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  1. I have also seen camps just go through the motions of the classes and sign off on Blue Cards. This year we attended a camp out of our council that truly impressed me with their MB classes and First year Scout program. As always I observed several of the classes and was impressed. They followed all reqiurements to a "T" and even handed out tests to take.

    Mid week all the MB councelers meet with the Scoutmasters and had notes on each Scouts progress and gave reports on participation.

    The Scouts had a great time and actually learned the MB's taken. I am sure we will go back there.


  2. There is always that 1 person that will question everything. I am a quite person and I am a Scoutmaster. I do not need to be loud and I do not encourage my Scouts to be loud to get attention. Remember that actions speak louder then words. When someone is loud that can be intimidating to some scouts. When my SPL or me want the rooms attention we put up the Scout sign and within 30 second we have a silent room.

    Even though a person is quite that does not mean they are shy. I routinely lead meetings and training sessions at work in front of 20 to 30 people.

  3. boomerscout,

    We did think about the idea of spreading it but the committee shot it down. Some said no because they were afraid a Scout might get hurt (Safety issue in their eyes), other said we would be doing too much fundraising. I was even warned by the COR to keep it short and "Don't make a business out of it."


    The Troop has alway been small so they have always done small fundraisers and what that did not cover our CO picked up. With the poor economy our CO is not able to do that so we have to rely on ourselves.


    I keep reminding the committee that a Scout "EARNS THEIR WAY". We need to provide opportunities for the Scout to "EARN" by providing productive and worthwhile fundraisers. With 13 Scouts and 7-10 crossing over next month $200 funrdraisers do not cut it split between 20 Scouts. The idea is to do 2 large fundraiser, the mulch sell and the concession stand(2 day event).

    The mulch sell is productive if worked. My Scout (son) earned enough to pay for Summer Camp this summer and next. Some Scouts sold none.



    It is just certain members of the committee that do not like change.



  4. A Troop down the road directs parking the week of the county fair and does well from what I am told. We are looking for our "BIG" fundraisers so we are not selling all year long. With a lot of convincing we finally got the committee to let the Troop set up a concession stand at a festival in the next town. The event brings 250,000 people to the area and other Troops sell chairs for the parade and 1 runs a concession. So we are running a concession on the other ensd of town.

    This year we also are selling bagged mulch. We take orders and payment, then we deliver the mulch to the customers house. So far we are doing OK. Selling is not a strong point for our Troop but for those that are willing do pretty well.

  5. Our Troop camps every month. We do not do extravigant camping. For 10 of our camping trips it costs around $15 to $20. The other 2 camping trips are Summer Camp ($260) and a trip that is dreamed up by the PLC (cost around $100).

    The Troop just started individual Scout accounts where the Scouts earn a percentage of fundraising into their account to pay for their Scouting. A Scout should help "EARN THEIR OWN WAY".

    By keeping it affordable Scouts and their famililies are not burdened financially by Scouting.

  6. Interesting turn of events.

    A few weeks ago I attended a pack meeting to answer question for the cubs and parents. During the meeting I meet their UC that happens to be a grandfather of one of their cubs. We talked a little and he let me know new council news.

    At our meeting tonight the Packs UC showed up to our Troop the meeting to let me know about the new tour plan. I ask if he is my new UC and he said no but he wanted to make sure we got the info. We talked a little and he has offered to help us out. He even offered to bring me my Recharter paperwork next week and present it at our Court Of Honor to our CO.


  7. The answers to the question are all over the place. I just wanted to know what I should expect from a UC.

    I saw ours 1 time in two years. After calling the Scout office 4 times in a month trying to track down our recharter paperwork. The UC finally showed up with it in mid December. He showed up with the DC and introduced theirselves at our christmas party. The DC said "I am usually invited to troop functions like this." I said " I would have if I knew who you where." He didn't care for that answer but I tell it like it is.

    The UC was in his mid 20's,very unorganized and dressed very sloppy.He was not a good representation of how a scout should dress.

    While filling out the paperwork I found why the came. It ask if your Troop has been visited by the UC and DC.

    I know the DE very well and if I need something, I just go to him.


  8. Back to the car manufacture analogy.

    I have studied Toyota's philosophy, what to know what it is?? I will tell you. Toyota's employees work in Teams with a high emphasis on teamwork where different teammates hold different positions of leadership. The teammates will swap positions around from time to time (sound a lot like patrols).

    The teams also decide how they will get their work done themselves with minimum guidance from supervision. They discuss the task and as a team come up with a plan to accomplish the task. They save tons of money by not having middle management (Sounds like a boy lead organization).

    Toyota operates using the LEAN manufacturing method. This method scrutinizes every little detail to cut costs and production time (a Scout is Thrifty)

    They also practice a method called 5S. 5S is a way to separate out thing not needed in you working area and to make sure the thing you do need are there and neatly stored ( A Scout is Clean).

    I can keep going but I will get to my point. Toyota is doing what the Scouts have been doing for over 100 years. It worked 100 years ago and it works now.


  9. The council is holding a roundtable tonight.I will definatly be there to get answers.


    New tour plan and a new medical form. The legal Dept. at National sure has been keeping busy reacting to recent events.


    Hey The Blancmange can you give me the low down on the insurance I have never had to deal with it.


  10. Very True Eagle92.

    I know we all volunteer and I appreciate it. If I see incorrect training I try to offer help but I think the Councils need to pay extra attention to individuals teaching courses that may put someones life at risk.

    Getting back to the original question about training during Summer Camp. I was told that the Camp we are planning to attend in 2012 holds classes during camp. The way the handle it,so I'm told is the staff gives the Scouts leadership while the leaders take the courses. The courses are while the Scouts take MB classes.

  11. I just went down to the Council office to understand the Tour plan. If you see the last line of "when you need a tour plan" It stated "at the Councils Discrection" my council decided they want it for everytime we travel even within the Council.

    I also ask a question about the Daily Itinerary. I ask "What if while we are on our trip we have to change the daily Schedule from one day to another. For example Day #1 we plan a five mile hike and Day #2 we have time planned to go to a museum. We wake up on day #1 and we have thunder/lighting storms and for safety reasons we decide go to the museum on day #1 and move the Hike to Day #2.

    I was told if we swiched days we would not be covered by Scout insurance.

  12. You all will get a kick out of this.

    When I attended IOLS it was a 1 weekend course(#1 problem, too short). Of couse we broke into patrols and we were to do everything just like the Scouts. Our biggest problem was the trainers. They seemed more interested in each other then to interact and teach new leaders.

    The leader teaching firebuilding actually used a McDonalds wax cup to start the fire. Several people taking the training questioned him why he did not look around and find natural material to start the fire he stated "You can usually find a Mcdonald's cup laying around".


    The First Aid instructor was also teahing the wrong information about "Implied consent" laws of CPR. I got him alone and questioned him about it and he said I was mistaken. On of the other trainees(a registered nurse) heared me and confirmed I was correct. The instructor siad we are both wrong. I got home and called ARC and I was correct.

    My point is that if the trainers are not teaching the leader correctly, what training are the Scouts getting?

    By the way, I am signed up to take the CPR instructor course next month. The life the Scout saves might be mine!!!!!!!!


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  13. I just found out about the new Tour plan yesterday. I also do not have a good understanding yet. I do know now I have to give 21 days notice, I need track down my COR or committee chair for a signatures (it is a task to get them to answer an email), fill out a daily Itinerary: It is required that the following information be provided for each day of the tour (When weather changes so might the itinerary). and fill out details over and over again that the council already has on file.

    Sorry for the attitude but I know from past experience that every little detail is hard to give when you away from home.

  14. More good stuff!!


    "Adult-imposed competitions in an adult-imposed format to vindicate a rigid adult notion of what patrols should look like? Nah. That is adult-led stuff." not the case at all. I did not impose a thing, just mentioned it and watched the light bulbs light up above their heads.


    "I will have to suggest to the SPL a compitition between patrols tomorrow night at the meeting."

    Notice the word "SUGGEST". The PLC decides what our Troop will do. We as leaders are there to mentor. If the PLC does not like it that is fine but guess what, they jumped all over it. On their own they planned out the next 2 months meetings and picked a Scout Skill to work on for each meeting. They were excited to get started.








  15. Currently We have 13 Scouts split into 2 patrols. Each patrol consists of 5 Scouts. My SPL, ASPL and Troop Guide lead the show. I am Getting Scouts from 2 differant packs at cross over. I am told 6 Scouts from each pack so we are almost doubling in size.

    I know we will need a new patrol so the meeting before cross over the Troop will elect a new PL and he will select an assistant. The next part of the process is why I ask the question that started this thread.


    I REALLY beleive in MIXED AGE patrols because it has worked out with our current 2 patrols.

    Now we need to work on using the patrol method more proficient. When I took over the Troop had 2 patrols but they did everything as 1 big patrol, I need to guide the Troop "back to basics".

    Beavah, you are a wealth of knowledge I will have to suggest to the SPL a compitition between patrols tomorrow night at the meeting.

  16. It's good to see everyones thoughts.

    Our Troop is mixed ages, just the way it has always been. It might stem from beeing a small Troop with only one patrol and all at once getting 4 new scouts. Now the Troop needs an aditioal patrol so the Troop elects a PL. The new PL choose an APL, these 2 Scouts go to the new patrol and the new Scouts are split up to even out the patrol size. Next thing you know we have mixed age patrols with older Scouts leading and teaching and the new Scouts learning.

    My initial concern is making sure that the new Scouts get the same oppurtunity by being put into a patrol that is well balanced.

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