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  1. Tampa Turtle

    Virtual Campfire

    Ah yes I believe Whitey got revenge on one of the boys, Donnie, when they were playing 'tank' in the woods with some old wooden packing crates they would crawl inside. Donnie was buttoned up inside the 'panzer' so the rest of the scouts put brush and leaves on top ("for atmosphere" my dad would say) and set it on fire. Donnie bailed out of the flaming 'tank' in most realistic fashion. Dad said he was not worried as they all had the "Firemanship" merit badge and an old seltzer fire extinguisher they used to put it out which was fun too. I think the Troop was basically my Dad's patrol of friends and hoodlums and going boy scout camping was walking 30 minutes out of town into the woods with cigarettes, canned goods, and the occasional can of beer. Sometimes they would stop by the Scout leaders house on the way out Friday afternoon and he might swing by with a car on Sunday monday to check on them and drive them back in time for church where my dad was an alter boy (!). Dad ended at Tenderfoot (cars and girls) but I still have his Bugle which my son played and took on campouts. I also have his old handbook, the green 4th edition. I loved reading as a boy because it argued that scouts were encouraged to bath more than once a week and it would not make them sick.
  2. Tampa Turtle

    Virtual Campfire

    My grandfather was a NYC firefighter who once was carrying a lady down a ladder from a 4th story window. The lady had barricaded the door, put her head in a gas oven, and turned on the gas. Neighbors smelled gas called the FD but they couldn't break down the door. It was the 1940's and apparently grandpa didn't have a breathing device then, got too much a dose of gas, and passed out going down with the lady on his back. Bounced down the ladder all the way and while he was hurt he survived. At which point in the story us hero worshiping youngsters asked if he had managed to save the lady. His reply was (edited for spicy language) 'heck no, I fell on top of her and she brook my fall. Doesn't bother me...crazy woman wanted to kill herself anyway." At which point he would start on to 'worst car crash' stories and mom would whisk us away. He didn't seem all that bothered but then again he drank pretty heavily. Grandpa went on partial disability, retired young and became a fire chief in a one-horse New England town. My father liked those years as a boy (and a scout) because he got to live in the 2nd floor of the fire house over the engines. Since the town was so small it didn't even have a theater on Friday nights they backed the equipment out of the garage and showed movies on the wall for 25 cents. My dad would run upstairs and make popcorn on the stove to sell for a dime. He said a lot of folks didn't have the dime and so he gave it away. Occasionally folks would later bring him stuff in exchange which is how he got a live grenade from a returning G.I. And THAT was Dad's good Scout story which included an explosion, what ever happened to Whiteys ear, the police, and a lot of cigarettes. I never learned who this Whitey was. He was in another scout story where he shinned 20' up a skinny tree to look for a (supposed) bear and was too scared to come down. His patrol's solution was to chop down the tree with Whitey on top. Occasionally many years later when my dad's old pals would swing by Florida to visit after a few drinks I would hear one of them say "remember when we cut down Whitey's tree?"
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    Philmont Announcement - March 27

    There have been times in my family scouting career where we deserted Mrs Turtle that a proposed trip like this would have smoothed the waters. So I can see the utility.
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    Philmont Announcement - March 27

    The LDS units...did they get to use Donkeys or Hand Carts?
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    Philmont Announcement - March 27

    Yea, I think this is just better marketing of something that was always available and making lemonade out of the lemons of less crews signing up this year (for whatever reason). Given the popularity of National Parks I think they may be exploiting an available market.
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    Camping Distance for Adults

    That would not work at many sites here. Great competition for the best ones and they will just walk away.
  7. Tampa Turtle

    Family Scouting Update

    Yeah, I have not been to one in the last 5 years that did not have a few young ladies (venturers, sea scouts, foreign exchange scouts) as counselors.
  8. Nothing wrong with games just as long as every campout doesn't become game club. IMHO.
  9. If an activity causes a lot of disruptive issues it should be within the SM's power to ban. I would talk to the SPL and see if there is a solution.
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    Linked Troops - What are these?

    My observation as well. They are like separate solar systems that orbit around some mysterious mid-point. Occasionally a member from one gender may shoot across in an eccentric orbit for a short visit but then go back. Even in High School band (which is 14-17) where sections are coed there is significant 'clumping' of males and females. However there are coed friendships (duh, of course), as well as attempts at flirting.
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    Linked Troops - What are these?

    I assume this Wold Jambo affect?
  12. Tampa Turtle

    Linked Troops - What are these?

    My wife says I keep sounding like Sally talking to the Carrie Fischer character in "When Harry Met Sally". She is having an affair with a married man who is never gonna leave his wife and despite all her friends saying he is never gonna leave she is still wondering "is he ever going to leave?". I must take this "Scout is Honest" to heart too much. Mrs Turtle told me this was exactly going to happen that we would be forced to go co-ed no matter what the locals thought and all the rest was placating and posturing because the official line just wouldn't work. She also predicted two stock market crashes that I told her "no the experts say...". I probably should listen to her more. National is just mucking up the transition needlessly. I guess (to loop back to an earlier discussion) the only issue is if they are being duplicitous or incompetent. I'd lean toward 'sneaky' but then when I see the upcoming Summit bill I swing back to 'stupid'. (that said I have many planks in my eye as well). BTW is it just me or is their a LOT more of a push for getting folks to Philmont this summer?
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    Linked Troops - What are these?

    My word of advice for the family is to be careful of joining too early if they intend to go for Eagle someday. I have seen several scouts who file their Eagle application with a date that was too early and it stops the whole train because that may be the one time it really gets checked. If they are 18 and running out of time it adds to the stress. Even unofficial early tag-alongs can get messed up if awards are recorded by volunteers before the official date.
  14. Son#2 who is 18 and still hanging around the Troop is active in OA (Brotherhood) and wants to know (as he is searching for a roll the last two years of High School) if there are any OA rules against him being the official Troop adviser?
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    Derby Car

    We always had workshops, often several but no pre-cuts.
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    Derby Car

    After seeing an 'Officially Licensed by BSA' series of pre-cut cars (Formula shapes, truck shapes) at Lowes this weekend (the 'racer series') I withdraw my earlier comments about ANY restrictions about ANYONE following the rules. Why should everyone bother to work from the same block of wood? Why not just let the richest kid buy the best pre-built car on EBay...it will be good training for the boys to find out early that some parents will but their boys every advantage eventually into college. Just make sure BSA can get a cut on the sale. Maybe National should just tax the fastest cars? I don't know why, yet again, I care about enforcing BSA rules when the biggest eroder is the National organization. Why do I even bother.
  17. Son#2 who is 18 and still hanging around the Troop is active in OA (Brotherhood) and wants to know (as he is searching for a roll the last two years of High School) if there are any OA rules against him being the official Troop adviser?
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    Buzzfeed - CSE Surbaugh - Girls - Scouter.com

    I have strong opinions on this but since my unit years ago voted for no neckers I feel I must keep them to myself... (OK OK over the collar looks better)
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    Camping Distance for Adults

    Regardless we are trying to build "resilient youth" (to get all buzzwordy) and we do that through the outdoor method.
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    Derby Car

    We have allowed minor repairs by boy only especially if wheels fly off in the excitement. The glue thing is tricky--do it wrong and you get glue on the wheel and it stops turning.
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    Buzzfeed - CSE Surbaugh - Girls - Scouter.com

    I thought I was very well behaved as I silently repeated my mantra "I am a volunteer, I don't have to do this" 100x. One of these same kadies is the GSUSA Mom who said her son "better hurry up and get his Eagle before age 15 or all this time has been wasted".
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    Minimal Effort Eagle

    Be optimistic. Be friendly. Be prepared to have Council cut you off at the knees. Sometimes the boy might need to shop another Troop. I see this as well.
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    Buzzfeed - CSE Surbaugh - Girls - Scouter.com

    YPT Module 013 Mixed Gender Camping "How to keep your Scoutx campout from turning into a Scoutxxx campout."
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    Buzzfeed - CSE Surbaugh - Girls - Scouter.com

    Scoutx (the x is for the shared chromosome.)
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    Questions about "Boy Led" Troop

    I think I had the same sprinters on the same hike! The "wait at the fork for the group to catch up" was ignored. Eventually took more than an hour before we got in contact with them (an angry bull blocked their progress) and I was a little anxious.
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