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  1. Tampa Turtle

    How will you talk about girls troops and packs?

    I know this a tired Meme but here goes...
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    How will you talk about girls troops and packs?

    I expect the first complaint that makes it to the Tampa Bay Times and all parties will fold and we will go Co-Ed rules be darned. Linked Troops is clearly a short interim strategy--National will change it to a Co-Ed option very, very soon. They just have to figure out how to spin it.
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    National, Religion, Membership, Oath and Law

    'A Scout is Reverent' from the BOR (and EBOR) is a pretty low, low hurdle these days. We had an Eagle who marched in and declared that he was an atheist and somehow managed to get signed off (I think his folks came pre-loaded legally). I was not there but I heard it was quite a scene. I think you can be a Druid, Wiccan, or Buddhist and get over the BSA requirement. I do think given National's spine in the face of public opinion the future of that 'G' falling is less on moral courage and more on marketing trends. Another very divisive issue. I did note at a recent High School graduation event a Senior proudly declared herself an atheist and a growing minority at the school and about 20%-25& of the kids raised their hands. So yeah it is out there.
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    How will you talk about girls troops and packs?

    Look at our situation. The current adult leadership does not want a linked girls troop. We have parents saying they want girls in. We mention the "Linked Troops" option and they are shocked and basically say it is discrimination (the words were "Second Class Scout Troop") and inferring complaints will be made. Our CO leader is very proud of our Troop and (as father of daughters) has pretty much said he does not want to tell us what to do but we better figure something out. If you cannot find enough new leaders let the girls join you". Many of our Troop leaders, who are worked to death already, are taking that in terms of getting extra work, doing extra training, and dealing with new 'girl' issues (I think that is mostly a straw man) for a change they did not ask for. Therefore many key people are quietly leaving "stage left" as the main Scout year ends. No commitments past the summer camps and hikes, no "who will do what next year", few training renewals, etc. Some of the organizational and logistical fears are a result IMHO of National dragging its feet on pushing out practical details for the older program. Ignorance breeds fear. They should have cribbed some of the Canada and UK mixed gender training early--local folks want details.
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    National, Religion, Membership, Oath and Law

    I sent you a response offline.
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    National, Religion, Membership, Oath and Law

    “We are not enemies, but friends. We must not be enemies. Though passion may have strained, it must not break our bonds of affection. The mystic chords of memory will swell when again touched, as surely they will be, by the better angels of our nature.” Keep on Scouting (whatever they call it)
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    Neckerchief history and size change

    Sorry...sometimes the better angel of my nature gets chased out.
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    SMM about WHY the Scout Law and Oath?

    I think by the hundredth time you say it, parts start to embed in the back of the brain. When I start to do something like open my mouth to say something snarky (shock I know) my conscience nudges me "A Scout is Kind" and I keep my mouth shut. If my married eyes start to give some comely lass "a second glance" I hear "A Scout is Clean" and I am reminded to look away. The older I get the more I appreciate those Laws and Oath. Some will stick with you more than others. YMMV
  9. I will miss @The Latin Scot he had a sense of humor, loved scouting, and was a voice of common sense. You could see this coming a looong way off still a bit of a shock. I can understand their dilemma. I am active in an international religious organization and the very conservative (and growing) members in Africa, South East Asia, and South America are much opposed to the social policies proposed to appeal to North Americans. You go where the growth is. But I too am sad that a story rich in Scout history is ending.😢
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    Neckerchief history and size change

    I was just trying to be helpful....if you want them to go without....
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    Neckerchief history and size change

    Well the girls could use two of the small neckers to make an emergency halter top!
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    From National: Official Name

    Boy Scouts must be saved from toxic masculinity by letting girls in ; Girl Scouts must be saved from toxic masculinity by keeping boys out. No negative messaging there.
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    From National: Official Name

  14. Tampa Turtle

    Minimum time to achieve Eagle Scout rank

    In our Troop the leaders have touted the official line. Any negative responses has been from boys and parents. They tell us, don't ask. I asked a few who stopped showing up and I heard from three parents (who did not want to say so publicly) they just didn't like the direction Boy Scouts was going or that it is not what they thought they were getting into. I was surprised I could not predict by apparent 'politics'. I think the uncertainty from National after the announcement did not help with the older boys who had an issue with how it would affect THEIR Troop now. So it acted as a stimulant for some guys to hurry up. I would say the majority of the boys are not thrilled but don't care that much. 'Scouts BSA' hurt us leaders since we read statements that "Boy Scouts of America" was to stay the name. They do not buy the name gymnastics out of Irving. However we just got a new crop of 15 newbies and another set of 10 coming in so I guess those folks don't care. I am not sure who will be the leaders as most other adults are moving on.
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    National Annual Meeting 2018 - May 23-25, Dallas

    Man I complain when the campout is $55. Why not just use a Boy Scout camp? Oh well *sigh*. Went to a ECOH last night and got to see a few boys back from college. All is right with the world.
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    National Annual Meeting 2018 - May 23-25, Dallas

    Anything with $55 for the optional breakfasts are too pricey for this Scouter. I am sure all comments will be well managed.
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    From National: Official Name

    Some folks are gonna be under some extreme pressure on that one. I still think someone will try to beat the official date and sue.
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    Smile, or Don't. Have fun with it.

    http://babylonbee.com/news/bigoted-boy-scouts-welcome-girls-but-still-exclude-all-49247-other-genders/
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    From National: Official Name

    There is a nuance to the discussion that is unfortunately been entirely missed and would have been very worthwhile. I wish we would have had time to discuss it but that is not the way the organization made the decision. At this point as the decision has been made (and rather poorly rolled out) all we can do is decide what we as individual and units are going to do.
  20. NPR had a segment with an epidemiologist that the biggest vector for tick born diseases seem to be not species like Dear (who are good for supporting populations) but urban "survivor" species such as Racoons and Rats and they are making inroads into urban areas as forest fragmentation and loss continue. A EMT at summer camp in 2010 told me IF a tick bites you or your scout to save the (live) tick in a container for a week or so in case you get symptoms. He said it would be a good help down the road if they could test the tick to narrow down exactly what you may have...could save a lot of time. I did so, put that sucker in a zip lock bag, forgot about it and unpacked 2 months later and that sucker was still alive.
  21. How soon we forget. It was only a little over a century ago those so-called "pathogens" saved us from those Godless Martians! Fiction? I hear you say Fiction? Explain THIS!
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    CSE Letter on GSUSA Infringements

    It is a sheath knife.
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    CSE Letter on GSUSA Infringements

    I have also cooperated with a local GSUSA leader on a shared activity...and then she got in trouble.
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    From National: Official Name

    Yes I found the older boys were quite aware of the social media but quite muddied by the official communications. Even among the ones who agree with the changes there was some resentment that existing Scouts are not being asked just future scouts.
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    From National: Official Name

    Mine also. Trying to decide the next act.
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