lepzid

Hello,

I have an official update to the original question.  This answer is per The District Commissioner:

Ineligible Volunteers (those rejected by BSA application background checks to become registered with BSA) are NOT allowed to be active in Troop or BSA activities.

This means the applicant is not allowed to attend weekend trips or to be an unregistered volunteer in any BSA activities.  We were told that the applicant should follow the instructions per the rejection letter and to "sever all ties with the BSA" at this time. The only course of action for the rejected applicant is to file an appeal and plead their case.

We were told to expect in the near future that all volunteers will have to be registered with the BSA to participate in Troop activities.  In fact, our Unit Commissioner Chairperson (volunteer head of District) (member of another Troop) mentioned that they attended Summer Camp with unregistered parents and the Disctrict Commissioner (paid head of District) was not happy at all upon hearing that.

As I mentioned before, joining and participating in the BSA is a voluntary membership for the adult applicant.  It is not a right of the applicant to be able to join or bypass the decision of the BSA application process. As unsavory the language of the decision may be, it should now be considered FACT, that the BSA has the final determination on who is and can be registered and active with the BSA youth membership.

Thank you for all your input, opinions and attempts at answering this question.

At this point, this question is now considered solved: No means no.

Hello,

A Life Scout has performed 88 hours of work on his own Eagle Project.

I am aware that the hours get listed in his workbook.

Do those hours also count as Service Project hours in other record keeping, such as Troopmaster, so that when the Life Scout goes to his Eagle BOR, it also shows those hours?

Looking for policy determination not opinions!

Thanks.

"If National decides a volunteer is ineligible, he can observe only as a parent."

Where did you find this in policy or is this your opinion? 

This is the gist of the entire thread. Parents are allowed with YPT to attend weekend trips, are ineligible volunteers allowed to do the same?

LOL....I was in the woods all weekend (most of the weekend) and just got back. My suggestion was going to be to check your mobile settings. Great minds.

 

BTW, how to do you back up your DB? If you are not using dotnet you might want to load that regularly to an offsite cloud file site just in case.

I back up the database regularly and it gets synced to 2 other hard drives within my network.

Solved.

Option in File, TM Mobile about Auto Process MB's for those have have write access for Advancements was not checked.

Checked it.

Synced TM Mobile.

Synced Desktop to TM Web.

Completed MB's entered via TM Mobile showed in all areas.

@@lepzid how do you sync other users' desktops if you don't use donnet?

No one else has a desktop version. They enter via Troopmaster Web or, recently, TM Mobile.

Thanks for the reply.

I am the Troopmaster Administrator with the master DB and ability to sync the master DB to Troopmaster Web.

1) Database is backed up.

2) We do not use dotnet.

3) Moot since we dont use dotnet.

4) Master desktop was synced to Troopmaster Web. TM Mobiles were synced before and after.

TM Mobile (for the test change I made on one Scout) still shows the completed Merit Badge but not in TM desktop or TM Web.

I should have noted that I also tested connectivity by adding an attendance update on a previous activity and it updated it properly in all areas.

Additionally, I am the only person in the Troop that has the desktop version and the ability to sync.

Thank you again for your time and any further assistance.

Completed Merit Badges were entered into Troopmaster Mobile (TM Moblie) for 2 separate Scouts.

TM Mobile was synced.

Desktop version of Troopmaster was synced with Troopmaster Web.

Completed Merit Badges were not shown completed in desktop Troopmaster or in Troopmaster Web or in other TM Mobile apps on other phones.

Any suggestions?

Thanks.

As far as which adults from the CO can associate (volunteer) with scouts, I think National and Council can dictate as per Charter Agreement

http://www.scouting.org/filestore/pdf/524-182WB.pdf

This is my biggest concern.  From my understanding, all adults on a trip are supposed to be listed on the Tour Permit filed with Council, so the applicants name would appear on official paperwork.  I want to make sure that the applicant is eligible to stick around after being placed on an Ineligible Volunteer File.

The BSA is a voluntary membership program and you are granted the privilege of being involved, no one has a right to join or be included in any way.  Even as it says "parents can view all activities" that really only based on the fact that your child was accepted into the BSA.  I also believe National and Council has every right to dictate with whom a CO or Committee Chair decides, as the adult application goes UP to National and Council for their approval AFTER our approval.

We don't agree on much but here we do. We will refuse any adult the privilege to drive scouts if they have a DUI. We ask they disclose and we do our own check at the CO level. No one with a wreck less driving or DUI can drive our scouts, period. Any accident or judgement against a driver also puts them out. Small stuff and minor accidents or violations are okay. Stuff happens. If not at fault also not a problem. Otherwise, no driving.

Understood and I respect that decision and your Troop has the option to do that.  Who's to say though that the person should continuted to be punished a decade after they were legally punished?  How about anyone who's ever, even while driving solo, exceeded the speed limit? Isn't that a dangerous action that is poor judgement? Not real interested in furthering this line of topic, just thoughts I wanted to share and I digress.

The one really key thing to do is to not gossip about this and humiliate the parent.

Only the Scoutmaster, Troop Committee Chair and myself are aware of the status.  We are a well run Troop with 13 Registered Committee Members and 26 (all filled) non-Committee volunteer positions.  This forum is a preliminary research vehicle and it will be discussed with Council for actual ruling on the conflict at hand.  If Council and National say "No ties, no attendance" then so be it, the applicant can appeal.  If Council and National say "No official registration, attendance on weekend trips is fine" then it will go to our Committee for discussion and ruling at Troop level.

Thanks again for all the input and advice.

Financial crime could mean bank robbery.

Per application and a followup email from applicant to me, it was "forging a financial instrument" (i.e. theft via bad checks), it was also about 15 years ago. 

Interestingly enough, a DUI was also disclosed. I dont think the DUI disqualified the applicant because another adult app also had DUI and was approved with no problem.

I asked the applicant to restrain from immediately replying so they could do it with a cool head.  My main concern is that if National said "sever all ties" and policy is "parents can view all" where is the line for this person.  Yes, I understand its for the applicant to find out for himself, in his case.  I'm trying to figure it out so we also have the correct information.  I thought I would give this forum a try for any policy guidance. 

Per BSA, National's CBC is performed by LexisNexis.

Thanks again for info so far, still lookong for any actual policy regarding the conflict.

Please note: I dont have emotions, so they weren't involved.

I am of the attitude that if National says "No", Im good with that.  It does conflict with the parents being able to view and be involved.  This is the only reason why I am looking for clarification in Scout policy before approaching the applicant who has asked for assistance.

I was only told by the Registrar that the applicant was rejected by National and the applicant told me about the letter they received. As of today, the Troop has not eeceived communication from Council or National.

There does not appear to be a publicly available copy of what the standards are that could cause someone to not meet the 'high standards' and to be placed in the 'Ineligible Volunteer' file.

The applicant is a parent who we are OK with because of the strong relationship between the Scout and applicant. My concern is exactly that National has rejected them and if the Troop would be subject to sanctions if the applicants name showed up on an injury report or sunmer camp list.

I appreciate all the feedback so far.

Can anyone point to actual policy? The conflict is as a parent, they should be able to be present and active per BSA guidelines but National has said 'sever all ties'.

I wanted to have as much information available to me before approaching Council, which I'd prefer not to do if there is mo chance for the applicant.

An adult leader was rejected and placed in "Ineligible Volunteer File".  It was a financial type crime per the adult app.

Essentially, the rejection letter said "sever all ties with Scouting as you don't meet the high standards of the BSA"

Does this also mean the applicant is ineligible to be an "unregistered" active adult? No weekend trips? Troop meetings?

Google is no help with the actual question.

Any information is appreciated.