Bob White

Multiple bookings rarely effects the exact same group of people. Multiple events on the same day has liitle to no effect on a council's budget, poorly managed events do, but double booking is the least related factor in a badly managed event.

I am not saying you I am saying ANY leader. There are always going to be schedule conflicts. There will be times when there are two things you would like to do but you can only do one. It happens in and out of scouting. In your particuar case you are concerned that a webelos event and a Univefrsity of Scoutig are on the same date, when in fact your not going to either because you have a third choice outside of scouting that you are attending. So what does it matter to you whether there are two things scheduled that day or twenty? A Scout council serves a variety of subgroups so over

I'm with you Eamonn, it's easy to deliver an adventurous program without having to be be careless, and the vast majority of leaders do that just fine. But not all units are selective about the leader they choose, and it only takes one person with a lack of good sense to generate paperwork and regulations for the rest of us. But once the rule exists, it exists for everyone, and as trustworthy leaders we need to abide by them. The extremes we run into can be quite humorous in a sad way. We go from leaders who don't think scouts are allowed to use power tools, to leaders who give scou

What would the solution be SctDad, to schedule activities only on days when no one has any conflicting plans? I don't think that is possible. Life is full of choices, and there is no reason to feel you have to go to everything in a years time. It is not unusual for councils to have multiple events on any given day, especially on weekends.

The BSA has advancement based on a scouts abilities in the water when dressed. There is no BSA safety violation in jumping into the water with a any shirt on, not even a uniform shirt. There simply is no rule regarding this. What the Youth Protection Policies and the BSA Guide to Safe Scouting says about appropriate attire is unrelated to to this event. It is not a rule about swimming it is a rule about personal behaviour. Which is why it appears in a list titled "Barriers to Abuse" and is not in the Safe Swim Defense section. Please site a BSA SAfety regulation saying the sco

Theere is nothing taught in NYLT that is contrary to the Patrol Method. In addition, no Scout is ever going to say "Teach us the 'traditional' Patrol Method." How does a scout know what is "traditional" and what is not when it comes to the Methods of Scouting? Unless of course "someone" has filled their heads with the incorrect notion that the Patrol Method used to be different in some way?

Without the typos Scoutnut Here is what you posted, correct me if it is not? "1) Proper preparation for high adventure activities - "Activities with elements of risk should never be undertaken without proper preparation, equipment, clothing, supervision, and safety measures." What evidence from the story and video tells you that there was not proper preparation, equipment, clothing, supervision or safety measures taken? The event appeared well organized. The activity area was reinforced and bordered, it was was not a huge distance to travel only a few feet, there were lo

Scoutnut Here is what youposted correct? "1) Proper preparation for high adventure activities - "Activities with elements of risk should never be undertaken without proper preparation, equipment, clothing, supervision, and safety measures." What evidence from the story and video tells you that there was not proper preparation, equipment, clothing, supervision or safety measures take? The event appeared well organizized. the activity are was reinforced and bordered, it was was not a hige distance to travel only a few feet, there were lookouts and rescue poles on both sides, the bu

Why feel you have to go back to Green Bar Bill? The Current handbook doesn't say anything different.

First define what you mean by regular elections. 1) Nowhere does the BSA say when elections have to takle place or how often other than suggestion tenures ranging form 6 months to 1 year. Nowhere does the BSA in any training or resource make this the decision of the Scoutmaster, but recommends that it be determined within the Patrol or in the case of the troop officers by the PLC. 2) Figure out who is best suited and make them the leaders??? Boy, for someone who talks about the youth neing in charge do you notice how Kudu makes the decisions in his troop. The BSA Boy Scout prog

Scoutnut and John you have both assumed deficienies that are not in evidence. If you listen to the story and watch the video you see the buddy system used, they have adult supervision, they are wearing appropriate apparel for the activity, they are in a controlled area with borders, there are look-outs with rescue poles. In fact most the scouts are being assisted by holding onto the poles the entire time. There are no violations in evidence. Most of the conditions you say they are violating you have no evidence of. You are fabricating facts that are not in evidence. You have n

Would someone please tell us what safety violations were incurred during this activity.

Wouldn't it be nice to understand a process? You don't want a mish mash of events, you want a program, and a program has a purppose a goal, a theme. A reason for taking place. It also seems that you have two distinct audiences who need different activities and information. On one hand you have fairly new Webolos, on the other hand you have Webelos that are about to (or should have alredy) crossed over into Boy Scouts. So the organizers may want to consider two distint activity tracks. The newer Webelos can have activity centers based on Activity Pins as suggested by Infoscouter. I w

So this is going to be Webelos who have probably not completed their AOL yet is that correct. Because most of the scouts who have will have already crossed over to Boy Scouts by this time, is that right? It matters.

Would you care to explain your answer Mafaking? In mmhardy's post he fails to say how long the scout spent as a Scribe or as a Troop Guide. How is it you are so sure that he did not serve for the required 6 month total? His post does not supply the necessary facts for you or anyone else to be able to make that conclusion.

When will the event be held? What do you anticpate the the weather to be? What is the purpose of the event? Has a theme been determined? Where will it be held? What resources are available there?(This message has been edited by Bob White)

Here is one version of the 13-fold Ceremony The first fold of our Flag is a symbol of life. The second fold is a symbol of our belief in eternal life. The third fold is made in honor and remembrance of the veterans departing our ranks who gave a portion of their lives for the defense of our country to attain peace throughout the world. The fourth fold represents our weaker nature, for as American citizens trusting, it is to Him we turn in times of peace as well as in time of war for His divine guidance. The fifth fold is a tribute to our country, for in the words of St

Not a problem Chandler, Your cub doesn't actually have to know what the rules on how to play Eagle Golf. If you look at the requirement it is not to play Eagle Golf. The requirement is for the Cub to "make up a game" and play it with his family. The handbook gives the example of Eagle Golf and Beanbag archery just to give the example of doing an action game as opposed to a board game or a guessing game.

I think what troop555Eaglescout is trying to find out is what does the BSA consider a "high adventure" activity from a standpoint of when do rules regarding High Adventure apply. I think that definition is purposely subjective. It allows the host of the activity to dtermine the skill level and endurance required to do an activity within a reasonable degree of safety for a person of beginning or average skills. For instance canoeing for a few hours on a local lake although adventurous for a young scout of average skills would likely not be considered "High Adventure" by BSA activity s

There is no one official ceremony. Here is a link to one of them. It is used by the US Air Force. http://www.ushistory.org/Betsy/more/affold.htm

Thank you RJS, It's probably pretty obvious which posters are willing to think things through and which ones aren't, I appreciate your willingness to look beyond the fluff.

"As I have said over and over and over again: the boys are leaving because the units are not providing the program that BSA puts out there" SAY WHAT???? All you have done stosh is blame the BSA for not supporting the Patrol Method, and youth leaderership, and for dropping all the outdoors skills and all kinds of other fantasies. If you ever believed that the problem was the delivery of the Scouting program by some unit leaders then WHY do you argue with me every time I say it? "Every Webelos cross-over for me is going to be an Eagle scout." Now we are getting somehwer

"Maybe National needs to come to a pluralistic city to see some ways it already works." Do you know for sure that they haven't?

"Eagle scouts that don't camp? Boy leaders that don't lead. Eagle projects designed, directed and implemented by parents. Eagle projects that are basically a total waste of time." Where does the BSA allow that except for scouts with extreme medical conditions? Where does the BSA teach or support Eagle projects being developed and lead by parents? It doesn't. You are railing at the BSA when you should be condemning adults who do not follow the program, because that is where the problems you point to come from. The Patrol Method is still taught and supported by the BSA and

Jblake47, I see you have been visiting Kudu in his fantasy land. You did not answer the question. Not onlyare the things you say the program has switched to not exist in the training or resources of the Boy Scout program, you failed to give eveidence to your own claim. You said that the "old ways that the BSA has abandoned has cost them membership. But you have completed avoided telling us which old way that is. It is isn't the Patrol Method because that is still taught and supported. It's not youth independence because if you pay attention during New Leaders Essentials, it e