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  1. Krampus

    BSA Membership Policy Change Proposal

    A friend of mine in Texas said her Council had the first of three meetings last night on the issue. They invited unit leaders, CCs and CORs. Was attended by 200+ people she said. BSA had national and Council folks present. It was an open forum to discuss the resolution and how units/COs felt. According to her the people there were overwhelmingly against any change in policy. The Council folks revealed that much of the feedback they had received was going that direction too. They are having two more meetings this week to reach the rest of the Council. She was in the "urban" area so the suburbs and rural areas are next. Her take away was that the Council was mostly likely leaning to keep the status quo rather than change anything. I think she said that Council had 7 or 11 votes? Not sure.
  2. You miss my point entirely. I was address Asperbergers and folks dismissing the boys as "those kids" or even the offensive post title "not right in the head". No where did I say that volunteers getting trained will solve the problem. What I said was 1) you don't simply dismiss kids with autism, aspergers, ADD or ADHD as head cases that are always going to be problems, 2) many times dealing with such kids may take a bit of patience and understanding...just like dealing with ANY Scout can be. If you recall, my response was speficially to those folks saying it was too much effort or they were not trained so therefor should not have to deal. They do have training you can take and I believe I said that it was no replacement for professional diagnoses or help. Some of the stuff you point out in your post is pretty bad. As I said earlier, if laws are broken then Scouts should go...full stop!
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    Merit badge sash

    @ScoutNut...sorry mate, but when I read "One wonders, Krampus, how you missed looking at the Insignia Guide when pondering where to where official insignia?" I read that as pendantic and condescending. If meant otherwise might I suggest checking the sarcasm when someone asks an honest question which, to that point, had not been give the complete answer you gave. You provided what I was looking for and for that I am grateful. I could have done without the sarcasm...especially since if one does search for such things you can find 2-3 documents from BSA which leave out the very important part you correctly outlined. Again, thanks.
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    Merit badge sash

    Like I said, it was a "tradition" long before I got to troop, along with how it (MB sash) if the OA sash is worn with it. Seems to be regional because we are not the only troop doing it. I have been trying to gather the correct policy to change the way we do this. While it can look sharp, if it is not standard then we should not wear it. Though I profess that many of the folks who tend to think they wear the uniform properly have all sorts of unofficial, verboten stuff on their shirts as well (shotgun shell awards, Citizenship in the Universe "MB", Scoutmaster MB, etc.).
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    Merit badge sash

    Gee ScoutNut, could be be any more pedantic? I think you will see above I was actually ASKING if anyone had seen a reference to any BSA regulations. Someone said they had but did not give a citation. Forgive me, but I have seen far too much BS spouted by Scouters over the years to take things on face value, hence my follow-up. All you needed to do is post it kindly and it would have been accepted in turn. BTW, while looking through the BSA sight I did run across one document called Guide to Awards and Insignia only to find after looking more closely at it that it was an "excerpts" doc and not the full thing. Typical BSA: Why be direct when you can be confusing.
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    Merit badge sash

    We insist that if it is worn as such (folded over belt) that it does not extend past the seam of the pocket on traditional pants. And of course these days we have to say that pants are worn around your waist and not below you butt line.
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    Merit badge sash

    So we know that both OA and MB sashes must be worn on the right shoulder. The question is what does the "book" say about how or if you wear both. I cannot find any "book" that says wearing either sash any other way -- or saying prescriptively one way or the other -- is verboten. So what is an Arrowman to do when he wears Class A and wants to display both? If there is no written BSA policy about wearing either sash folded over the belt (as long as it does not look stupid) then the "local option" sounds the right answer.
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    Merit badge sash

    Thanks. The big issue was that the Scout could not wear the OA sash and the MB sash at the same time, so being both official BSA gear he wanted to wear both in some fashion. As it was an OA event he wore the Vigil sash and flapped the MB sash a la the way he has done since Tenderfoot. ;-) I did not see anything wrong with it, nor did I find anything in my goggling, but wanted to see if anyone else had. I agree the MB sash should be worn for dress events. I personally don't see an issue with Arrowmen wearing thiers flapped over as long as it is done nicely (a la the old flight caps tucked in to the belt). ;-)
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    Merit badge sash

    When I joined out troop we had a "tradition" of OA guys wearing their MB sash folded over their belt over the right pants leg. At summer camp a few years back one of my Eagle Scouts was dressed down by some SM in another troop as wearing the MB sash inappropriately. Cannot find anywhere in the BSA guidelines that say this method was/wasn't legit. Anyone ever heard of this?
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    Den Chief with ASD

    @rdcolv We have one Scouter who is "medicine man" on each camp out. We have a form which parents must fill out by hand noting dosage, medicine, time of day, etc. The meds, even over the counter, must be in originals containers and in a ziploc bag with the Scout's name on it. Every med must have the Scout's name on it and accompanied by the above sheet. The Medicine Man makes morning and evening rounds (or others as needed) with another Scouter. We have each boy's med and health form in a binder we take with us. Guys needing rescue inhalers or epipens are allowed to carry one with them but we have a second with us. We always carry emergency meds with us on hikes, etc. to make finding scouts with serious issues (asthma, allergies) information in our health book we color code their cover sheet based on urgency (I.e., guys with serious issues are red sheets). When hiking or out in the wilderness we always carry a personal locator beacon, radios and cell phones to communicate or get help. Lastly, I always get the local hospital info (or local/region CareFlight number if we are in remote areas and need extraction) and make sure all adults have that while at camp. This system works well for our troop. It requires a lot of planning but once in place it works pretty well. Of course, we require all Scouters to observe HIPPA regs and not discuss Scouts' conditions or anything like that. Sounds draconian but we've been entrusted with essentially being parents to 70+ kids and we need to act accordingly. Hope this helps.
  11. Interesting article from a few years back on vBulletin. http://www.apaddedcell.com/goodbye-vbulletin-part-1-reasons-switch
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    Scoutmaster- Senior Patrol Leader Relationship

    PDL...does your Troop Committee not have operating rules outlining that the Scoutmaster is appointed by, and responsible to the TC? I always say I serve at the pleasure of our TC, the Chair and the CO. I know that it only takes a vote at the TC or a request from the CO that I "step down". I have great relationships with them all, but they can remove me whenever they like. You guys don't have such a process?
  13. @Twocubdad...it's been my experience that even that output is flawed. Our troop mandates all training be done in Nov/Dec prior to our recharter (end of Jan) and we keep back up records in troop master. Why? Because every year when I run the report in myscouting barely 50% of the training that was taken online is updated in this system. If I followed their report I would show half my folks not trained when I know they are. In short, keep back up records. If you don't have troop master try a spreadsheet or Access DB. I never, ever trust council or national. They STILL don't have my records from having taken IOLS (twice, once when I crossed over and once to audit the course) after nearly five years of being a SM.
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    Leader Knots? (Changes to policy)

    My District will help process the paperwork for Cub Leader knots. They are usually pretty good but if you want to walk the paperwork around to get it done faster you can do that too. Our Scout Shop usually did not require the paperwork for the Den Leader knots but did for CM knot. Now with the new knots I cannot say. The shop *is* pretty insistant on the District processing the Boy Scout knots. Brewmeister has it right...if they find it laughable they are silly. Leaders who take the knot requirements seriously are trying to develop a quality program. Of course, I *do* find in funny when you see someone with more than 5 or 6 knots. If they are for something achieved (training, exellence in leadership or program) then I get it. If they are for donating money something like that I find those odd. Would rather have the knots be achievement based rather than participation or donating money.
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    Adult Nomination Question.

    Talked to our rep. He confirmed it is rounded up to multiples of three. So if 5 scouts you can send 2 adults + SM. If 10 scouts you can send 4 + SM.
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    Retaining Older Scouts

    I think this is universal. Oddly enough the dads who were Eagle -- or Scouts but never made Eagle -- are the ones NOT dragging Billy over the finish line. We continue to recommend parents let their kids do things themselves (check their email, website, pack their pack, organize,their patrols, etc) but in the end it is a parenting decision. I think parents will either get it or they won't. We try to discuss this during SMCs that the boys need to take ownership of their scouting careers. But more often than not these boys are conditioned to have mom/dad wiping them and don't want to change. So if neither mom or dad change and the scout does not change, what more can one do? I *do* take the opportunity during each COH to ask the questions: - Do you do your son's homework? - Do you check and review all his home work and assignments? - Do sign him up for school courses or social events or other functions rather than let him do it? - Do you dress you son or lay out his clothes? - If you don't do these this for him outside of Scouts, why do you do these things for him when it comes to Scouts? I usually end with the Baden-Powell quote, "Never do for a boy what he can do for himself."
  17. [snicker, COBOL layout] Sure are dating yourself. My guess is there are a few JCL programmers here who could fix BSA's problems.
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    Adult Nomination Question.

    Hmmm, our OA reps are telling us 1 adult for every three Scouts elected (unless one adult is the SM and he is not a member). I guess they are rounding up then if not a multiple of three?
  19. Note: My "swearing" at you was not more than Clarke Gable said in Gone with the Wind. Hardly earth shattering or offensive.
  20. I see no need to fence with you. I owe you nothing and need to explain nothing to you. Suffice that I am a long-time Scouter in a big troop. We likely share many of the same issues, though you seem to like to throw stuff at folks claiming they are some how "rich" or that they come from the other side of the tracks....yet I noticed that you posted once many of your scouts have iPads or smart phones, so you cannot really come from "the hood". Frankly, I don't care. You are an SM, do a good job and you like it. Great! More power to you! My reasons for helping kids like this is because I see so many people just dismiss them because its hard or uncomfortable. Like I said, I highly doubt all of your scouts come at you with the same problems all the time. You have to approach each scout differently. Kids with these diabilities are no different, they just require special attention. I think you would be amazed at just how easy it is to deal with these kids if you give a darn. Sorry, but I hate to see ANY kid left behind or ignored and will do may best to make sure that never happens on my watch and in my troop. Limits? Sure, as I said above, if the kids is a true danger and/or professional help is not working. But you will never see me turn my back on a kid in need. You may not roll that way and that's your choice.
  21. With all due respect, none of your business. I happen to have several such kids and have seen what happens when someone gives a damn about them. We are all volunteers here and give hundreds of hours every year in the development of these youth. I am certain you have issues that arise in your troop where only a single scout is affected and you handle it accordingly. All I am pointing out is that no one should single ANY kid out as not being worthy of the effort of saving UNLESS they have broken the law OR they are currently seeking professional help and it does not appear to be working. In such instances getting the kid out is the best for greater good. I just find the fact that many seem to lumping these kids into a category of not being worth the time or "knowing limitations" as ironic. We deal with other kids with similar difficult issues (see thread of boy who smokes pot on camp outs and wants his Eagle) and seem to have plenty of compassion, yet in dealing with kids that may have special needs we seem to not be willing to go that extra mile. Just puzzles me.
  22. With all due respect, none of your business. I happen to have several such kids and have seen what happens when someone gives a damn about them. We are all volunteers here and give hundreds of hours every year in the development of these youth. I am certain you have issues that arise in your troop where only a single scout is affected and you handle it accordingly. All I am pointing out is that no one should single ANY kid out as not being worthy of the effort of saving UNLESS they have broken the law OR they are currently seeking professional help and it does not appear to be working. In such instances getting the kid out is the best for greater good. I just find the fact that many seem to lumping these kids into a category of not being worth the time or "knowing limitations" as ironic. We deal with other kids with similar difficult issues (see thread of boy who smokes pot on camp outs and wants his Eagle) and seem to have plenty of compassion, yet in dealing with kids that may have special needs we seem to not be willing to go that extra mile. Just puzzles me.
  23. @JoeBob: I hear ya. I am in the same boat with an 83 Scout troop. We do high adventure, camp 11-12 times a year and I have not had a summer to myself in I don't know how long. That said, I still go out and get my WFA, EDGE Trainer and all the other training BSA offers but does not require for the good of my boys. I took a special course on how to handle youth with certain mental issues. Not that hard. I don't know your personal situation so maybe this kid falls into the category where the parents don't reign him in and professional help has not helped him either. If that is the case then cutting him for the good of the troop would be a good move. However, it seemed the course the overall discussion was taking was that kids with this type of disability are all like that and not worth the effort, hence my reluctance to join that chorus. In the end, JoeBob, most volunteers are giving people who do not give up easily. I suspect you are one of those. Your gut will tell you what to do. I just urge others to not throw the baby out with the bathwater and consider these kids as normal kids who have special issue that are not insurmountable. That's all.
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    Adult Nomination Question.

    First off, congratulations on electing six Scouts to OA that allows you to nominate two Scouters. That's a lot of Scouts to send to OA. Well done! For me OA has always been about upholding the ideals of Scouting and camping. As a Scout we used to only nominate those who were the elite campers of our troop. Back then it was a select few who got nominated. Now, like Eagle, it seems we hand this out to anyone. Personally, I would only send someone who met all the requirements (this is required by OA) AND those Scouters who demonstrated exceptional outdoorsmanship and camping. I would not send a Scouter who does not camp that often or who has less-than-decent camping skills. My two cents.
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    Light hearted teasing of scouts

    Disagree Dean. We cannot apply adult thought processes to 11-17 year-olds. As adults we have developed thicker skin and we get that teasing and ribbing is a form of bonding. Not all teens get that. Kids are not likely to bring it to anyone's attention either. Many times these kids internalize this stuff that on the face of it looks harmless, only to one day explode. When you think about it there is really no reason for it. Why call a kid "the brain" -- even if meant flatteringly -- when his proper name would do just fine? Case in point: I have two brothers in my troop...one taller than the other. The brothers look very much alike and are new to the troop. Obviously guys start calling one "the tall one" and the other "the short one". I asked them if they mind the nicknames and both said they were fine with it. Well, that went on about a month before it bolied over in two ways. First, the "short one" got ticked off that everyone was calling him that and not bothering to learn his real name. He eventually got in to it with a guy who used the nickname in a very passive manner. Second, using the nickname "tall one" eventually bleed into other nicknames and well-meaning jibes which eventually got to the kid. So I really don't agree with the "boys will be boys" or "that's how guys bond" argument. That always seems to excuse this stuff or ignore how the recipient may feel...either on the surface or deep down. What's wrong with simply using they kid's name?
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