack leader, and the committee chair.  They have both sat in on our den meetings.  Since there was not much time left, it's been decided to leave it alone until the end of May, and then they will deal with the situation.  My son is bored out of his mind.  As well as the other kids.  It's not been simple, and certainly hasn't been fun.  I've let the leader and chair both know that I would be happy to take the den over.  I really hope it can be accomplished with no hurt feelings. 

Thanks guys.  I'll give a little more info on why I ask the question.  Our den leader has frankly been a disappointment.  He does not use a den leaders guide at all.  Since we joined last Sept. we have done exactly 4 outings.  1 was right on the school we meet at's soccer field doing our 1 ft hike.  The 2nd was across the street from the school to a little wooded area.  Both of these were for backyard jungle.  We then, months later, like Feb went to a fire station for team tiger.  I'm not sure why because there is nothing in team tiger about that. And then we did our hike in mid April for tigers in the wild.  And now in May at the last minute we are cramming in the magic one.  And he wants us to do most of it at home, because next week is our last den meeting before our final pack meeting. The rest of the year has been spent in a classroom with zero activities.  Its basically a round table discussion with 6 and 7 year olds about the requirements.  We only have 4 boys in our den.  2 of them, the den leaders son and the assistant den leaders son have done no outside work on electives.  My son and my friends son who we got into scouting want to do extra adventures.  I get that the under the new program its basically impossible to do everything.  But I want my son to have fun and more experiences.  So I decided his visit to the fire station should also count towards safe and smart.  My friend's brother in law is a sheriff and is going to talk bicycle safety for rolling tigers.  I feel really bad for the boys.

Next year I'm hoping to take over and become the wolf den leader.  I will be using the leaders guide and planning a much more fun year.  But for those kids that can't make a outing or want to use one of our outings for a requirement on another adventure that they do independent of the meetings I wanted to know if it was ok. I'm going to be encouraging the boys to do some of the electives at home, since theres no way I can see getting through them all in just 1 hour a week.

I had the good fortune to be invited to a 3 day event in Napa last November. Maybe it was because the wine started pouring at noon and didn't stop until midnight but I dont recall any fog.

Because its not on the coast.  One of the best parts of Cali, is the great wines. 

So a question arose at our pack.  Can 1 outing be used for more that one requirement?  For example, for the Tigers safe and smart, the scouts need to merely visit a emergency response agency, and for rolling Tigers they have to go a police station and talk about bike safety.  Would the trip to the police station count for both electives?

Welcome to the forums - I thought you said Sunny California - I always thought of Northern California as Foggy (or maybe that's just San FrancisONl

Only on the coast lol

Hello from Nor Cal.  I just found this site a few days ago.   My son has been a tiger since Sept and I've been preparing for taking over as the wolf den leader next year.  Looking forward to reading through past posts to make next year exciting and fun for the boys. 

So, I'm new to scouts.  My son joined last September as a Tiger.  And scouts is nothing like when I was a kid.  I understand the new requirements basically prevent kids from getting their badge by blue and gold.  So keeping in mind kids love to accomplish stuff I'm wondering what the rule is for using one outing to work on multiple requirements.  For example.  The tigers have 2 electives that require a trip to a police station.  One for safe and smart, (which actually is any emergency responder) and one for rolling tigers to talk about bike safety.  So could that one outing be used for both electives?  Providing they meet the requirement.  I get that if time allowed going to two different places would be ideal.  However the adventures already take 2 to 3 meetings to complete, and if a boy wanted to try and earn all the adventure loops, multiple outings like this would be extremely difficult.