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  1. Didn't an adult sign off on the skill that the adults now think the scouts don't know well enough? Ooops.
  2. In our Troop the SM signs off on Star, Life and Scout. This is just verification of something that was done, not teaching and testing a new skill. Those requirements lead to a nice discussion. What did you teach for this requirement. What did you find interesting about each merit badge? What did you learn about leadership in your POR? Why add another step when the same discussion is part of the SM conference? I don't like the idea of testing the teacher by testing the scout at the BoR. TRUST them. Ultimately, the boys learn to be proficient at the skill. After 3 years my son knows his knots and lashings inside and out because he has had to use them and teach them so frequently. If the program is built right they master the skills by using them.
  3. Your points are spot on. Three thoughts. First, the youth will never learn the skills, the ability to teach or how to be responsible if they are not given the chance. Second, our PLs / APLs / TGs sign off in the boys book and it is recorded in Troopmaster when the boy attains the next rank. So it's not complicated. Just test and sign. Third, it works in other Troops. Enough said.
  4. Hedgehog

    Guide to Safe Scouting

    We went to Camp Tuscarora in New York. On check in my son asked about the sheath knives, throwing knives and throwing tomahawks we had packed. The ranger said, "if they are legal for the BSA, they are legal here." I typically carry a Ontario RD-7 and my son carries a Becker BK-9 when we go backpacking. The cool factor more than compensates for the extra weight.
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    Chaplain's aid prayer policy

    @@David CO., Thank you for your response. I understand what you are saying and appreciate you clearing up any confusion. I apologize for misinterpreting your comments. I guess it ultimately does come down to words. I use the word Christian to denote someone who believes in the Christ as the son of God. I don't think that Christian is a religion but more of a descriptive term for a group of religions with a common element of faith.
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    "You Guys Were Awesome!"

    I got back from a week at camp with our troop last week and it was, in a word, transformative. So, grab a cup of coffee or a glass of your favorite beverage and settle in for a long read. TROOP PROLOGUE Before my son and I joined, the Troop talked the talk on boy-led but it wasn’t very much boy-led in the outdoors. The outdoor program consisted of one nearby campout, two backpacking trips and one cabin camping trip. The adults designed and implemented the program with the boys leading by performing the tasks that they were assigned. I came in at the same time as the new scoutmaster. Together, we reinvigorated the outdoor program - having 9 to 10 trips per year plus summer camp and moved toward being more boy-led in the outdoors. There was still something missing at times in the boy leadership. When the elected senior leadership was on campout, there seemed to be an “order people around†type of leadership. The adults learned to back off and give the scouts space to lead. However, summer camp was different. The person who served as Scoutmaster at camp would quickly fill any vacuum left by boy leadership. His intentions were good and very understandable when you are in charge of 25 to 30 boys in the woods (some for the first time). MY SON’S PROLOGUE So my son is very active - attending every meeting and every outing racking up more nights camping and more miles hiking / backpacking over the past three years than any other member of the troop. He earned Star in two years (sooner than any other scout in recent history - although another scout equaled his timing last year). He served as an Assistant Patrol Leader (as well as a Den Chief) last year, but the Patrol Leader was ineffective and he became the de-facto patrol leader. Now, we have patrols for our weekly meetings and ad hoc patrols for our outings. The patrols for the weekly meetings are focused on planning an activity for the troop portion of the meeting (each patrol take one week a month). On outings, my son was the PL for his ad hoc patrol based on his rank and experience. He struggled a lot with leading last year — at age 13 he was just learning to take care of himself and he found himself charged with taking care of others. He also clashed a bit with the older elected leaders - he became frustrated because they weren’t leading the way that I was trying to teach him to lead. Their leadership consisted of ordering people what to do while my son was being taught servant leadership. He made Life Scout in the spring as he finished up 8th grade. When elections for patrol leaders came up, there were five boys running for four spots (we elect patrol leaders as a Troop… I know…). He was the only one not elected out of the five. He was devastated. When he recovered, he asked to be the Troop Guide (I had another post on that) and the OA Rep. He asked NOT to have to go to NYLT. His comment was “why should I bother, I tried to change the Troop but they don’t want to change.†He was one of the two most senior scouts - one of which would be tapped to be the SPL at summer camp (the elected SPL was not going). The other scout got the most votes in the Patrol Leader elections (only by a couple of votes). My son was the highest ranking and had the most experience leading in the outdoors. I told him that I could tell the SM that the other boy should be the SPL so that my son wouldn’t be set up for failure by trying to lead other boys that had been elected to a position over him. He said he still wanted the chance to lead, so I told the SM that I didn’t want to be involved in the decision. My son did go to NYLT with a buddy and came back truly energized and excited. The staff and the other guys in his patrol recognized that he had “it†— with one staff member telling him he had the most potential of any leader that had come through the program. For the end of the week, his patrol elected him Patrol Leader. On the way home, I asked him and his buddy what one thing they would change in the Troop based on their NYLT experience. They both instantly yelled “SERVANT LEADERSHIP.†While at NYLT, the SM decided that my son would be SPL for camp. It made sense because the elected patrol leaders would be serving in that capacity. I hoped for the best but prepared myself for a train wreck. I rearranged my schedule so I would be at camp the entire week to cover us being short a leader for the second half of the week, recognizing that would give me a chance to coach him and to run interference with the other adult leaders. PROPER PLANNING… Even before my son was selected as SPL, I had been advocating having a PLC meeting of the camp leadership before we left for camp. Typically, the guys were expected to show up and just figure it out. Going off his enthusiasm from NYLT, my son and I worked together to come up with an agenda for the meeting. He started the meeting by setting out his vision: boy-led, patrol and servant leadership. My son made it clear that his job was to help the patrol leaders succeed. About half way through his presentation, the Camp SM interrupted and started talking about his agenda. After about 10 minutes, I managed to transition the conversation back to my son’s agenda. Over the next couple of days, my son sent a couple of e-mails out to the leadership team and to the scouts attending camp and their parents. I’ll admit, I did help him to develop the e-mails (what do you want to say? do you want to mention this? how do you want to say this?). He and the QM came up with a list of gear to pack for camp. He ordered bandanas and patrol flags for his leaders. He planned a junk food night for the Thursday Troop campfire and he even planned to have 1980’s music blaring to wake everyone up. My son also urged everyone to adopt one of the phrases he learned at NYLT - “Early is on time, on time is late and late is unacceptable.†THE WEEK AT CAMP My son backpacked into camp with a group of scouts. That gave him some time to talk to me and his regular SM about being SPL. Unfortunately, he twisted his ankle on the road leading into camp (did 20 miles over rocks and trails but twisted his ankle on a gravel road in the last half mile). He was limping for most of the first two days. When the others arrived at camp he faced his first challenge. One of the new scouts did not have a tent buddy. It took my son a moment to ask his buddy (who was one of the ASPLs) to move tents so the new guy could tent with him. In an instant, the new guy went from feeling like the last kid picked on the team to sharing a tent with the SPL. As the new kid’s parents went to set up the boy’s bug net frame, my son turned to them and said, “I’ll show him how to do it himself when we get back to camp later.†The second challenge was the chore charts. My son had already decided that the two ASPLs and three APLs would handle being waiters the first night so the SPL and PLs could be there to make sure everyone lined up in uniform for flags. In the past, there had been contention because the leaders exempted themselves from being waiters. That was quickly solved when the SPL, ASPLs and PLs decided they would serve as waiters for all the lunches. When the chore charts were posted, a younger scout pointed out that the leaders were not listed as waiters. One of the PLs heard that and responded, “we know when we are waitering - we’re doing all of the lunches.†The younger scout simply responded “cool,†but you could tell he was impressed with the leaders doing more than they were asking others to do. The first in camp PLC meeting was shared between the SPL and Camp SM. For line-up the first night, everyone was on-time and in uniform. The Camp SM did have some comments to the boys based on some tasks not being done (water jugs filled, lanterns set up, etc.) and encouraged the younger scouts to step-up. The rest of the evening went off without a hitch and you could see that everyone pitched in when they got back to camp after dinner. We had another PLC meeting on Sunday night with the Camp SM going over expectations for the week. In the past, those expectations had been conveyed to the Troop as a whole by the Camp SM. This year, they were conveyed to the PLC and the PLs conveyed the information down to the rest of the guys in their patrols. On Monday morning we played music (two songs) to wake everyone up (we’re the furthest campsite out so hearing reveille is hard). The morning was chaotic due to handing out merit badge cards to the scouts to bring to their classes. The APLs were responsible for making sure all tents were ready for inspection and the ASPLs did a final sweep as everyone was lined up. The APLs did their counts of guys in their patrol and reported to their PLs who reported to the SPL. As they lined up, the Camp SM complimented the guys on how well they did the night before and in the morning. As the boys came close to the the parade field, they stopped, reformed their patrol lines and took a count. The APLs then took their position as last in line for their patrols (i.e. running sweep to make sure everyone was there). The boys would be early for all of the camp flag ceremonies - a break from the past where they would be late at least twice. The Camp SM had to leave to deal with some work issues later on Monday morning and would return on Wednesday afternoon. My son set his schedule so that he would be free from 1:00 until 4:00. He had three merit badges in the morning and one from 4:00 to 5:00. The first afternoon, we spent a chunk of time from 2:00 until 4:00 going over the schedule for the week and the division of labor among “The Six†(SPL, 2 ASPLs and 3 PLs). There were a lot of activities and projects that needed to be completed during the week and my son realized that he couldn’t do it all. We also had a complaint from the Troop next door about the music in the morning. My son went over and talked to the ASM of that Troop. My son looked for a compromise - can we play it at lower volume? The ASM said he preferred we don’t play it at all. My son replied that we wouldn’t play it because “a scout is courteous.†He was disappointed but learned a lesson about what courtesy means - doing something you don’t have to do for someone else’s comfort. On Monday night, my son took the new scouts to the First Year campfire with one of his ASPLs (his buddy who was new to the Troop and was his first time at camp) and had the other ASPL take the remainder of the Troop to the “Second Year (and up) Games†which is typically some sort of scavenger hunt. From what I heard, the Troop appeared completely disorganized but they somehow managed to win the contest. The ASPL and PLs had a sense of ownership of the activity and stepped up. A scout had asked me what they should wear to the games and I told him to ask a boy. The ASPL told him to wear his troop Class B t-shirt. Those are usually saved for the Camp-wide games on Thursday, but I resisted the urge to overrule the ASPL repeating to myself that “nobody ever died from wearing a shirt twice.†Tuesday morning went like clockwork. I only said four words, “Do we have everyone?†I didn’t police the campsite like the leaders usually do, I just trusted the boys. My trust was not misplaced. I started to notice the ASPLs working in concert with the SPL - each supporting the other. I saw the PLs and APLs working in tandem. I saw some guys who weren’t named leaders stepping up guiding younger scouts. It seems that servant leadership is contagious. I was concerned because most of our leaders (SPL, ASPL, PLs) had just finished 8th grade (one of the ASPLs had just finished 9th). It seemed that those guys did better because they wanted to lead. In the past, the older boys thought that being a leader interfered with their having fun and that they were “too cool†to be excited about leading. On Tuesday night, the boy leaders were supposed to talk about he build it project between dinner and our Troop boating event. They did and three guys volunteered to work on the project. They were supposed to set up the roster and brief their patrol members for participation in the Camp Wide Games. I suggested that they do it right when they get back from boating. A couple of guys wanted to take a shower, a couple of guys had things they had to do and a couple of guys needed to rest. I reminded my son that they needed to have the meeting because there wouldn’t be time to do it in the morning. That was around 8:00. Around 9:30 nothing had happened. I was ready to let them fail. I got distracted helping a couple of the guys with their e-prep requirements (they were putting together an emergency kit from the items I had in camp). I came out to check on the leaders to see if they had even started yet, and was told that they had finished and were about to call everyone in and explain to them what they were doing. Another note to myself - although they don’t do it the way I would do it, they still manage to get it done. There was a couple of guys who didn’t like what they were being asked to do — luckily, those two guys happily switched roles. Wednesday morning went like clockwork. We actually were the first troop to flags. There was some joking that we were turning into one of “those†troops rather than our typical rag tag bunch of misfits. I assured them they still had a long way to go. Somehow, they ended up dominating the Wednesday games, placing in all but two events. Their cheers were louder than I remember it. They became the troop to beat despite being one of the youngest groups (our 13 and 14 yar olds beat other troops 16 and 17 year olds) and despite having every scout participate. They sealed their victory with a well run rope and sled race and several well played games of tic tac toe. It seems that they really thought about who would be the best for each game and then had the older guys teach the younger guys any skills they needed. This is the first time the troop had won the camp games in everyone’s memory (which goes back more than 10 years). The guys split up into patrols to do service projects with the PLs leading (the SPL and ASPLs added themselves to patrols and did what the PLs asked). The Camp SM came back in the afternoon, saw how things were running and stepped back. I did have to intervene when a group of younger scouts were not ignoring their PL despite repeated attempts by the PL to encourage them to help. I simply explained to them that boy-led means they have follow other boys for the good of the patrol / troop and that the alternative was adult-led which sounds a lot like me yelling at them. It was enough to get their attention and I noticed that they put in extra effort the rest of the week. Wednesday night saw the boy leaders working with younger boys on MB requirements. Our campsite commissioner had a talk with my son about him wanting to to be a counselor next year. The commissioner mentioned the conversation to me and said that there were boys who wanted to be a counselor because they liked the idea of being a counselor and boys who wanted to be a counselor because they loved being a boy scout. He then said, “Your son is one of the ones who loves being a boy scout.†The commissioner told me he put a good word in for my son for next year. One of the older scouts who had been disengaged in prior years told me that he was having a great time this year because “people are actually listening to me and I actually matter.†He explained that in the past, everyone was expected to do as they were told by the leadership rather than really asked to lead. I heard stories of the PLs taking care of their guys who were homesick or struggling with MB. When a scout became upset, one of the boy leaders was there to comfort them. When a scout decided it was their turn to be a brat, one of the boy leaders was there to get them back on the path. There wasn’t the expected “ordering around†of scouts to behave but there was advice given out of caring for the welfare of the scouts and others. On Thursday, things seems to be running well until I got back from the First Year hike. The build-it project remained unfinished. Actually, it had been started but what was done was not according to the plan that I thought the boys had agreed upon. I found out that one of the boys who wasn’t supposed to be working on it, started part of it and an adult did the rest. I tracked down SPL and asked what happened. He thought it was under control. To his credit, he said, “it doesn’t matter what anyone else did, I’m ultimately in charge and it is my responsibility.†He went back to camp, took apart what had been done (incorrectly) and began working on the project. He had one of his ASPLs go down to take his place in setting up for the patrol carnival and asked the other ASPL to handle rounding up the troop and doing flags. He was ready to miss dinner in order to get the project completed. He pretty much single handedly built the project in an hour and a half. I helped by holding wood that he sawed and by drilling two holes with a power drill. He made it down in time to grab some dinner and well in time for the competition. The project ended up finishing third in the competition - again, the best in recent memory. It was a great lesson is leadership for my son in both what went wrong and what he did as a leader to fix it. Thursday night was the troop campfire. One PL built the fire before dinner. As it go dark, they started the campfire. It started slow but became huge. One of the scouts organized a campfire as part of his communications merit badge. Everyone sat around the fire to watch as opposed to their typical going off and hanging out in groups of two and three. After the campfire program, there was music playing and food. One PL cut up watermelon. SPL broke out the chips, pretzels, Doritos and soda. One PL started making Jiffy Pop and another PL made two dump cakes in dutch ovens. Around 10 staff members stopped by camp — apparently the SPL and PLs had been inviting staff to stop by. By Friday, the leadership was able to coast. For SPL son, he had to play catch-up to finish a couple of merit badges. He knew a couple of other guys needed requirements, so he pulled them along with him across the finish line. Son spent much of his free time hanging out with the counselors. After the closing campfire, the SPL got overwhelmed by one of the stories that an adult told about leadership (using his first campout where an older scout invited him to share his tent as an example). All the pressure, stress, exhaustion, emotions and sense of accomplishment hit at once. We took a walk under the clear night sky and for the first time that week, he just became my 13 year-old son. When I woke him up Saturday morning, he was exhausted and had the start of a cold. I told him that sometimes, leadership means digging deep inside yourself and finding the strength to go on when you think you have nothing else inside. I told him that he needed to be energetic and engaged so that his boys would take a cue from him. After breakfast, the troop returned to the campsite to take our flag down one last time. Typically, the Camp SM and I would say something to the boys or the parents, but we both decided that boy-led meant that a boy should do the wrap up. So before taking down the flag, SPL did a quick recap of all the boys had accomplished during the week, ending his talk by saying, “You guys were awesome this week.†REFLECTION ON LEADERSHIP Last week was the most boy-led I’ve seen our Troop at camp. I heard the same sentiment from the other adults at camp and from many of the boys. In past years, the boy leaders ended the week feeling frustrated and aggravated because they felt that they were being bossed around by adults all week. This year, the boys left feeling exhausted but with a sense of accomplishment. On Saturday, I realized that the key is not a singular boy in boy-led but that it takes all the boys leading. My son realized that without his ASPLs and PLs, he would have failed. In talking on the way home, my son said that leadership is hard. He felt that the leaders in the past saw leadership as a privilege — the ability to make the rules, order people around and to do less than others. He told me that being a leader really means you have to do twice as much as everyone else. I know that we weren’t completely and entirely boy-led. I spent a lot of time working with my son to prepare him for his role as SPL before camp and a good amount of time working with him at camp. He would get up early in the morning and we would go over what to expect for the day. In the beginning of the week, it was me telling him. By the end of the week, it was him telling me. We talked about objectives and discussed what he and others had to do to accomplish those objectives - or using the terms we used - “what do you guys have to do and how are you going to get it done.†I did provide him with reminders at times. I also coached the ASPLs and PLs through a lot of quiet talks as we walked to and from activities. I joked with the other leaders that I was the “scout whisperer.†I think that boy-led is a continuum depending in part on the complexity of the task at hand, the experience of the leaders and the size of the group being led. For a patrol of 8 guys my son’s age going on a campout, there is nothing I really need to do or say. The boys have done it at least a dozen times before and know what needs to be done. For a week at camp that is jammed packed with activities that need to be coordinated, a troop of 25 boys and youth leaders that have just finished 8th grade it seemed that my being involved in the up front planning and the daily discussions of what needs to be done and how to do it was a good level of being boy-led. Even over the course of the week, I noticed my discussions went from telling “you need to do this†to asking “what do you need to do?†Finally, the most important part is that the adults have to make a conscious decision not to undermine scout leadership. The first three days, I must have told younger scouts to “go ask one of the boy leaders†at least 50 times. It is better to talk to the SPL and PLs privately, than to overshadow them and talk to the troop directly. It is better to let the scouts run things the best they can and have them ask if the adults have anything to add, than the other way around. Scouts can sense when they are really being permitted to lead. To quote my son, “You guys WERE awesome this week.â€
  7. Hedgehog

    Normal or Time to Find a New Troop?

    Each incident, on its own, may not be that unusual as @@Beavah says. Taken together, it indicates that the troop is adult-run and run poorly at that. As others have said, scouts should be signing off on Scout through First Class advancement. In some Troops, adults take it over because it is being done poorly by the scouts. That isn't the solution. The solution is to teach the scouts how to do it correctly. The confusion on Blue Cards indicates that the ASM your son talked though doesn't understand the advancement process. The failure of get the awards at Courts of Honor, reflects that the Advancement Chair isn't doing his or her job. My advice, is to volunteer to take over as the Advancement Chair for the Troop. As I tell my son, the best practice when someone comes to you with a problem is to give them the power to solve it. As Advancement Chair, you can master the rules for advancement. The BSA Guide to Advancement is available as a free download. Then you can teach the SM and ASM the right way things should be done. Maybe even start by having a scout go to an older scout and an ASM for sign off on the rank requirements. Have them demonstrate the skills to the older scout with the ASM watching. Set up times for Patrol Leaders to ask if anything needs to be signed off (at beginning of patrol meetings?). That can lead to having the older scouts do it by themselves in a year or so. Set up a meeting for new Scouts and parents and work with one of the older scouts to explain advancement to the boys (with their parents in the back).
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    BSA requirements are out of hand

    The best of luck to him.
  9. Hedgehog

    BSA requirements are out of hand

    I've banned the use of workbooks and worksheets in for the Merit Badges I'm a counselor for. I like when the boys do the "active" part of the merit badge - the hiking, the backpacking and the camping - and then discuss the "learning" requirements. It provides them with the ability to think about the answers and to put any learning into a context. When we have merit badge seminars, I've stopped giving them the requirement list and we just talk about and do things related to the topic. At the end of the seminar (which may take place at meetings over several weeks), they have covered everything without going through a checklist.
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    New Tent wanted

    I'd be fine with a snow cave or quinzie, but he choose his warm bed in the heated house. As far as I can tell from my research, the main difference in the 4 season tent is that the poles and design are stronger to support the weight of heavy snow on the tent. I forgot to add the lightweight $14 that my son and I used to sleep on for our Order of the Arrow Ordeal (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01DUKKVR8) - nothing like sleeping under the stars.
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    Chaplain's aid prayer policy

    I'm not interested in playing word games either. Your statements strongly infer that you think Catholic doctrine teaches that Protestans are not Christians. You have have multiple opportunities to correct any misinterpretation but at each opportunity you have doubled down on your position rather than provided any clarification. Your response is: Now I agree you never came out and "said that" but it seems to be inferred from your statements. The statement you disagreed with is as follows: by stating: So logically, that can mean one of two things - either Catholics are not Christians or Protestants are not Christians. That is, if both Catholics and Protestants are Christians, then Catholicism is a subset of Christianity. My honest questions are: Do you think Catholic doctrine teaches that Catholics are not Christians? Do you think that Catholic doctrine teaches that Protestants are not Christians?
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    Chaplain's aid prayer policy

    Here is what @@David CO has said: Then, in response to a statement asking: @@David CO replied: My reading of his statement is that If the Catholic Church is Christian and the Catholic Church's doctrine precludes the possibility of denominations, then Protestant churches cannot be Christinan. @@davidcO has not at any point corrected that understanding and stated that he believes that Protestant churches are also Christian. If I've misread what he has said, he can let us know and I will apologize for jumping to the wrong conclusion. @ David CO, I am a devout practicing Catholic and I disagree with the way you are representing our faith. As an initial matter, Catholicism recognizes other religion as Christian. That is why someone who is baptized in a Protestant demonination does not have to receive baptism again to become a Catholic. They have already been baptized in Christ and are already Christian. I think you are misreading the doctrine. Although Catholic doctrine, like many other religions, believes that it is the only true and correct religion, that doesn't require denegration of Protestant religions by insisting they are not Christian. Also, I do not think @@Stosh is in any way disparaging the Catholic Church in his posts, but rather he is disagreeing with your view that Catholic doctrine requires a belief that Protestant faiths are not Christian.
  13. I know you know, but I'm going to say it anyway.... First off, there should be a limited number of adults in the room. At our PLCs, we have the SM and me. Second, the adults shouldn't talk. Our rule is that we only respond to questions. Until you get the adults to agree to run meetings that way, boy-led will never take hold. Second, there needs to be a meeting or discussion before the meeting. As you transition to boy-led, the boys need to be coached and mentored to develop leadership skills. Your SPL doesn't have a clue as to what he is supposed to do. He hasn't seen boy-led in action. He knows nothing except for the adults taking over. So he needs to work with an adult to develop an agenda and to learn how to run the meeting. It sounds like you did this with the canoeing. Proper planning prevents poor performance. If the scout is prepared, there is less liklihood an adult will step in. Don't give up. The boys need you. Find happiness in small progress and eventually a bunch of small things will turn into something big.
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    New Tent wanted

    So far, my REI Quarterdome had held up great (except for one spot where it looks like embers from the fire hit the side of the tent - but that is covered in repair tape and is good as new). I also love my Big Agnes Fly Creek 2 for backpacking. You can't go wrong with a 2 pound tent. It has held up well for two years with the exceptions of some small pinholes in the fly (which let through a total of five drops of water during a torrential rain storm) and a rip in the stuff sack (which also is covered with tape). My ENO hammock with Atlas straps and a rainfly weighs about as much as my two person Big Agnes Fly Creek. However, it makes up for it in comfort and ease to set-up. My Bearpaw Wilderness tarp with flaps is great and lightweight (about a pound) but I haven't used it for sleeping yet (just for gear or a dining fly). I haven't tried out my Eureka Alpine four seasons tent yet because I haven't been winter camping (it was 60 degrees on our December campout, we slept in Adorondak shelters in January and cabins in February). I tried to convince my son to try it out in the backyard the night we were supposed to get two feet of snow but for some reason he didn't think that sounded like fun.
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    The Power of Names: Why the Method Works

    It makes all the difference in the world if an adult can say and mean three simple words: "YOU CAN LEAD." Thank for the great story. Gives me food for thought. More on that later.
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    BSA requirements are out of hand

    I'm surprised about the Wilderness Survival. The knowledge base doesn't cover much more than you would need to know for Hiking, Camping and Backpacking MBs and there should be a lot of people who have experience in those areas that would qualify as a counselor. If you are anywhere near New Jersey and your son's troop wants to do a Wilderness Survival campout, I'd be glad to help organize it and sign off on Merit Badges. You could even check your local camping store to see if someone there would be interested in signing up to be a counselor for the merit badge. For nature and soil and water, reach out to local parks and conservaton groups. I suspect that the people working there are more than qualified and would gladly sign up for being a counselor because they could hold merit badge seminars which would draw youth into their parks and programs.
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    Questions to ask a prospective Troop

    I think the Meet the Troop night is a bad substitute for visiting the Troop. My sense is the best information would be contained in some open-ended paragraph response type questions. 1. How does your Troop implement a boy-led Scouting program? 2. What did your Troop do last year in its outdoor program? There are a lot of questions you can ask the SPL / PLs or even SMs that will tell you the nature of the Troop, but none of those would be able to be answered in writing: 1. Who runs the PLC meetings? How many adults are there vs. scouts? 2. Who plans the outdoor program? 3. Who is in charge of packing the gear for campouts? 4. Who takes care of the trailer or gear shed? 5. Who makes announcements at meetings? 6. Who plans the menus on campouts?
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    Chaplain's aid prayer policy

    In life, religion and politics, we can focus on what we have in common or what divides us. I prefer the first option.
  19. Leadership is hard. I'll admit that I've pushed my son to similarly lead. For the first year, I pushed him to be responsible for himself and to be responsible for his advancement. OK, I probably pushed him too much with advancement. He made first class within 15 months. For the second year, I pushed him to participate in the outdoor program and to be a good Den Chief. For his third year, I coached him as an APL who frequently had to do a lot of things himself because his PL wasn't organized or effective. I also coached him to lead in the outdoors - being an APL or PL on every outing. He sat in on the PLC and even planned an outing to go horseback riding. He ran for PL and wasn't elected. After some gut wrenching disappointment he decided he wanted to be Troop Guide and OA Rep. We talked a lot about servant leadership and how it doesn't matter what you arm patch says you are. He went to NYLT and came back changed. He finally got it. He was appointed to be the SPL for summer camp by the SM. By applying what he learned at NYLT (as well as some coaching by me) and me running interference with the other adults, he was able to lead by providing an environment where shared servant leadership could take hold (see this thread for more detail: http://scouter.com/index.php/topic/28395-you-guys-were-awesome/). The other boys actually took note and stepped up - they all were leaders because the emphasis was on SHARED servant leadership. He's now helping me develop a leadership training program and he is working with his friends to start a Venturing Crew. Your son is just a 12 year old. He is listening to you but the time isn't right. After being involved with our Troop for three years, I see the difference that each year makes in the boys. I've also seen the difference that increasing the threshold of being boy-led can make. They know when they can't make a difference and they know when they can truly lead.
  20. Hedgehog

    Son and Friends Starting a New Venturing Crew

    It doesn't sound like it was done right. Our COR is truly behind this and he understands how the program operates and how it won't hurt the troop. I'm going to be the Advisor and I"m the incoming SM for the Troop next June. We have one SM of another neighboring Troop who has signed on as an Associate Advisor, the current SM of our Troop is likely to take an adult leadershp position and a current ASM of the troop as another Associate Advisor. So many of the adults recognize the importance of having the older Scouts participate in the Troop. As a result, this is being pitched as something in addition to the Troop. The boys who are interersted are the ones that attend almost every outing and are looking for a reason to do more. The idea of being a servant leader means that the boys will continue to serve and lead in the Troop. Also, I've decided that Boy Scout advancement should be done through the Troop and not the Crew. As I've mentioned before, our Troop has a great outdoor program with a lot of great activities -- rock climbing, canoing, horseback riding, beach camping, COPE, winter camping, backpacking and high adventure (50 miler / Sea Base). The Venturing program will mirror a lot of those activities but the Venturers will decide what they want to do. So the Venturing program isn't desinged to provide something that is missing -- just to provide something different. We are up to 6 young woman and 5 young men interested in the Crew just by word of mouth. The Crew's existence is being driven by what appears to be an untapped need in our community to provide adventure on a co-ed basis. Although a lot of the potential Venturers don't know it, the program has a very different design than Boy Scouts and presents a lot of different challenges and opportunities. It should be a very interesting year getting this Crew started.
  21. Hedgehog

    Son and Friends Starting a New Venturing Crew

    I like the introductions and will suggest. My recommendation is to have the core group explain the program by focusing on the possibilities -- Adventure, Activities, Group Identity, Service, Advancement and Personal Growth. Leaving the best for last - Leadership. Then I will tell them the most important thing - they are in charge and the program is theirs to decide.
  22. Hedgehog

    Son and Friends Starting a New Venturing Crew

    Clicked there, read that. I also found the guide to Crew Officer's Leadership Training, the spreadsheet for tracking the ranks, the description of the Ranger, Trust and Quest awards, the Crew Officer Orientation videos (awful), the Personal Saftey videos (really awful), the GTA sections related to Venturing; the Venturing BoR guidelines (very cool in that it is run by the youth) and the Venturing uniform guidelines.
  23. Hedgehog

    What are scout summer camps in the USA like?

    Exactly. Although the camp doesn't publicize it, the movie was filmed at the camp. The Camp Crystal Lake sign is in a display case at the Trading Post. Looking forward to 2018 when our Troop will be there on Friday the 13th.
  24. Hedgehog

    Son and Friends Starting a New Venturing Crew

    UPDATE: Our COR for the Troop and Pack is on board and very enthusastic about this. He has obtained approval from the CO and has talked to Council about what we need to do to proceed. We are up to 5 young woman and 5 young men that are interested just through word of mouth. We have 2 female adults and 3 male adults volunteering. The next step is for the three catalysts - my son and the two young woman who are his co-conspirators - to meet to plan for the introductory meeting of the potential Venturers. The planning meeting will probably be at the end of the month due to vacations and the introductory meeting most likely wil be in September. In the meantime, my son and I will start reading the Venturer's Handbook and Advisor's Handbook -- well, as soon as they arrive from scoutstuff.com.
  25. Hedgehog

    Wearing Eagle Patch before COH

    He is an Eagle as of the date of his Eagle Board of Review. He can wear the patch. And tell them CONGRATULATIONS!