ShootingSports

One of the best quotes I have provided any volunteer in our organization.  "If your not happy, pick up your toys and play in another area". I have told youth, leaders and professionals this.  Discouragement is tough to deal with, not matter where in BSA.  I try to tell myself, all scouting happens only at the unit level (and all units are run by volunteers)

One of the ten essentials.....

Organization run by volunteers or professionals? .........Failure at "council" is failure of volunteers........ just my 2 cents. 

What has happen to Volunteer run and Professionally advised? 

Nothing Better

Why Not?

Why Asking?

Devine Revelations

Character Development

What's Better?

Prepared Life

Is there a limit?

On 3/6/2023 at 2:30 PM, DuctTape said:

 

Still zero rationale for why a two-night campout is inherently more unsafe than a single night to the level which necessitates its prohibition.

Pure speculation on rationale : 2 nights require a lot of resources that a number of packs would not be prepared to host.  Cost of the events increase significantly for the 2nd night (putting a strain on CS parents). 2 nights is an exhausting pace and fatigue leads to accidents. Dont want competition with our own camps.  National might have seen pattern in reported injuries and correlated to two night stays. Our program is "progressive" in advancement ( 1 night for CS and more for BS). NCAP kicks in and requires significant planning to comply (Units not prepared whereas Camps are (or at least should be).

Seven potential reasons......

The difference seems to be in Unit camping on their own and not on council property - limited to one night.  

Council camp with program provided then 2 nights is ok.

23 hours ago, Eagle94-A1 said:

If "overnight" only means one night, then why is the definition of a Webelos Scout Overnight defined as "Webelos Scout overnighter

A one- or two-night campout by Webelos Scouts and their parent or guardian."

https://www.scouting.org/resources/los/

 

 

Cause you can camp at a Council camp with their provided program covered under NCAP

1 hour ago, Eagledad said:

Your past post over the years say you do think you know why.

Do your research ShootingSports, I did a lot of membership research in the past that often enlightsens and corrects the forum list. Good data is worth its weight in gold because it gives you direction for your program.

Barry

I have done research, but my conjectures in the past have been based on speculation.  However, I still looking for the pot of gold, someone else has mined.

I was truly taken aback that our National organization does not have this data readily available.

So, in our area we have a 0.9% market share of total available youth.  That leaves 99.1% not in scouting. 

Does anyone have survey data on what this 99% are doing with their time and their kids? 

Not looking for personal stories, I am looking for true survey data that has demographics, economic, social, and interests data. 

Anyone???? (Yes I asked at National)

Completed it with fake email......Ya its a donation pitch

On 8/5/2022 at 12:01 PM, Eagle94-A1 said:

Had several meetings this week about what is going on in Scouting. . Apparently I am spreading rumors since I keep up with the bankruptcy , state what is being told in court (via this site and others), and ask questions that the PTB either do not want to answer, or do not know the answer because they are not informed.

I asked about council mergers since BSA plans to downsize the number. Answer is council mergers wont be happening if goals are met. I asked about why we are investing in a camp, when the merger possibility exists and the camp will get sold. Told again no mergers are going to happen if goals are met. Asked about when the changes to YPT will occur, and was told  I am spreading rumors.

Sad thing is I find out more here and on other sites, than I do from my council.

Same here for getting info.  Better hear than my BOD. and thank you Eagle94-A1 for your work on this here.

Heard somewhere "Change Happens" and you need to roll with the flow.  My favorite is "Do you want the windows of the Church broken from the inside or the outside?"  Our personal uniforming can be a reflection of the ideal.  However, I want "them" at the meeting, so at least the see the ideal.  Just a thought.

Liars, Damn Liars, and then Accountants.......lol

Net means revenue less expenses.  So, profit (or loss in this case).  You would have to know the expenses charged to really know.  Was the Development personnel salary included?  How about the SE? Did your camp charge for use of its facility separately?  Any allocation of operating overhead to support (which might have to get paid even if you didn't have event?)

Worth asking about though if they are not profitable and  costing cash.......

Shooting Sports – Fiesta!

 September 18-24, 2022 –PHILMONT TRAINING CENTER

https://www.philmontscoutranch.org/ptc/ptc-conferences/

Register by this link.

The Shooting Sports Fiesta is an innovatively spicy program for BSA Shooting Sports.  We will be introducing you to several zesty activities to do with all your Scouts.

Some examples of things being planned:

·         Shoot rimfire rifles out to 200 yards!!!!

·         Introduce and shoot a rimfire Shooting Competition

·         Muzzle loading shotguns – What a blast

·         Know Your Limits (KYL) targets for Scout Camps and other great new targets

·         3 Guns – How to for Venture

·         Cowboy action range – Bring your best Western wear Cowboys and Cowgirls

·         Air soft – What happen to it?

·         Chalkball/Paint ball – Wait, did you say paint? What does BSA allow?

·         LaPorte archery disks is for Sporting Arrows– Think your good, think again…….

·         Introduce a novel kind of slingshot – Innovation in action

Events will be focused on you and your shooting experience.

·         Shooting a rifle at 1001 yards (Summit Bechtel Reserve has a 1000 yard range. We had to be one yard better.) Will you hit the White Bull?

·         Sporting clays – Possible trip to the NRA Whittington Center

Educational sessions you have never heard of:

·         NRL 22 What is that?

·         NRA First Steps – How does that help with merit badges?

·         Shooting at a clays range as a beginner – What do you need to know and do?

·         Profitable Camp shooting operations. Wait this can make money for us??

·         Beyond just cleaning your guns with Hoppes No. 9

·         Hunting in Venturing – How do I make that happen?

·         The newest release of the BSA Shooting Sports Manual will be reviewed live by contributors! Ask your questions and give your Feedback.

·         The Week we will be doing a wide range of shooting activities following Shooting Sports Manual and the Guide to Safe Scouting that you probably are not doing at home with your Council.

Bring your competitive spirit. The SSF will be having a shooting competition for some of these activities.

Come join us for the time of your scouting life with loads of fun and learning spicy opportunities.

Questions? email Wesley Romberger at glaacshootingsports@gmail.com

Promo Shooting Sports Fiesta with Reservation.pdf

New manual has been released into the wild.  Go to the page to see if updates are occurring.....

https://www.scouting.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/02/Shooting-SportsManual_02.11.22.pdf

Poll on prices for patches

1. No. MBC are registered as Code 42 or 42F (required to pay fee). The District Dean of MB will OK the skill sets required and approve the MBC (hence District involvement).  The MBC has the option to list as "Troop Only" or willing to accept any scout.

2. No.  They are generally all listed on a district wide available list.  However, as noted they have option to be their Troop only

3. Answered above.

9 hours ago, scoutldr said:

A solution in search of a problem?

When you don't look, you don't see the very problem that is in front of you.  So, to answer...No....

@GiraffeCamp

Please reach out to me to discuss further. glaacshootingsports @ gmail .com 

BSA and Shooting Sports should always be inclusive.  I have been advocating and promoting this for years.

What are the issues you would want to see covered for DEI with regards to shooting sports?

Awesome posts.  

FYI. Full Blackpowder Instructor course is being offered at Philmont Training Center Sept. 26-Oct 2.  Will cover both the Basic course and the Instructor course.

W

So, it appears that National is eliminating certain sub-committees for specific outdoor programs.  Why in the world would you shut down successful teams that support local councils in the delivery of our core programs? This is not an issue of a professional being let go, but telling volunteers they are no longer to offer support in your area.  Isn't outdoor program the core of what we do?