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  1. You have said that none of your current scouts attend the church. That is a problem. If I were the church I would questions the need or desire for the pack. You have also mentioned moving the pack to your church. How many scouts from your pack attend that church? What happens when your son(s) transfer to boy scouts? Moving a pack is not hard but takes a lot of paperwork. If you want to keep the same unit number the existing CO must write a letter to your district releasing the unit number, property, and moneys to the new CO.
  2. If the scouts knows his skills approve him. Talk to him during the campout and have him justify his fist class rank. The other ranks will be harder because he will need to show leadership and management skills. --- The dad is another issue. As everyone has stated you need to be blunt and hard with a person like this. I tell my parents that the subject of rank is between the scout and the scoutmasters (sm and asm's). When a scout is ready they will ask for the rank. If they are lacking the scout will be instructed on how to proceed. If pushed I point to the door and say there are other troops
  3. Most adults do not understand how scouting works. They also cause 95% of all drama for a unit. The CO can make any restriction they want, because they own the unit. Your best bet would be to fold the crew B into your own.
  4. I think you and your troop should get a pat on the back for this. My troop does not take recent transfers or crossovers to summer camp for this reason. We like to get them used to camping in tents away from their family support throughout the year. Once a scout gets used to weekends away from home the week of summer camp is not so bad. I also use costco chocolate chip cookies when scouts have melt downs. I give the scout a cookie and sit then down next to the fire pit. By the time they finish with the cookie the world seems like a better place and they calm down.
  5. I left a troop where the adults decided all of the campouts and activities. The adults would canceled most of them if the weather was not perfect. I now recruit adults who like a little adventure. They don't have to be outdoorsman, but want to have fun for a weekend. I believe in the scouts setting up their campsite far enough that I can hear them but not make out anything they say. We as adult need to encourage our fellow adult to let the boys experience life and be out in the wilds. The hard part is to turn off the helicoptering instinct of most parents. The other big push I have started i
  6. Great thread. People look at the past with rose colored glasses. The program is supposed to change with the times. Troops are supposed to provide an engaging program that the scouts want to participate in. The focus should be on getting scouts to enjoy the outdoors. My scouts like camping so they can be on their own, goofing around. They perform scout skills because they are in the situations that requires them. A troop's activities are governed by the adults willing to drive the scout and participate with them. I met a adult who loved camping but refused to go hiking more than a few miles, b
  7. My troop rustic camps 6 times a year out of 11-12 camping trips. The other 4-5 campouts we might have access to a pit toilet. The summer camp we go to has canvas tents on platforms and a dining hall. They also have some flush toilets and showers. My scouts cook a meal once a month during meetings, and at every campout. Their time is better served doing camp activities rather than cooking. Summer camp is not basic training, it's to learn independence from the family, teamwork, skill building, and maybe earn a few MB's. Ayer a fee days
  8. I am feel your pain. Your existing ASM's sound like they do what they can. I would get more parents (mom's and dad's) to go camping. When I need volunteers I tell my parents, "we need drivers for this campout. Please decided amongst yourself who is going to go camping with the troop this month. If no one steps up I will bring the troop into the parent room and tell then that the trip is cancelled because you all are too busy." It always works. The parents who come on trips become leaders within a year, as either committee members or ASM's. I also take 2-3 campouts off each year. I send my oth
  9. I treated them as adults. They did not participate in PLC's, unless the SPL asked them to be there. They did not have to be assigned to a patrol. They tented either by themselves or with another Jasm, in the adult area. They ate with the adults. The JASM's would act as troop guides and instructors. Our troop had a rule that a scout could not be a JASM unless they had attained the rank of eagle and had thier COH.
  10. I love Clarke Green from Scoutmastercg.com His articles always remind me that scouts are kids that need encouragement and freedom more than lectures. I have made all of those mistakes on and off again.
  11. Summer camps are one of the better places to earn merit badges. But the councilors may let some requirements slide. They might have discussed it as a group and let one of the scouts that performed the task lead in the discussion. It's hard to say. A merit badge is to give the scout the introduction to the topic not a certification.
  12. When cubs move to scouts parental involment does not go away. You just give them more room. In scouts adults are always needed as drivers and to have in camp. We let patrols go on hikes separated by 10-15 min. Oldest scout patrol first. In the rear are the adults. Each group gets a radio, just in case. On canoe trips there are 2-3 scouts in a canoe. Adults are in single kayaks. In troops everyone get to go on the adventures but adults stay out of the way. Our rule is that unless an adult is a ASM or SM, they don't interact with the scouts. All other adults just drive and enjoy the show.
  13. Troop - the adult leaders split and left me with the choice of being SM or dissolving the troop. It was a game of "123 not me". Luckily I conned a few adults to step up and take troop positions that were empty. After a lot of drama it all worked out, and now the troop has a good program. Pack - 2nd son wanted to be like his older brother and be in scouts. Since I was the only parent who has been through the cub program I volunteered to be the tiger DL. Now I am going up the ranks with him as the DL. My den parents don't want me to change jobs, even though I have high standards.
  14. Summer camps want and need to pull in more people to stay open. I believe venture crews will bring in youth that would not otherwise go to camp. If that means that girls will be there so be it. The older scouts might be more inclined to want to go to camp again. The structure of summer camp is what teenagers need. If your troop plans to achieve the most out of summer camp they will be pushed mentally and physically beyond their comfort level. My scouts pass out every night at camp by 10pm. They could not be sneaking around because they would pass out on the way out of the campsite. The vent
  15. I believe the wood badge hours would be equivalent. The purpose of the Roundtable and UofS requirement is for networking and gaining knowledge from your peers. I am assuming BSA national wants people to learn from others and not be isolated in their own pack, troop, crew.
  16. There were young female staff at every summer camp that I have been to. The boys act dumb around them. I believe the venture crews should go to camps. They should sign up for the high adventure programs and be mentally and physically pushed past there comfort level. The structure of the camp might be good for them to experience.
  17. I would pull his POR, have a talk with him and his parents, and maybe require him to help out at the local NA meetings. I would even make him teach about the dangers of drugs to the troop. You have probably know this kid for a few years. He might have hit a low point. His parents, you, and the troop can help him comeback from this. I would wait to decide on his Eagle rank. As others have said, he has to prove that can live by the scout law.
  18. I just came back from Boy Scout summer camp. I posted a few pics on Facebook but that was all. I told all the parents that their scouts are wiped out and not to expect any real conversations for a day. Let them shower, sleep, and do laundry. For our troop summer camp is a taxing experience, physically, mentally, and emotionally. It takes a day or more after camp for the experiences to sink in and for the scouts to understood them.
  19. I don't understand the uniform problem. All my cubs and scouts wear the full uniform to all meetings. If it's a financial issue the pack or troop helps out. It's like we are a sports team. If a player is out of uniform they are turned away. Same goes for my den and my troop . Dressing in uniform puts the cubs and scouts into the right frame of mind. This is not play time is scouting time.
  20. SM bob

    Pack camp out

    Correction - alps granite falls 4 tents
  21. SM bob

    Pack camp out

    The question you have to ask yourself is 1) what are the weather conditions like? If it rains all the time where you are get a bigger family tent with a fly that provides an awning. If not a simple 6 person dome will be fine. 2) more tents never hurt anyone. Buy a family tent, then also get a 4 person tent for your husband and son. I have 4 tents. A winter, summer, family, and a loaner. 3) scout direct sells great tents to packs and troops. My troop uses the alps cedar ridge 4 person tent. Not that expensive but the largest 4 person I have ever seen and good head room with a full fly.
  22. I have a cotton and a microfiber class a shirt. The microfiber shirt sleeves are not cut right. Every time you raise your arms the shirts pulls out of your pants. The cotton wears better and feels cooler. The cotton also feels more durable.
  23. Cubscouts is all about hand holding, being PC, and parent orientated. Finding volunteers who do not have kids in the program is hard. In boy scouts the boys are more independent. The adult act more as drivers and hang out together.
  24. My sons old troop dropped the OA election ball last year. Failed to have the election until late in the year when a scouter pushed the point. The election was held but the OA lodge failed to notify the scouts when the ordeal was. The elected scouts missed the ordeal. This year (new troop) no problems. The OA lodge is heavily dependent on the scouts running the program. Tell your son that maybe next year things will be different. But he has to push troop to request an election.
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