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  1. Concerns with coed rules, leadership, liability

    Too bad Blacksmithing was cancelled in 1952. We might be able to recruit more girls with it.
  2. Concerns with coed rules, leadership, liability

    My son loved stalking tracking during the Centennial year. Almost every camp I have been to boasts a Blacksmithing station in the backwoods part of the camp and still display their sadly aging taxidermy animals. I wished they still had them as options.
  3. Concerns with coed rules, leadership, liability

    They have completely muddied the message and when a few scouters from the Troop contacted folks at the Council we got mixed messages about "Family Changes" to the Boy Scouting program. They ranged from a "a more open family emphasis" to "nothing will change". Anyone else.
  4. Concerns with coed rules, leadership, liability

    Yup. People just do it. It used to be assumed you would not show up without special permission. The words "ruined the camp-outs" have been bandied about. I will say some of the scouters seem to enjoy chatting up the more comely younger mom all weekend and let the boys do whatever...
  5. Concerns with coed rules, leadership, liability

    Exactly. It is already happening...perhaps National is just recognizing the trend and embracing it. Maybe the "Helicopters have just landed" and I have been out maneuvered!
  6. Fat Tuesday Dinners

    They'll still be good by Easter. Longing makes the wait all the sweeter. Don't do what my mum did in 1940 --store them under the bed next to the radiator. As for pancakes one son drowns it in faux maple syrup and the other in honey. As a diabetic I skip the whole thing. One of my wife's favorite V-day memory was the heart shaped pizza I tipped the pizza parlor into making the first year we were married. The guy signed the inside "Pizza by Gus". We were so poor an $8 pizza on our card table in the first apartment was living it up. I think I wrote a poem too and engraved it on a sheet of metal. Young love--that was 30+ years ago. <3
  7. Concerns with coed rules, leadership, liability

    EXCELLENT sexy data...highly recommended viewing.
  8. Concerns with coed rules, leadership, liability

    (1) BSA National has made the announcement and cannot go back. (2) BSA has announced a "Separate but Equal' policy. (3) A few will try "Separate but Equal", some will ignore it and go "co-ed", and most will lack the manpower to pull it off. (4) Some units who try to stay "Boy Only" will face a PR disaster when some girl gets turned away. Only if a religious based National C.O. backs them up will this be tenable. (5) National will have no choice but to "relax" the policy on separate units. It is only a temporary tactic. (6) None of this will change the fundamental problems (program, culture, program, finances) BSA is facing. In fact it is a distraction.
  9. Concerns with coed rules, leadership, liability

    That is what Scout Son #2 who is pretty wise in these matters thinks BSA is on the brink of disaster--not because of the girls (he really doesn't care except it will drive 2/3rd of his patrol away or that is what they say) he thinks it is the erosion of the traditional youth-led patrol method that is getting watered down by parents and BSA lets things like Merit Badge Academies turn scouting into an Eagle race. (He said some of those are nice guys but all they care about is their individual goal not the patrols) He said it is the old time old school 'real' scouters that made his experience worthwhile and too many of them have quietly announced they are leaving because of the policy change. These are exactly the people needed to push against the parents who want to take it from the boys. I think he is having regrets from seeing the Troop that he has put so much work in degenerate so quickly. He is still helping out though he aged out.
  10. Concerns with coed rules, leadership, liability

    Yes like there will be parallel Troops.
  11. Has your troop ever gone to Disney World?

    It's expensive but so are things that National runs like Philmont, Jambo, Seabase. We did the Yorktown at Patriots Points and it was $175 a kid. Transportation costs are the killer. But then Disney is only 90 minutes away for us.
  12. Virtual Campfire

    I will amend: "No one People too lazy to use Google seems to do know where it came from."
  13. Virtual Campfire

    No one seems to do know where it came from.
  14. Concerns with coed rules, leadership, liability

    We need a new term for the two separate but equal Troops with the same leadership-- are Troops that ignore the BSA guidance "Rosa Parks" Troops? Are you going to be doing the same meeting time? Will the "ghost girl" Troop have its own SPL, etc --that will speed up that POR requirements! Or will the boys and girls just rotate in and out of the meetings? Extra Committee meetings but sharing the same equipment? What happens when Troop 50(male) wants to go with propane lanterns and Troop 50(female) wants solar powered? I can see a female Troop doing better with shared tents than a male Troop with their own. What happens when some boys forget their tent and 'borrow' a shared tent from the girls side of the Scout Hut? What happens when both "Troops" camp at the same location and Troop 50(male) SPL and ASPL is absent because of a big game and instead of going to the senior most PL everyone defers to the Troop(female) SPL who did show up? What if one or the boys refuses to listen to her?...is he being insubordinate or following his chain of command? Anyone who had camped with a "fellow" Troop or a merged Troop at a Camp-o-ree has seen some of those issues (usually things sink to the lowest common denominator). I am coming around the opinion shared by some on this board that (and completely aside from the issue of Girls in Boy Scouting is a good or bad idea) that National has painted themselves into a corner again...folks wanting full-gendered integration will be very unhappy with any separate but equal policy and push hard to end it quickly. Traditionalists that thought they had room to maintain a Boys Only unit will feel betrayed when National and their CO's cave or they stick to their guns and find themselves isolated and surrounded on social media? I suspect a lot will just withdraw until the dust clears and then drift away.
  15. Concerns with coed rules, leadership, liability

    My concern about the reality not matching is when we parrot the BSA company line about being separate and not 'co-ed' Troops BUT what happens (because of either policy change, wink-wink on paper units, or the exhaustion of leaders) is when we get 'co-ed' Troops WE will face the significant loss of trust. Some of the boys sitting in a "Life to Eagle" session recently I doubt they will finish before 2019 hits. They will have to make their decisions then....
  16. Concerns with coed rules, leadership, liability

    Our boys have really clammed up on this but I have seen a big, big push on boys getting Star and Life and straining about wrapping up Eagle and bailing out by December of this year. About 3x the normal activity. Some of the adults are concerned that this will rip out much of the leader and upcoming leader class out of the Troop.
  17. Virtual Campfire

    Riddle me this CSE Surbaugh: "What's fast, wood, and powered by gravity?" Answer: A Girl Scout Girls Fast Track Race! This is the kind of STEM (or is it STEAM or STEEM or STEAMER) activity that BSA should have started like in the 1950's or something. Why can't our boys (or girls now) carve blocks of wood and race them? Why can't OUR kids learn science while having fun? The gloves are off...start selling Boy Scout Cookies...just make sure they are marketed correctly (Boy Scout Cookies "Macho Mocha Mints with extra Transfats! Nothing-but-Gluten Do-see-don'ts, Bacon wrapped lardettos!"
  18. I dunna know get 2 Scots in a room and get 3 opinions. Maybe sponsored by Iron-Bru. It's made from girders you know.
  19. Virtual Campfire

    THIS is why Girl Scouts is MORE awesome than Cub Scouts! Why can't BSA get their act together so we can try an activity like this? ENRAGED! http://blog.girlscouts.org/2018/01/girls-start-your-engines-day-at-ford.html
  20. Do Tigers bite?

    For whatever reason the families I had in the Tiger-Wolf ages had a lot of separation/divorce drama (I have seen it again about Webelos II-Scout transition) for reasons I have no idea. So I think there is a valuable role to play as that steady adult influence where things are changing. If you have one of those scouts try to see if they need a little extra support especially around pinewood derby time. YMMV
  21. Concerns with coed rules, leadership, liability

    On Scout Sunday our pastor gave us a big shout out and approval and then said how we are now accepting girls! So I guess we are...
  22. Concerns with coed rules, leadership, liability

    I married a Girl Scout. Dang, they sure trained them hard on sweeping camp sites and using "sit-upons".
  23. Virtual Campfire

    We reuse electrons from the first virtual campfire in 1991 when we still called it the World Wide Web.
  24. Virtual Campfire

    So that is my problem. That and I refuse to say "White Rabbit, White Rabbit, White Rabbit" to keep the smoke away.