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I'm seeking offers for most of my collection which includes lodge service award flap and several years of lodge encampment participant as well as staff patches. One year there were only 25 produced of the staff patch. I'm willing to part with that one and the same year's participant patch. If interested send me an offer. mark at blackwalnutjigs dot com, remove spaces and use the correct symbols.

johnponz, are you responding to me? I absolutely do not advocate the wearing of the sash on the belt and in fact could quote publications spanning a few decades where has has been forbidden. That I do not agree with the Chair does not make me wrong and him right by virtue of his title. Folks in leadership roles are often wrong. I'll guess he has not followed the progression of changes to the OAHB. If he is changing policy then perhaps he should also see that the OAHB is written in such a way as to make it clear and not open to interpretation. I can see how some read it contrary to how I read i

I think this is where I can jump in. In the 1980's the OAHB stated: "The Arrow sash is worn at Order of the Arrow functions and at special Scouting functions such as courts of honor." page 127 1980 printing of the 1977 copyright. For a historical perspective that should just about clear it up. Meaning to me that by the rule at that time Acco is wrong. Sadly in later versions, copyrights and printings this was changed so that now it reads: "The sash is worn at Order of the Arrow functions and special Scouting functions, when members need to be identified as Arrowmen rendering special service

Basement, thanks for being helpful! Perhaps next time you can actually answer the OP's question and only provide links that actually deal with his question rather than the broader subject. Your first non-link resource is a rather short and drafty thread. Once you changed the course it was taking it simply died and fell off the current posts page which believe it or not some folks look to first. This issue has been brought to the forefront last week by Scouting magazine on Facebook. Seems like a great time to revisit it as clearly only a few people commented on your thread in March.

I think this is one more EPIC FAIL idea that BSA has come up with. How soon will this crap become a required part of the program? Tote and chip makes sense. This however, must be re-earned annually. In boards of review we are not allowed to re-test or even test and yet this needs to be an annual requirement and when you read deeper it appears to be a entire unit all at once kind of thing. The BSA does not need to be the answer to every single facet of of youths life.

Since we are talking about a new troop I say it depends on theneeds of the youth filling that troop. In the case of my troop we started with older boys that were not getting what they needed in other troops but nearly all needed POR for advancement so SPL was used and still is. With a SPL you then can have an ASPL which satisfies a rank requirement.

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I think part of the "problem" is the software is proprietary to this forum and Terry is part of the development team, if not the owner. If this is true then there is also likely some amount of ego involved; just speculating...... Different browsers act different ways. With Firefox I do not have to log in each time I post because the browser is set to auto fill that for this site. With IE I do but only at this forum. None of the other forums do I have to do that for. Images would be splendid. The formatting box should be built-in. On the other hand it looks like I shoould also be able to just c

Am I the only one that sees irony here? BSA prohibits Boy Scouts from using power tools and yet we will now have a welding MB. I too think we need more MB's like this. Away from the metro areas schools still have shop classes. My son's high school has a full time Ag teacher.

SP and TF. Get a grip guys! Please do yourselves a favor and reread the entire thread without your bias. Read things in context. You villify myself and others for explaining what IS policy and our desire to perform our jobs in Scouting the way they are proscribed to be done. No where in this thread have I read where an Advisor wished to prevent a parent from access. Discouraged does not equal exclude. Education does not equal bullying. You can continue to have the thoughts you have but you are still wrong. There is no youth protection issue here. Do the research yourself. Go have that ta

Pie in the sky but I say ditch all but Boy Scouts. No Cubs, no Varsity, no Venturing, and no Explorer (LFL). That said the reality of the situation is that BSA is more interested in numbers than serving the needs of what should be our primary target audience which is 11-18. It is my opinion that Cubs turns off as many or more boys and families to Scouting than cross over, and once they are turned off to Scouting they never give us a second look. It has been that way since at least the 70's. I remember then as a Scout that folks knew more about Cub Scouts than Boy Scouts and yet then as n

ThunderFox I'm not sure you actually mean what you wrote. I did find it quite interesting the Urban Dictionary definition for the words you used. Had you actually read all of the posts I have made over the years in this forum you might have discovered that I do think the OA should be shrouded in mystery. I am also very aware of the rules and agree with their purpose, but which rule are you thinking I do not like? Surely not the rule that OA ceremonies need to be safeguarded. I take seriously my obligation and admonition. Parents and others with concerns need to consult with Advisors, and yes i

If a Scout attempts to find a job will his parents request to be present during the interview? Are parents allowed to sit on their own son's eagle board of review or any board of review of their child? SP if you were in my district or council I would not give you the time of day and would seek your removal from serving at those levels. I think you lack judgment and wisdom! Oh wait a minute that is what you would say about me, yeah whatever, I'll just chalk it up to you being anti OA. I'd not do that to you as it is not scoutly. I see the OA as one of the best parts of a boys experience i

Eagle92 if memorey serves they hired an IT guy before Linda moved on,(not that she was in charge of IT) perhaps shortly after the last Jamboree. Did that guy quit since then and be replaced? From what I can gather the IT dept. has not been staffed by actual IT folks. Hence the need for 'developers' to have issued upgrades to fix the bugs in Scouting Community while they played with that software package and then abondoned it while it was stil in use. I hope that if they do migrate to a different software that they do so with a redundant backup copy of the database first. I know first han

Beardad what does your pack's policy have to do with the OP? I think units should run away from anyone regardless of age with real experience in Scouting. What better way is there to make Scouting an award factory lead by adults with no experience or knowledge in Scoutcraft! (tongue in cheek) When I was in college I was that youth! I wished to stay active in OA and to do that I needed to be registered. The only option at that time for an 18 year old was to serve as an ASM so I found a unit in my college town that wanted my help. I was not an Eagle Scout but I possessed more scouting

I see this as yet another change for the sake of change. Knots are simply another tool that can encourage adults to do the things that might lead to the result of better program. The needs of units change from year to year. I would much rather have two different knots than one knot and devices. I've several shirts and moving devices seems cumbersome. All my uniform shirts might be worn while wearing a back pack of one sort or another, devices simply do not work with shoulder straps.

Bnelon44 wrote: "This is a noble sentiment however there is NO requirement for first class that reads "make sure you know enough so the Scoutmaster thinks you can take cae of yourself in the outdoors." Your reading much more into the rank than is there. You are adding requirements that are not there. For all ranks, you do what is in the requiements and you earn the rank. Period. Anything extra, is just that, extra to advancement. Everyone must remember that advancement is just one of eight methods of delivering the promise and we can't cram more into them than are written. If you want y

Not sure what part of town you live in but there once were a number of great troops in Spokane. Well at least back when I was a youth. I'm not sure I would return to that same troop either. It sounds to me more of a third year Webelos program. Sometimes you can find more quality in smaller troops. Spokane Troop 1 SPL 1980-81

momof2cubs, yeah I'm not offended in any way. I'm simply perplexed how and if when the meaning of "geek" changed from the electron element to how it seems to be used today. "Gay" seems to have changed in meaning over time as well. Us adults simply can not keep up!

momof2cubs wrote "Plus there's the whole "geek" factor. If they have already have 4 years of cub scouting, they are more entrenched and less easily persuaded that scouting isn't "cool" " I'm having a bit of a problem every time someone mentions that Scouts is "geek". I'll admit that I've never been at the forfront of teen slang, even when I was one, but http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=geek seems to agree with what I believe to be the definition of "geek". So exactly how is it that the outdoor program of Boy Scouting is anyway "geek". No wonder we have such an identity problem!

Scouter Terry can deny it all he wants, that does not make him correct. Once last week while on the forum my local machine was attacked by a malware virus scan of the type that was trying to get me to install a fake anti-virus program. I closed that tab and moved on which ended the attack. FWIW internet forums are currently under siege by corp. spammers from India, Russia, and the far east and have been for the past several months. They are now successful in cracking human verification programs such as reCapthca and creating user accounts. In addition to scouting I also Admin a woodworki

Correct me if I'm wrong but it appears that the software package that this site runs on is proprietary hence I see it as rather unlikely that Scouter Terry is going to merge the site over to a proven stable software package such as vBulletin 3.8x.

Logical question is do we need BSA to even formulate guidelines for this? Seems to me there are much more important discussions they should be having, such as how do we provide better service to units. How do we attract and retain boys of Scout age to our program? How do we fund better pay for youth camp staff without making our camps cost prohibitive? How do we fund our councils so that they are sustainable because frankly FOS does not seem to be working?

Yessir, I just happen to fit both of those Shortridge. I'm a Scoutmaster as well as an OA Adviser. II'll not say it is often I need to PM or text a youth but there are times. I use whatever communication medium that seems to work and for some youth that is IM through Facebook, others it is texting. Another thing puzzling about these new guidelines is their source: the marketing folks!

BS-87, by your second paragraph I must wonder if you understand how IM works. We have moved far beyond email. With IM and texting simply carbon copying is not an option. Do you conference call whenever you phone a Scout?