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  1. I agree with all replies especially Mafaking. Eagle, for me it is gold bond medicated powder
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    Win All You Can

    X, There is not a Woodbadger alive that will EVER forget that game. Mention win all you can to anybody that has played they are not going to forget the lesson or the moral. I just think you should reserve the details for those going to the course, there's no secrets but we had one person in my Patrol that talked about a lot of phases of the course. I don't wsnt to know how the movie ends while I'm watching it. Titanic is and exception also and WW2 movie. I know Hitler dies in the end.
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    Does the uniform drive kids away?

    This kid looks like he's is going to take my order at Burger King http://www.scoutshops.com/acatalog/scouts-uniform.html Heck Baden your namesake wore ribbons with his uniform. I agrree I'm not wearing "Class A's to the next canoe trip. Those British prices ain't exactly cheap when you do the conversion to dollars and don't forget about the VAT(I am not sure it applies). Ours are still more expensive. Adel, what do you mean by "tactical". I've been tactical in Beirut and Kuwait, there ain't a darn thing that is cool about it. With all the weight I carried and sleeping in the rain tactical and comfortable are mutually exclusive.
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    Win All You Can

    I thought the game was valid given the context of the WB course. I don't believe there will ever be world peace though it is something to strive for. The game does bring out emotions and is symbolic in it's teaching. Google Jonathan Swift's "A Modest Proposal". I think he had a point to make I think the game does too. I wish you had not divulged the entire game here because I think it has worth and you have basically ruined the value to those heading for the course. As a commissioned sales rep I have a very stressful job that I feel is one of the last bastions of capitalism left in a "strong carry the weak" world. I agree it is against the laws of nature not to be in competition. I am not at all for the everybody gets a trophy mindset. I thought the game was more about honor and keeping your word to others. That is what I left the game with.
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    Does the uniform drive kids away?

    So J what would your uniform look like? I agree with tee shirts but I'd like something a little nicer for COH and helping people in the public eye. What would we march in parades with? Let's look at what the Marine Corps does, they know a bit about uniforms. First you have Utilities, camo uniform used for getting dirty. Mechanics wear coveralls to fix hummers, Amtracks and helos. So thats your "Class B". For anyone in "combat arms" this is what they wear every day, except for more formal occasions. For more formal occasions we have "Service". The summer service "C" uniform looks 85% like the current uniform that "everybody" loves to loathe. In fact Oscar de la whatever did not deserve a nickel for designing the uniform he just saw some young PFC or Lance Corporal in an airport at the last minute and poof, that's what we had for years. Next comes "Dress" which we don't need. It just shows the three levels. You are never going to get one uniform to do everything. I sure as heck don't want to become an all Tshirt group. But if there's a chance to mess up your uniform with stray sparks while DO cooking or picking up trash, a unit (Troop level) conceived Tshirt is the way to go. Goes back to the original statement that there is a time and a place (and a uniform) for everything.
  6. I hate when units say this is "an unofficial activity". You can't obey half the rules What they should say is, "Insurance is not covering this and the organizers are personally liable, you, "yourself" are on your own." My daughter wants to go to law school but the profession and the current American mindset on liability needs to change. The thought of winning LOTTERY type settlements has to go away. We have had one Patrol camping trip in our Troop in recent memeory. Three kids went and three came back and they had a great time. No attorneys needed for that outing. Problem is they rule both major political parties with an iron fist wrapped around the soft parts of those who govern. Try changing that! This needs to be fought at the highest level. Would a weeklong Patrol leaders course solve the skill and safety question? I would like some scumbag lawyer to write the liability lecture and Kudu to write the rest of the training outline.
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    Combining a trip to DC with a Pack/Troop camp?

    Our Troop stayed at Greenbelt in Maryland. Google it. There is even a Scout area or there was two years ago. Air and Space is a must. Tuesday evening Parade at the Marine Corps War Memorial(the Iwo Jima Monument). The postal Museum is kind of cool. good luck
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    Leadership

    I would give a lot to have three or four Scouts like you in the Troop. As Brent said make sure you are mentoring the younger boys. Teach them what you were taught. Best of luck to you!!! Dean and Eamon were spot on here. I hope your Troop does well.
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    Leadership

    I would give a lot to have three or four Scouts like you in the Troop. As Brent said make sure you are mentoring the younger boys. Teach them what you were taught. Best of luck to you!!! Dean and Eamon were spot on here. I hope your Troop does well.
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    Pack Hats

    One other note. The new parents seem to really appreciate it that you are trying to save money. I told them to throw the $40 towards camp. Camp is fun.
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    Pack Hats

    Lisa has it correct. 4 times 12.99 is shy of $52. Tiger, wolf, bear, Webelos. Some boys can just wear one adjustable hat for 4 years, sometimes two if they get lost, lost. The names are great on the back. Helps the cubmaster know even the smallest boys.
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    Pack Hats

    About 7 years ago our CM was a US Navy Commander. He was very used to seeing people in navy blue baseball caps with their ships name embroided on them. They are common on every ship in the navy. We got PACK 3210 ANYTOWN on Thames ,NY on the front and the Cub's name or polite nick name on the back. They lasted the boys for all their years in Cubs and turned a $50 something dollar expense into a $12 epense over the 4 1/2 years that a Cub goes from Tiger to WEEB 2. I know it wasn't official but there was never a wayward hat from no knowing whom it belonged to and all the boys looked the same. We used the official neckers for each year. I used to like only having one kind of slide too, but heck the money spent on lost slides alone is the only thing that keeps the books balanced at National. Worked for us, "your actual mileage may vary". Our DE saw the Cubs plenty of times and never said a thing. The Pack still carries on the same practice. The Troop does too. All the best to you.
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    Does the uniform drive kids away?

    As I look back on the original post I spoke about a lack of conformity for uniforming and over conforming in clothing styles. Brown, I always look at people's past posts. It gives you some insight into where the person comes from and what may have formed their thoughts.And you are correct it is quite easy to count to 9 and put 3 over the top and get.33333. But don't belittle a concern about uniforming that somebody else may have. I would argue that you can surely have a great Troop with shirts and neckers and blue jeans all day long. I'm sure you do. Heck we went camping twice this year, I hope you went more. I hope every Troop in America went more. Frankly our troop has been much more healthy just a short time ago. I'm not looking for robots, I'm trying to decipher what kids want and why getting a piece of surgical steel jabbed into the side of one's nose is so much more fun that taking a little pride in how you look and maybe raising the bar a bit when it comes to appearance. The last thing I want to do is fight with somebody I'm never going to meet that lives 1500 miles away, but I also don't want that person to blow off a legit concern that I may have. I came to hear what works for you and many others: not it wasn't your COH Nobody is asking you to leave the uniform topic alone. As far as a perfect Troop I'll settle for one where they focus on having a good time 99% of the time and 1% they can get it together to look like they have a little pride in their organization
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    Does the uniform drive kids away?

    short, which reply was harsh? mine or? the equiv of forget about what your question, statement or concern was, nobody cares----which was it? Brown stated, "I was his court not yours" actually the Troop and the family work very hard to put this together. Our Troop gives $125 to each family to help them throw this "party" for the Eagle. Finally, I said it bothered me. I did not say anything to the Scout nor did I send him home. Had it been my son's COH he would have been asked to go change. Brown, Now we agree I do hear adults talk about uniforming more than kids. However comma The Eagle COH is for parents, grandma's, aunts and uncles and the boy. It carries with it some ounce of "something worth getting dressed up for". When the Town Supervisor come to read the town proclaimation she wears a dress, when to town judge comes he wears a jacket and tie. The School principal wears a tie. We just must be out of step with the rest of the world. The words in some selected ceremonies talk about the long trail to Eagle, how much work it was, etc. It ain't running to the corner store for milk. I do agree there are other things that need attention besides uniforms---but this is the UNIFORM area of the website. The subject was uniforms. In fact 33% of your posts have said don't worry about uniforms on the unform area.
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    Does the uniform drive kids away?

    "I don't think the boy getting his eagle was to concerned about another boys choice of shoes. I am sure he was happy that he came. I was his court and not yours. " Wow! I guess you sure set me straight. You can know what a Scout is feeling all the way from KC. Are you equally good a stocks and bonds and powerball numbers?
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    Does the uniform drive kids away?

    Hal, I write plebeian stuff all the time. Do us both a favor and kindly hit "ignore this user". Lisa, "All of the boys and adults in my son's troop show up to pretty much everything in full uniform. Over time, it becomes ingrained that this is just how the troop functions. Older boys take on the responsibility of passing it along to the next generation of scouts who join. " We too have a requirement of a full uniform for BOR. EXCEPTION: A Scout does not have to own Scout pants(new style old style etc.) during his first year with the Troop. We figure after a year a Scout knows if he wants to continue. I just wish we had boys that believed enough in the program to want to be proud enough of the organization to desire to do their best to be completely uniformed. We have two Troop meetings a month. The first you wear your uniform the second you wear a Troop T shirt. Not a tall order IMHO. We do wear the uniform when we leave for long Trips or weeklong camp. Boys really have no opportunity to wear a uniform to school. A small number used to wear them to Cub meetings right after school. I want to be the SM of a unit where the Scouts want to wear a uniform. Do I want mind control? No. I guess I just want them to run a unit where they want to be there and buy into the program. The uniform is a small but visible part of that. Boomer, I am expecting the kids to make it interesting. They pretty much have carte blanche. They should know what interests them.
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    What would you have at a POW WOW

    Please excuse my tardiness here. Google twin rivers council pow wow. I personally think our council runs one heck of an event. The Guy who runs it deserves all the credit in the world. Cubs love soda bottle water rockets. The water shoots all over. the rocket flys farther than you can imagine and the cost is one empty 2 liter bottle and some cardboard fins. PM me and I will email the power piont for the class. Another class I would like to see is a crystal radio class. It is a bear elective that I see fading into the lime light. It was in the first cub book in 1930. It is in the cub book now but I'd be willing to bet not 1000 cubs did it last year.
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    Does the uniform drive kids away?

    Lisa, Please comment again but don't focus on the ACLU. We agree on very little but I am always ready to "hear" (really read) what you have to say. "While the ACLU fights for acceptance for everyone's individual expressions, why are those of the BSA; uniforms , standards, and customs being critized by a vocal group both in and out of Scouting?" Please strike that and add: "While many fight for acceptance for everyone's individual expressions, why are those of the BSA; uniforms , standards, and customs being critized by a vocal group both in and out of Scouting?" When the ACLU begins to fight for gun rights as strongly as the right to call an image of a crucifix in a glass pitcher of urine "art"--they may have some street cred. We can fight about them if you wish to pm me. Let us talk about uniforms and the zeal to be smartly turned out as we present the image of Scouting.
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    What if we just completely did away with uniforms?

    Twocubdad, What is pride , Espirit de Corps, class, realizing there is a time and a place for certain behavior? Contemorize Man!!!!!!!! That bilge was tossed for: "it feels good now", mind your own business, the rules and guidelines are for other people, and if I really screw up there will be some gov't agency to clean up the mess at other people's expense. Now that's progress
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    Eagle Question in terms of $

    Nick, Nobody is browbeating you about the church paying for this, it's just we know that organizations that want improvements to their property have funds earmarked for fencing and asphalt, shingles and such. Maybe a visit with the Scoutmaster and you and the board of the church could get this back in track. Communication is key. Best wishes, and I hope you make the Eagle rank happen.
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    How Common are Cub Scout Resident Camps?

    Camp Boyhaven is located in Middle Grove, NY on State Route 29 just nine miles west of Saratoga Springs. The camp is owned and operated by Twin Rivers Council, Inc. with offices located at 253 Washington Avenue Extension, Albany, New York 12205.
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    Temporary insignia for leader

    Lad, That space on your uniform has some pretty wide latitude. Proudly wear that patch and I hope it is not long before you do something that is even better in your eyes so you will want to replace it.
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    Eagle Question in terms of $

    A life Scout in our church built an outdoor meditative area. He called Outback Steak and held a dinner. Sold 400 tickets. For $9 each my family all had a great meal and he earned more than enough for his project. For both projects (his and yours) why isn't the church paying for the materials? It is a capital improvement to the church. Heck they are getting service hour labour at least they could buy the raw materials.
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    Temporary insignia for leader

    I think if either patch prompted a boy to say: "Mr Ozark did you get that as a kid? What did you do to earn it? Those discussions are always great. If I had the Govenor Dewitt Clinton Council freeze-out patch from my youth I would proudly wear it.
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    Temporary insignia for leader

    I think if either patch prompted a boy to say: "Mr Ozark did you get that as a kid? What did you do to earn it? Those discussions are always great. If I had the Govenor Dewitt Clinton Council freeze-out patch from my youth I would proudly wear it.
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