T2Eagle

I'm a COR, what the verbiage in my previous post means in practice is that I attend the annual Council meeting. At that meeting various proposals concerning the By Laws, Officer Appointments, council and board membership, etc. are voted on. The real action however happens in the monthly Executive Board meetings. So, I attended the annual meeting at the beginning of the year, where I was briefed on the then state of the bankruptcy, LC Ad Hoc Committee, etc. Since that time the executive board has met monthly, but I and the other CORs are not part of that meeting; so I've received no

Council Body The governing body is called the “council.” Because it carries the same name as the territory it serves, it will be referred to within the text as the “council body.” The council body is made up of chartered organization representatives who represent each organization chartered to operate units. Also serving on the council body are “members at large” elected by the council body. The council meets once a year, but special meetings may be called to handle special business. Council Executive Board The council body, in addition to electing officers, elects the “council

I know a kid who gets up at 5 o'clock every morning and goes to the rink to practice hockey. Most days of the week he also goes after school or in the evening for more practices and games. His parents are then willing to have the family, or some part of the family, travel just about every weekend to tournaments, camps, etc. Keep in mind there is actually a team of kids, probably about 20 souls, who are doing this with him. Insert merit badges for hockey, or swimming, or gymnastics, or spelling bee, in terms of time commitment, and it doesn't seem that hard to get to all of them.

My understanding is that National may have specified a number, but that isn't necessarily a take it or leave it number. There's certainly at least some negotiation, because if one LC opts out, the rest of the LCs have to make up the number to get to the promised $600 million. Plus, just in the vagaries of how much a camp or other property is worth there is going to be some movement before it's all settled.

I think binding is a pretty loosely used term here. At the end of the day, just like with BSA and the LCs, this is going to be a negotiated settlement with the insurers without many issues being actually, fully, litigated. The legal questions are multiplicitous and varied. With many of them having little or no direct precedent. So litigation would look like full a trial type procedure in Bankruptcy court, followed by the loser appealing and another trial in Federal District Court, followed by the loser appealing in Federal Circuit Court. That's a decade plus of thousand dollar an hour

I had a similar challenge with one of my scouts having an outside the box challenge. I would ask the Advancement Chair exactly what criteria he thinks it doesn't meet, and then see if the scout an come up with something. In my scout's case it was showing that the benefit was "lasting". So he arranged with another organization, not the primary beneficiary, to be able to do some recruiting to find volunteers (and donations) for a local soup kitchen. Your scout might find a similar organization that could maybe use some tech friendly young people as volunteers. I know one of the fi

Does #7 "An individual paid or unpaid, who, on the basis of the individual’s role as an integral part of a regularly scheduled program, activity or service, is a person responsible for the child’s welfare or has direct contact with children" mean scout leaders? .

I'm curious, what state that is. It seems hard to force anyone to report a crime if that person isn't also dependent on the state for some sort of licensing, professional protection, etc. No other crime is subject to that, up to and including murder. In my state clergy are not mandatory reporters.

That's not at all what the Charter Agreements say. The model, but not universal, language which talks about LC assets reverting to BSA in the event of a loss of Charter has been quoted here many times. LCs are non-profit corporations, incorporated in and governed by the laws of their individual states. BSA cannot dissolve those corporations, they're not owned by BSA. And the Charter agreement, essentially a contract between two corporations, does not specify that BSA can renew or withhold a charter simply at its own discretion, it's silent about that issue. What the limits of the con

I'm part of a successful troop and pack, in a pretty successful district in a pretty successful council. I've only ever known two unit level commissioners in my life, one was also a member of our troop, one was a friend wh had like 5 different COs he was commissioner for. They're nice ideas, but I've never really seen them.

Something I still don't understand is how a TCC plan would handle the LCs. What incentive would it provide that would lead them to contribute substantially more than is now being proposed?

There is, I think, an abnormal amount of this type of accusation in this case, and it has its counterparts in this forum. Any party that is not acting the way another party wants them to act can only have nefarious reasons for doing so. My bet is still on a settlement rather than extensive litigation because how all the different questions in a full blown trial/trials will be answered is not at all clear, and no one wants to roll the dice that blindly. But the constant questioning of the veracity of all sides makes the smart outcome less likely than the stupid outcome because of the e

A friend did Philmont using a rain kilt. he still swears by it. None of the other folks on the trek were convinced. We strongly recommend that new scouts/parents invest in a really good rain jacket --- Gore-Tex level, and to the extent cost is a concern we'd rather they first invest in that and we'll find all the other equipment they need. We recommend good pants if they can afford them. We have loaners of pants for trips where we know either by forecast or activity that they're going to need them. Nothing puts a new scout off camping like being cold and miserable on their first

So, one of the things alluded to in the Ad Hoc statement that is not widely known, is that not all by-laws and charter agreements are alike: "any such contractual interest – and the defenses thereto – also varies with the terms of the myriad organizational documents of individual Local Councils, as well as with the particular laws of jurisdictions throughout the United States." My council's agreement and by-laws don't use the widely quoted model language. When national first introduced that reversionary provision, they and a collection of other councils, balked, and negotiated changes f

The challenge I see with TCC or any other claimants submitting a plan is that while it may be look good to the claimants, if your postings are any indication of TCC thinking the plan will get nowhere with the non jeopardized LCs. The sample council you posted proposed the council paying in 75% of its assets. That might look good to a council in NY or CA, but I don't think my council, or a council in TX is going to go along with that. I remain very skeptical that the LC property can that easily be expropriated. At a minimum that's a years long slog of litigation before it happens. As I

I don't think anybody does any more supervising than BSA COs do, and I don't think COs ahve any extra special responsibility that is different in kind from all the other youth serving programs. I've coached rec league baseball and hockey. My qualifications to do so were that when i signed my kid up they asked if anyone wanted to help coach and i raised my hand. I filled out an application just like BSA's, I said OK to a background check just like BSA's, and I sat through an hour of training just like BSA's. No one conducted an in depth interview about how I handle kids or what ex

I'm not sure that the structure for Units with respect to COs is all that different from similar programs that rely on volunteers for the program to run. I'm part of a troop and pack chartered by a Catholic parish. The pastor always knew who the unit leaders and/or committee chairs were. But he only knew them as well as he knew the other volunteer program heads. He certainly knows who the Athletic Director is, but he doesn't necessarily know and certainly doesn't select all the various and sundry coaches, or at least to the extent he does he knows them, it's as parishioners not because

I think it's a very open question whether the charter provision really means what the claimants would like it to mean, or can be used the way the claimants would like it to be used. This provision has only been in the charter agreements for a couple of years, so first and foremost no one has ever tested it in any kind of court to find out what it means. I'm not sure that either side, certainly not the LCs, understood this to mean that, contrary to 100+ years of practice, they were effectively giving National the ability to claim their assets as its own on a whim. Are there people at nat

I started a new thread about LCs. I'm going to move some posts over. If your post disappeared that's where it went.

I don't think I understand what this is about. What would be the value added by TCC or BRG? What would they be telling councils that councils don't already know? Assuming a median level of competence, each council knows what its assets are worth. I suppose maybe a different metric on the real estate value of a camp might produce a significantly different valuation, but that seems like it would be an outlier. My council has a few decent size endowment funds, their value can be known to the penny at any given time. We also own two camps; any competent real estate appraiser is going to

Interesting, summer may be our busiest time. In normal times we have summer camp; a longer more adventurous campout, usually 4 days canoeing, backpacking, type; high adventure crews about every other year; and two weekend trips to some rural properties that friends of the troop let us camp at every year. We certainly have families on vacation, but since there's a window of no extra-curriculars from end of school until band/sports camps start up right before schools are back in, meeting attendance remains about the same. We're not a big troop, about 30 scouts on the books. Outside of s

First, a unit that takes summers off has, IMHO, bigger problems than worrying about whether to count or not count that time towards a POR. More to the point, the unit, which means the PLC and the adults assisting them, should be able to set creative expectations for any POR that can reasonably be met even if Covid is disrupting their schedules and plans. In just about every case where I've seen problems with POR expectations, and disagreements about whether a scout was fulfilling theirs, it was usually the unit that hadn't bothered to properly lay the foundation for success. Four ,

You know, leaders need things to occupy themselves all week too. Any mention of having an adult session?

There are no bears where I live, and I don't think there are any in Ames Iowa --- or in most of the more populated areas of the country. I have feeders out and filled all year round. I do know to periodically clean them with detergent and water.

That's where you lose me. Somebody lent the BSA a boat load of money to buy and develop Summit. BSA never had that kind of money to throw around, and JPMorgan didn't become JPMorgan by giving money away. Whatever twists and turns of rolling over that debt looked like, the idea that the Summit is unencumbered defies sense. Is there some assertion, let alone some proof, that JPMorgan or some precursor to JPMorgan didn't issue a bunch of debt and send out the cash to buy the property and improvements? You can make a lot of transfers of both debt and equity between LLCs more or less c