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https://www.foxnews.com/us/mormon-church-boy-scouts-sex-abuse-arizona

Here come the lawsuits against the charter organizations. 

Just now, CynicalScouter said:

They won't know. How many parents look at what their scouts are doing in the MB sessions? Answer: none.

They should be made aware. 

2 hours ago, CynicalScouter said:

3) What's holding up the process? "finalization of how merit badge counselors could be 'vetted' by local Council advancement committees/task forces." (only social justice warriors need apply?)

1 hour ago, CynicalScouter said:

I suspect this will require outside or additional certification or clearance by a district or council DE&I "task force".

Maybe the Council or district can get the local blm chapter or lgbtqxyz group to " vet" the mbc.  This wokeness will drive scouts, volunteers, and charter organizations away.  How much do you think the parents and churches will put up with.  Commence with the flaming and down votes. 

This may have been posted before.  If so, my apologies.

21 minutes ago, qwazse said:

How is it that counselors "injecting their own biases" is a problem here, but not for any of the other MBs?

Good question.

qwazse,

Injecting your bias on how to do a lashing or how to gather and use tender is much different, I hope you would agree, than injecting your bias on sexual orientation or gender identity.

21 minutes ago, ParkMan said:

what are the sensitive issues that people fear in the space of diversity, equality, and inclusion?

Think about the topics in the proposed requirements.  They may not be sensitive to you but to others they may be very sensitive or even offensive.  Your lack of sensitivity to their sensitivity is neither diverse, equal or inclusive.  All people do not think the same way.  I would hate to see the BSA turn into one big groupthink.

No one can teach this MB without injecting their own biases (major, minor, micro, or whatever the new buzzword is, conscious or unconscious, perceived good or perceived bad) into the instruction.  Therefore you are influencing on very sensitive matters, and that is why I say it is up to the Parent or Guardian.

It is not my place to teach or discuss any of these proposed requirements with anyone's child.  This is the responsibility of the PARENT OR GUARDIAN.  Therefore, if implemented, I will require one PARENT OR GUARDIAN of each Scout to become a MBC for this badge and teach their individual Scout.  This is such a powder keg how could anyone feel comfortable with teaching something like this to another persons child.  There are so many different political, societal, moral, etc. views that this would be impossible unless the goal is for everyone to think of things the same way, which would also be impossible.

5 hours ago, Cburkhardt said:

The girls in our Troop despise the braggarts on Eagle.  They are taking it slow and doing everything correctly.  I can’t but help thinking some of this is encouraged by media looking at king for “The first X” stories.

Very admirable of the Scouts in your Troop.

37 minutes ago, David CO said:

Nor would we want to.

Just saying.

I have to admit that, “Having both awards as a female now places Van Straten in an even more elite group nationally”, bothers me just a smidge. 

And then there is this.

https://www.wbay.com/2020/12/09/green-bay-teen-is-areas-first-female-eagle-scout/

Ava is a member of the national inaugural class of female Eagle Scouts. That class will be named in February.  In addition to that honor, Ava is the recipient of the Gold Award from Girl Scouts of the USA.  “Having both awards as a female now places Van Straten in an even more elite group nationally,” reads a statement on her accomplishments.

Males do not have this opportunity.

Cultural changes indeed.

12 minutes ago, David CO said:

I agree.  It is not unexpected.  The council execs have always wanted to have direct control of the units.  The current crisis is the perfect opportunity for them to justify a take-over.

A grab for unit assets?  Surely not. 

https://www.axios.com/boy-scouts-america-90000-sex-abuse-cases-f53d9d90-bbd0-460d-aa97-82782a03d991.html

Talking about the charter in this article. 

"Andrew Van Arsdale, one of the lead attorneys, called sex abuse an " unspoken norm" in BSA, per CNN."

THIS IS AN ABSOLUTELY DISGUSTING LIE. There is no shame among these vipers. 

35 minutes ago, Eagle1993 said:

Agreed, but no one is going to back the BSA now.  Expect the exact opposite.  I think everyone (lawyers, politicians, etc ) will extract their pound of flesh.  I wonder if our national charter survives.

Under a Biden-Harris administration, I doubt it.  The BSA is too easy of a target not to make an example out of at this point. They won't be able to resist. 

2 hours ago, yknot said:

Does BSA have any moral duty to inform their COs?

Yes, yes they do and when I asked the same question to the second in command of my Council (both of which shall remain nameless) he said that the Council has already done so. Will it hurt? Yes. Will some units lose charters? Probably, but it is the right thing to do. 

1 hour ago, CynicalScouter said:

Methodists. Presbyterians. I would imagine that many Catholic Dioceses/Parishes will file next. That would leave LDS and the Lutherans in terms of major religious organizations.

Don't forget the Baptists.  We are major in the South. 😁

2 hours ago, Treflienne said:

Do I understand correctly that your CO is considering not rechartering your troop?

Don't know yet. We will find out on Monday. If we are not recharted the Troop will probably disband. The press for the BSA is bad right now and I don't know anyone interested in chartering a Troop. 

On 10/22/2020 at 10:31 AM, CynicalScouter said:

Any remaining assets obtained with funds raised in the name of Scouting must be redeployed for Scouting use in the local area.

All of our Troop assets were obtained with funds raised in the name of Scouting.  So who does the redeploying for Scouting use in our local area?

9 minutes ago, CynicalScouter said:

RULES AND REGULATIONS OF THE BOY SCOUTS OF AMERICA September 2020
 

 

Thanks.

I'm sure this has been discussed before but I believe there was a change in 2018.

In the event of a Troop dissolving who owns the assets.  Troop bank account, trailer, chuck boxes, tents and all the other stuff that has been acquired over the years.

I always thought the CO owned the Troop and all of its assets but now I'm reading that the Council might have claim to some of it.

Our CO has given the Troop a place to meet and nothing else.  Not a dime.  The Troop has acquired everything on its own.

I just need a clear answer as to who owns what and what they can do with it if the Troop is not re-chartered.

22 hours ago, robert12 said:

From the Baptist Press

Boy Scouts bankruptcy could leave churches liable in future sex abuse claims

"Churches who chartered or have ever hosted a Boy Scouts of America (BSA) troop should seek legal counsel now in case they are named in future sex abuse claims against the BSA, a Southern Baptist legal representative told Baptist Press."



https://www.baptistpress.com/resource-library/news/boy-scouts-bankruptcy-could-leave-churches-liable-in-future-sex-abuse-claims/

My COR got a call from our CO, which happens to be a First Baptist Church, this morning.  The Executive Pastor has seen the referenced article and now the CO wants me(Scoutmaster) and COR to meet with the Executive Pastor and the church's lawyer.  Not sure how this will turn out.

I meant to say mentality.

17 hours ago, yknot said:

The Eagle or Else outlook is not a plus for scouts. The whole concept of pushing to First Class in the first year is a part of it. 

I agree and I discourage the "First class in a year" mentally. 

The point is that Scouting is not a race, it is a journey.  It is a disservice to a female or male Scout to simply rush through.  The journey is there to build friendships, comradery, self-esteem, self-worth, self-reliance, social skills and all the other things that come with spending time doing something well.  I do not agree with attaining the rank of Eagle in such a short time, whether they be male or female. 

1 hour ago, RememberSchiff said:

Counsel for The Waite and Genevieve Phillips Foundation (Philmont) has arrived, requesting service of papers and reservation of rights.

https://casedocs.omniagentsolutions.com/cmsvol2/pub_47373/839320_1093.pdf

Will this mean that Philmont is no longer open for treks until this is settled?