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  1. Has anyone ever done the hike from Elk Park flag stop on the Durango and Silverton RR to the Needleton flag stop?

    Here is a link.  https://www.alltrails.com/explore/trail/us/colorado/elk-park-to-needleton?mobileMap=false

    36 mile point to point.

    I know it is beautiful because I have ridden the train a few times.  I think the Scouts would get a kick out of riding the train to the drop off, doing the hike, and then meeting the train to take you back. 

    We are low landers and I'm always afraid of altitude sickness.

  2. 25 minutes ago, skeptic said:

    It works fine with Cubs.  One or the other, or both.  No reason it cannot work with older youth.  It is all a bunch of nonsense that somehow they cannot mix.  In really small units, we lose that option for the random girl to join.  As long as you keep the leadership, male and female, in order and follow the YP guidelines there should be no issue.  As far as girls and boys and leadership is concerned, the boy that is ready will not be buffaloed by a slightly more mature girl who like to take charge.  That is, in my view, basically faux psychology based on 20 years of subbing in middle schools and lower, and simply watching them at camp where all girl units have little issue mixing when necessary.


    Fair points but in the end not my decision.  CO has made it pretty clear since 2019 when the decision was made to allow girls.

    I think I know that fish in your signature picture.  MTCBSA?


  3. 5 minutes ago, Eagle1993 said:

    if you have no co-ed Troops in the area, I could see the council starting to pressure some of the all boy Troops to consider being co-ed.  I also wouldn't be surprised, if eventually, BSA would require all new units to be co-ed.

    My CO would not go for that at all.  We would loose our Charter.  That is something the BSA needs to consider if a co-ed decision is ever made.  Many CO's won't support this and many Troops could be lost.

    8 minutes ago, Eagle1993 said:

    If BSA does open up co-ed Troops, I hope they respect the wishes of units looking to remain boy only.

    I hope so too.

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  4. 2 minutes ago, yknot said:

    It just highlights the need to have the co-ed troop option available because that would solve something that is only going to come up more and more frequently. Many units are operating that way in practice anyway, so there is not much BSA precedent to stand on when so many councils are already "looking the other way."  There is no way for BSA to "win" on this issue, even if the mom should lose a lawsuit.

    Co-ed Troops might solve it for some but they will cause problems for others.  Will every Troop have to be co-ed?  Probably.  Once you start there is no way back.

    My Troop wants to remain an all male Troop.  The BSA implements co-ed Troops with the option to stay single gender Troops if desired.  A girl or a transgender male or a transgender girl want to join my Troop.  What leg does my Troop have to stand on?  None because the BSA willingly or unwillingly just cut us off at the knees.

    We will argue that we are allowed to be a single gender Troop.  They will argue that they don't care.  They want to be a member of our Troop and the BSA has set the precedent by allowing co-ed Troops therefore they want our Troop to be co-ed too.  Then there will be the bullying with threats of legal action.

    See where I'm going with this?



  5. 2 hours ago, ThenNow said:

    I’m not sure if this is widely known. Thoughts?


    I just read this article before I saw your post.  Unfortunately this is an issue we are likely to see more of.

    "But Skylar has been a member of the all male Troop for six years.  What's the big deal if he identifies as a female now?  We don't understand why he can't continue with the Troop?  What are you going to do about this Mr. Scout Executive, Council, BSA?  We're going to sue."

    Any bets on how long it will take the BSA to cave on this one?



    38 minutes ago, RememberSchiff said:

    Some questions

    Can an employee be a member of more than one Workforce Resource Group?

    Can employees form a new workforce group, say

              Indigenous Peoples of BSA workforce

              Underpaid PE's workforce Union

              I Don't Have a Sense of Belonging Either workforce group


  7. 3 minutes ago, Navybone said:

    So you do not think that it is worth giving BSA the opportunity to develop and implement a worthwhile DEI program not based on CRT? 

    Didn't say that at all.  What I said is that when and/or if any component of CRT is included in the training or merit badge I'M NOT TOUCHING IT WITH A TEN FOOT POLE.  

    Are you saying that you would like CRT incorporated with DEI?

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  8. 10 minutes ago, Navybone said:

    Did BSA says its DEI programs would be based on CRT?  DEI does not equal CRT. 


    13 minutes ago, tnmule20 said:

    Now, the minute this training or merit badge includes components of CRT all bets are off and I won't touch it with a ten foot pole.

    "the minute" is Southern for when and/or if.

    10 minutes ago, Navybone said:

    DEI does not equal CRT. 

    Maybe not yet.  Give it some time.

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  9. I took the DEI volunteer training today and it wasn't terrible.  Diversity, it is inevitable, even within the same race.  Inclusion, of course we include all of our Scouts and Scouters.  Pretty much common sense.  Equity, I get it to an extent but it can also be used as a crutch.  Be a good person.  Treat others the way you would like to be treated and I think the world is a better place.  The training goes over what any normal, high-functioning human being should already know and be doing.  Now, the minute this training or merit badge includes components of CRT all bets are off and I won't touch it with a ten foot pole.

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  10. Scouting’s Tradition and Commitment to Diversity, Our Continuing Journey

    Elizabeth Ramirez-Washka, BSA’s Chief Diversity Officer & Vice President of Diversity and Inclusion

    Scouting’s rich heritage has stood the test of time for more than 110 years. Together we have grown and evolved with changing times while always holding true to BSA’s core ideals and values such as kindness, integrity, respect, courtesy, and care for others. Ideals like the Scout Oath and Scout Law have prepared millions of children for a lifetime of leadership and success.

    Today, I am focused on making sure BSA will continue going strong well into the next century. Since being named BSA’s first Chief Diversity Officer a year ago, I and others have worked diligently to ensure our organization represents and reflects the diversity of our society and the communities we serve.

    To do so, we must identify new opportunities to expand our relevance and reach with families and communities, reinforce our commitment to “help other people at all times,” and have an even greater impact on our youth.

    We are building on our enduring legacy with a series of initiatives that I am excited to share with you. We started by defining our mission and vision for diversity, equity and inclusion (DEI) that aligns with our overarching mission and vision statements as an organization, and guides how we’re focused on advancing diversity, equity and inclusion.

    DEI-CDO-HEADSHOT.jpg Elizabeth Ramirez-Washka, BSA’s Chief Diversity Officer & Vice President of Diversity and Inclusion

    BSA DEI Mission: To promote a culture where every youth, volunteer, and employee feels a sense of belonging and to build communities where every person feels respected and valued. 

    BSA DEI Vision: To partner with all families and communities in raising young people of high moral character, developing their leadership skills, and preparing them to serve and thrive in a world of increasing complexity and challenge. 

    Internally, we have taken several important actions to make our organization even stronger, to better support our existing staff and volunteers, and to more accurately reflect the communities that we serve.  Some of these actions include:

    • Hosting multiple listening sessions with parents, volunteers, and supporters to hear their perspectives and learn more about how we can grow and connect with new audiences in creative ways.
    • Strengthening our board-level DEI advisory committee to ensure BSA fosters an inclusive environment where all youth, employees and volunteers feel welcomed and find a place of belonging.
    • Creating DEI training for all employees and volunteers to advance understanding of diversity, equity and inclusion, and offering resources to enable meaningful dialogue. Almost 6,000 BSA employees and over 4,000 volunteers have already completed the training.  
    • Appointing DEI leads for each of our 16 National Service Territories to partner with the leaders and troops within their territories to implement and advance our commitment to DEI. As part of this effort, we are also implementing new programs to increase recruitment and retention of diverse employees. 
    • Expanding and further supporting our five Workforce Resource Groups for employees – for members of the affinity and their allies– APACK for our Asian Pacific workforce, BSA View for our LGBTQ+ workforce, LISTOS for our Latino workforce, RISE for our women’s workforce, and The Village for our Black workforce. Each Workforce Resource Group aims to cultivate an environment where employees can seek support, mentorship, networking, and opportunities to educate, generate awareness, and foster a culture where everyone has a sense of belonging.
    • Finally, we have collaborated with nonprofits and youth organizations to learn best practices and identify opportunities to advance the ideals of DEI throughout our communities and society. We’re invested in continuing to collaborate with other nonprofit youth organizations to learn from one another’s experiences and brainstorm innovative approaches to continue to cultivate a culture of belonging as we try to better reflect the diversity we see in our communities. 

    Soon, we will be announcing our newest merit badge. While still currently in development, this merit badge will help Scouts learn about the diverse, unique identities and characteristics we each possess, understand different perspectives and experiences, and learn how to encourage an inclusive and welcoming culture in Scouting. Additionally, we have been reviewing and will continue to review every element of our programs to ensure diversity, equity and inclusion are ingrained at every level for participants and volunteers.

    These are among the first steps to strengthen BSA as an organization and unlock the incredible potential of Scouting to more communities than ever before. We have a long journey ahead, but with the passion for purpose shared by our incredible staff, parents, volunteers, our Scouts and supporters, I know we can get there.

    Like many of you, in the years since I first joined Scouting, I have immersed myself in its rich history and traditions, including earning my Wood Badge in 2018. Together, I know that our collective deep personal investment in the future success of this great organization will continue to keep it a vital part of the fabric of this nation well into the future. I am excited and passionate about the opportunity my role provides in empowering me to help advance diversity, equity and inclusion in my community, our society and our nation.

    Prior to joining BSA, I devoted my career to helping others as a corporate labor and employment attorney. My passion for law stemmed from an experience I had as a young child with my grandmother. She was a first-generation American who did not speak fluent English; the bilingual attorney who helped her inspired me to become an attorney and ignited my passion to help ensure all have a voice and feel a sense of belonging.

    As a mother of two daughters, I think we can all agree that raising our children to be more empathetic, kind, respectful and inclusive is one of the best things we can do as parents. I believe these expansions to our organization and programming will ultimately open the door to enable more youth to benefit from Scouting, and to make our Scouts even more effective leaders and members of society, while positioning BSA as an essential, relevant experience that upholds the trusted values of Scouting, such as “to do a good turn daily,” as we should all aspire to do, for many years to come.

    Yours in Scouting,


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  11. 20 hours ago, WisconsinMomma said:

    I wonder if the verse with "mom and dad" still works for Scouts in the 21st century.  I very much appreciate moms and dads, but I wonder if this verse is painful for any Scouts. 

    What a sad time we live in.

    20 hours ago, WisconsinMomma said:

    the camp store should carry feminine hygeine products along with the stuff they have.

    Pack it yourself, whether you think you might need it or not.  "Be Prepared"

  12. 3 hours ago, MikeS72 said:

    The tn in tnmule20 would not happen to refer to Tennessee would it, and if so, would you now be a newly minted member of Wa-Hi-Nasa Lodge #111?

    Yes, my son and I went through the ordeal this weekend. Thanks to all that put on the weekend. 

  13. 16 minutes ago, Oldscout448 said:

    These are the scouts who are doing the heavy lifting in their respective troops and for many the Order is one of the main reasons they stay in.

    I heard this exact thing talking to people at the Induction cracker barrel last night. 

    I am the Scoutmaster of our Troop and I would never think about denying any Scout the opportunity to be in the Order of the Arrow. 

    Very unfortunate for the Scout in question. 

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