UCEagle72

You can get a "general list" of Troops in the area by using the BeAScout.org web site.

As far as finding one that is youth-led, experience says that unless you visit and see it in action, it ain't there. So that would be my suggestion.

You're looking for a Type 3 Robbins, which looks like this:

http://www.sageventure.com/scoutingcentury/eagle/robbins3.html

Note that there is no BSA on the front of the medal, and that the back detailed (not the "flat-back" or "half-a**ed" Eagle).

You may want to email: info@eaglescoutbadge.com as they indicate that it is fairly common medal, and they have one for sale.

Your recharter date is determined by the BSA. Normally, all units in a Council will recharter at the same time.

(Historically, you rechartered in the month your unit was founded - this was discontinued in the 90s.)

Of course, the online recharter system was open in early November (around the 3rd) for units that rechartered 12/31 -- so that certainly is a lot of advance time you could do your recharter (talking like 8 weeks).

Of course - you all realize this is how many LDS units function now.

One committee, one committee chair, one CoR. The SM is basically the senior adult leader for all programs (GSM). Young men move seamlessly between programs - to the point that Varsity & Venturers still refer to themselves as "scouts".

The General Commission of the United Methodist Men started a program called Scouting Ministry Specialists to help develop and oversee scouting programs (girl scouts, boy scouts, camp fire, 4H., big brothers/sisters):

http://www.umc.org/site/c.lwL4KnN1LtH/b.1847121/k.6B61/United_Methodist_Men/apps/s/link.asp

And we have not been informed of this. Not saying it is not happening, just saying, the folks who are the front-line links to the Scouting ministry in the Church have not been informed.

I liked my garrison cap as well, really struggled to accept the red beret.

But then again, keep in mind that the US military was primarily using a garrison cap at the time as well.

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@Roadkill -- two of the four did not change names ... Great Lakes is also still Great Lakes.

And here in Southern Shores we have the SE from the legacy Southwest Michigan Council, not an outsider (in fact, I don't think there are any "outsiders" in the 4 SEs).

Right now, the economy is such, that selling camps will not bring in as much money as it could. So I would not be surprised if camps are not sold.

But let's think about this for a minute ... I am a Camp Visitor, I was at a nice camp that was barely at half-capacity, good program and all, but in a 25-mile radius was three other Scout Camps - one of which was full year-round. So, two of the four survived. Hate to say it, but it makes sense to me.

Unfortunately, most of the loud noise you hear is from folks concerned about MYYYYYY camp. Close HISSS camp, or THEIRRRRR camp, stay away from MYYYYY camp. Sorry - it was time to look at ALLLLLL camps, and make a decision. When camps are not operating in such a way that they can sustain themselves, then why are we pouring money in?

I hate to see camps close, heck, in my Council we don't even have a Scout summer camp! But I also understand the economic impact of that many camps with not enough campers.

I guess living in Florida for the last 7 years probably changed my opinion of things. My Floridian Council had one camp - and it is well used -- not 4 or 5, struggling to survive.

I just spend my time trying to get folks to see the "reality" of it all.

I could have sworn that if you needed T-2-1 skills (pioneering, knife/ax, lashing, knots, etc.) those were skills specifically addressed in IOLS (Introduction to Outdoor Leader Skills) - a local course - required for Scoutmasters, Assistant Scoutmasters, Varsity Coaches and Assistants.

We also taught most of these in the old Scoutmaster Fundamentals class (which was one course, covering both classroom and campout).

Honestly, I have told many new ASM to get a copy of an old BS Handbook (late 60s, early 70s) and "work" the requirements for T-2-1 - and get a copy of the Fieldbook from the same era. Just takes a little practice to learn the same skills.

BTW - as a UC this year, especially, at recharter you will be asking for EVERYONE to turn in email addresses, so they can possibly be selected to participate in the "Voice of the Scout" program which rolls out nationwide in 2013.

As a Commissioner is a participating Council this year, I can tell you, there is some really "interesting" comments coming in from Cub Parents, Scouts/Varsity/Venturing members 14 and older, Chartered Organizations, and District & Council Volunteers on how well the BSA is doing at running the program.

@Sqyire21 --

What we have done, is return to the way it was before 1987.

I proudly earned my Cubmaster Key, after three years as a Cubmaster, since it really "matched" the work I had done already to earn my Scoutmaster Key, and Commissioner Key.

I received mine in 1987, and when I heard of the changes that were coming, I contacted my District Training Chair and asked him if I could complete my "key" instead of receiving the Cubmaster Award, since time was on my side, that did happen.

Honestly, I see far too many scouters looking like lost foreign generals - I much prefer the Sea Scout method - six knots, period.

The whole program is about the youth - not the adults. Recognition is fine - but there are lots of ways to provide good, meaningful recognition, without it being a square knot.

Just recently, my Council Commissioner (in Florida) gave me a "Commissioner" Challenge Coin, since we reached JtE Gold in Unit Visitation (the area I "manage" for our Council). That, in all honesty means more to me than a scrap of cloth, because it came from a good friend.

And I realize, as a Boomer, I have a different perspective on recognition, feedback, and instant gratification that those in Gen X & Y - but sometimes, less is more.

Keep in mind, S-L-E is still valid for young men who are (1) under 18, (2) earned 1st Class in a Troop prior to joining a crew. (As are Eagle Palms.)

Also, yes, the report from ScoutNet is "broken" - this has been a l-o-n-g ongoing discussion for several years now.

From Scout Wire:

http://scout-wire.org/2012/02/29/new-commissioner-award-honors-unit-youth-retention/

"The training requirements are the only areas that are retroactive. All other requirements had to been earned from May 2011.

The square knot will be available from local council Scout shops/Supply for distribution in May 2013."

I know one of the task force members, and he had mentioned this to us on the LinkedIn Commissioner Forum -- but I knew I had seen the same information "in print" somewhere. So, I dug through the back issues of "The Commissioner", then moved on to Scout Wire.

Hope this helps.

BTW - it will be interesting to hear of some of the "projects" that the UCs are doing with their local units.

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For those of you who need an "official" source (sorry that you seem to think that those of us who get info at PTC may have "heard it wrong") -- this was published 8/2 on "Scout Wire" (the news service for professionals):

http://scout-wire.org/2012/08/02/one-oath-and-law-proposed-for-all-bsa-programs/

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SP --

Not to stir the pot too much ... ;-)

My Venturing daughter received a survey from Harris a year ago ... the whole context of the survey was; should Venturing aged young women be able to earn Eagle, complete merit badges, etc.

My daughter called her Eagle Scout dad and asked, "How should I answer these?" My response was pretty simple, "Answer how YOU feel about the questions, they are asking YOU, not me."

And I have no idea how she answered - although she did let me read all the questions before she submitted the survey.

Well, I do believe that the tenure requirements was two years, and that was based on the award introduction date (set to June 1, 2011) -- so, my guess is, there was no "rush" to have the knot ready before June 1, 2013. (We were told the *only* thing that could be backdated was training.)

The BSA, in general, is looking at the awards that are available. And while I don't think the award itself will go away, I think the form the recognition takes, will change.

We are moving "back" to using "devices" and less separate knots (I have a Scouters Key with a Cubmaster, Scoutmaster & Commissioner devices [prior to 1987 you could get a Cubmaster Key - but it took 3 years]) - so I expect we will see that one of the "commissioner knots" will be selected to be the base award and they will make devices for the rest (Unit Service, Distinguished Commission, Doctor of Commissioner Science).

Honestly, no mention was made of this while I was at "Commissioners' Week" at PTC last month. So, this is just my own pure speculation. ("Flavored" with knowledge gained from the Cub award changes, and 36 years as an adult leader ...)

The Mormon Church has a developed youth program "on hand" - and no, they can't use the words "Scouts" -- seems the BSA has a US trademark on that (and a bunch of other words too).

BTW --

Based on the shakedown, the zip lines will only be available for Scouts at the Jambo.

Seems the adults lied too much about their weight - which is programmed in to the computerized breaking system on the rig -- so after about 20 "rescues" to correct that problem, the decision was made to only have Scouts on the lines next year.

I was registered to staff next year (maybe one of the first to sign up) - but the Doc wants me to work on getting off some meds first, so he won't approve my physical. So, while I won't be at Jambo, I think I'll go back to PTC - had a great time last week!

Keep in mind, over in the UK, it is the Rovers (18-25) who are the leaders of the Beaver and Cub programs -- and frequently assistant leaders for the scouting program.

BTW - my son turns 31 this year ... he's been out of scouting for more than 16 years. ;-)

I noticed that the Sea Scout awards were noticeably absent. So I sent up a message and found out that the National Sea Scout Committee will be working on them shortly.

Back in the ancient days, when I was a SM, I always had a stash of badges for that exact purpose.

Now, I understand that with the latest requirements, Scout Shops are requiring advancement reports for badges -- but -- that does not cover the rank pins!

So why not lay in a stash of rank pins, and worry about the paperwork for the cloth emblems?

Robert Gates would be a good alternative (but MR is by far and away my 1st choice)

Heh ... forgot about Fretwell!

Mike Rowe for Chief Scout!

(But I'd take Robert Gates ...)

Yup, although, one person, James E. West, has held both positions ... (he was named "Chief Scout" after he stepped down as CSE.)

@shortridge - I checked my Scout Handbook from 1959, and I see no mention of an age requirement, except that for Tenderfoot.

I too was a young Eagle. Got mine in 1972 when I was 14 (and I had been a Life Scout for a year). Actually the person who kicked me in the butt to finish (since all I needed to do was complete a partial on the Cooking MB) was my SM.

Couple of weeks back, I was at the retirement celebration for that SM (41 years as SM ended in December) -- and was surprised when a number of the guys who were "younger" Scouts in that era told me how much they despised me since I went on and earned two silver palms -- their dads kept asking why they weren't doing that ... ;-)

So, just because a Scout earns Eagle at a young age, it does NOT mean they are heading out the door. Otherwise I would have missed Philmont, the '73 National Jamboree, and being a JASM. Yes, in later years I was more active in OA, than the Troop - but when I was needed, I was there.

When I became a UC in 1976, my ADC was still wearing the jacket and tie.