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  1. Price of a milkshake went up a quarter at the local B&R. 

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    Faith and Chaplaincy Issues

    Thank you. I appreciate the effort and dedication you and Terri exhibit for all things Scouty And now, inspired by Groucho Marx, let me say,,,, and now, on with the forum. Let joy be unconfined, let there be Faith in the streets, Chaplaincy in the camps, and hiking on the trails. Play Don.....
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    Icarus dilemma

    Oldisnewagain1 : Maybe you don't really want a … back pack.... Maybe you're asking the wrong question... https://74fdc.wordpress.com/2013/01/18/woven-backpacks-design-rooted-in-history-and-tradition/
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    Troops Chartered by Churches

    The answer, as in much of Scouting is... "it depends". Yes, the CO "owns " the Unit. Yes, if the Unit, for what ever reason should fold up and blow away, the Unit's assets would devolve to the CO. Legalities.. Yes, the CO has oversight for the Scout program, legally. The BSA programs are a franchise operation, if the program should not pass muster by the BSA folks, or by the CO's folks, the Unit could be in trouble. Budget? Events? Leadership approval? Public view? Does the Scout Unit really show the CO to it's best ? All considerations if the CO so chooses. But... A Scout is Trustworthy. There must be a certain understanding between the CO (thru the COR and the IH , yes?) about who is in charge of the Unit's operation, events, money, Scout stuff and the Scout Unit Leaders. Yes, there is such a thing as too much micro-managing. But it is also a good thing if the CO takes an interest in "their" Scout Unit. Many (most?) COs have a hands off attitude (we don't bother them, they don't bother us) toward their Scout units. "Isn't it good, we like Scouting, looks good on our publicity, XYZ organization sponsors a Scout Pack/Troop" sort of thing, without a thought of "doing" anything about it. Sign a piece of paper once a year, how ya doin'? Good, see you next year... I would counsel looking on this as an opportunity to foster trust, knowledge of the wonderfulness of Scouting, seek to gain more support and (!!) Volunteer Leaders. Service to your church? Good publicity? An involved COR ( he/she is the voting member of Council !) is a VERY good thing. Smile and answer their questions. Submit a budget? Plan for the year ahead? Talk about the wonderful young people you work with? The Church has Eagle Scouts in it's history? I hope you have a plaque on the Church Social Hall wall listing these accomplished young people. Is this new concern an annoyance? An obstacle to your Scouts being Scouts? Or is it a blessing in disguise? A Scout is also Loyal , and Cheerful and.... Oh, and GrammaScout? Welcome to the forums, thank you for your concern for your ("your !" ) Scout Troop, and Good Scouting to you ! Notice how realistic the virtual smoke is as it follows you around the eCampfire, no matter where you sit....
  5. Doesn't Scouts Canada have a highest rank, equivalent to the BSA Eagle? If she earned much of her Scout Skills in the Scouts Canada program, perhaps Ms Ireland might pursue that ? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queen's_Venturer_Award
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    Faith and Chaplaincy Issues

    Always good to see questions concerning religious bias here in the Faith and Chaplaincy forum. Oh, wait...
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    Duty to God question

    Always good to see reasoned discussion here in the Faith and Chaplaincy forum. Oh, wait....
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    Eagle Workbook questions

    Yeah, pity the poor Assyrian Scout. That cuneiform is a real bear to get straight on that clay....
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    Duty to God question

    While I have your attention, I am reminded of the agnostic, dyslexic insomniac. Poor man lay awake all night wondering if there is a dog....
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    Duty to God question

    *sigh* "By their fruits ye shall know them". Most Scouts do their DtG without even knowing it. This is, as has been said, not a pass/fail thing. "Tie a bowline" Yep. "Point out Poison Ivy". Yep. "Recite the Scout Promise". Yep. "Live your life according to the Scout Law and Promise." ummmmmm . . . When I served as a Scout Chaplain at the Jambo, one of my duties was to sit in the "Relationship" pavilion and be "available". The Scout could earn a patch (!) by coming by and visiting their faith's exhibit. If they didn't have one, (didn't profess a faith, faith wasn't there) they could speak with the "Chaplain di jour" (me). In my 5 hour stint, I met Scouts with unique faiths (Jain? Taoist? Sikh?) and learned alittle myself. And I met a few Scouts that said, in essence, "I'm not so sure about this God stuff." and we would talk. My fellow Chaplains told similar stories. Draw them out. Logic? Science proof? Is humanity the final power in the universe? Is Catholicism/Hinduism/Buddhism/Taoism/Protestantism (choose and -ism) the final word? Define religion? I heard talk about searching, asking, wondering, finding problems without answers, that's what a Scout should be about.... Now if the Scout poo poos the idea and naysays religion and denigrates any faith, then I have a problem with his/her abidance with the twelveth point....
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    Lightweight Rain Jackets

    Choices: Over the pack, large poncho is good for standing around in the rain. I hiked with one , and concluded the sweat incurred while hiking with pack condensed on the inside of the poncho. It was almost like not wearing one. Standing still, not much problem. I have a gortex clone Marmot over the hip jacket that I like. It breathes, and sheds water. I will say, as it ages, the goretex Teflon stuff gets "dirty" and eventually passes liquid water. Ventilated vinyl ? Coated nylon? Gortex breathing fabric? Helly Hansen foul weather gear? When I rode my motorcycle regularly, I came to love the heavy duty absolutely rain and wind proof Helly Hansen rain suit I bought. Buy BIG, so it has room for breezes and even a sweater if it gets cool.
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    Who's got these Boy Scout Movies?

    Do cartoon tv shows count? Rowan Atkinson, animated....
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    Got acronyms?

    IOLS Introduction to Outdoor Leader Skills BALOO Basic Adult Leader Outdoor Orientation WWend Webelos Week End ASM Assistant Scoutmaster UC Unfortunate Commish DC Distinctive Commish ADC Assisting Distinctive Commish DDC Deputy District Commish RTC Round Table Commish ARTC Assistant RTC PPFF Purdue Perpetual Fudge Factor
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    On a less serious note....

    Scoutmaster’s Song (with apologies to Gilbert and Sullivan) When A Scouter’s not engaged in his employment (his employment) or planning to go camping with his Troop (with his Troop) his capacity for innocent enjoyment (-cent enjoyment) Can easily be knocked off for a loop (for a loop) Our feelings we with difficulty smother (-culty smother) When some Scoutmasterly duty’s to be done (to be done) Ah, take one consideration with another, (with another) A Scoutmaster’s lot is not a happy one. Ooooohhhhh… When Scoutmasterly duty’s to be done, to be done, A Scoutmaster’s lot is not a happy one. When the helicopter parent is not hov’ring (is not a hov’ring) When the Scout is not a-cutting off their thumb (-off their thumb) He loves to hear the bug-a-ler a-bugling (bugler bugling) And enjoy his tea while sitting on his bum (on his bum) When the PLC has finally decided (has decided) Where the Troop should hike on weekends yet to come (yet to come) Ah, take one consideration with another (with another) A scoutmaster’s lot is not a happy one. Ooooooohhhhh, When Scoutmasterly duty’s to be done, to be done, , His duty is often not a happy one. (happy one).
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    Icarus dilemma

    Thoughts? I never got to hike in Philmont. The senior Scouts from my Troop used army surplus plywood packframes, made their own tarp tents out of 8 mil black plastic , duct tape, and grommets, came back hyped up. Our Troop went camping a lot after that. Since the older Scouts used 'em, dad and I went out and bought the M4 plywood packframe for me, lashed the BSA Yucca pack to it, and that is what I used thru the late 1950s. No hip belt, canvas, cotton cord. When the canvas backpad started to give way, I found a open mesh one that fit and that made a world of difference in comfort. Then a friend brought a Swiss rucksack. Aluminum frame, hip belt , nylon. Wow. Instant conversion. I got a Kelty/REI packframe, and then even tried to convert the M4 with a homemade heavy hinge hip belt thingy, which bent under the load. The M4 is ready for the museum.... When my friend invited me to walk the Camino de Santiago with him, I went out and bought a new Deuter pack. I think I had a max 20 kilos . Very comfortable, extra roomy, served very well. I crafted some rings on the bottom of the pack to lash the sleeping bag to, keeping the light weight stuff on the bottom. I believe I still would favor an external frame as being more adaptable, but the internal frame Deuter was very nice. Pockets on the outside for small stuff... Rain cape, Such choices available now. "Ya pays yer money and ya takes yer cherce."
  16. Here's another life lesson for the Scout. Who do you ask for a reference? When they say no, for whatever reason, what do you do then? In the Eagle candidate's case, I really don't think it's going to make much difference. Attesting to a person's character, history , accomplishments, loyalty to an ideal (God? Creator? J-w-h? ) , is difficult at best. Again, would the lack of the letters be a reason for an Eagle denial ? Some years ago, when I needed some support for a denial I had been given, I was very gratified and surprised by the folks that came to my aid. Their refutation of the rationale given for the denial (buy me a coffee and pie for the whole story) was amazing and made me glad for their friendship and my relationship with them. References are for folks that do not know the candidate to begin with. They can help the BoR to know the candidate..
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    Treating injuries

    Summer Scout camp, lots of fun, lots of "growing up".... He accidentally hurt himself . His parents noticed the injury when they picked up their camper. He said he did NOT tell an adult when it happened, treated himself "correctly". Within 48 hours of his injury, his family took him to an ER and he is now on antibiotics, under a physicians care. Have I got all that right? When, exactly, as the SM did you become aware of this injury? What actions (report to camp authorities, , professional examination, treatment, etc.) did YOU, the adult authority, do ? How forgiving, understanding is the family? How old, experienced is the Scout? How afraid of punishment for doing something "stupid" is the Scout? Lots of collateral considerations here. Do you have a family lawyer? Just thinking out loud here.....
  18. Read the fine print, """ References: Must list all six (five if not employed). If not affiliated with an organized religion, then the parent or guardian provides this reference. There are no restrictions on who the Scout may list as the two other references. The candidate may list anyone, including parents or guardians not previously listed, other relatives, Scout leaders including those from the candidate’s unit, or other Scouts and friends. There is no requirement that any of the references be 21 years of age or older. "" (from https://www.scouting.org/resources/guide-to-advancement/eagle-scout-rank/ ) In my career, I have never heard of any candidate have his references questioned. Of course, a candidate wouldn't list folks he might not expect a good comment from.
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    Who's got these Boy Scout Movies?

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    Who's got these Boy Scout Movies?

    Is "Hatchet" optioned yet?
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    Who's got these Boy Scout Movies?

    Howzabout this: ""Young Eagles (1934)"" *** When their around-the-world plane trip is halted by a crash in the Ecuadorian jungle, plucky Eagle Scouts Bobby (Bobby Cox) and Jim (Jim Vance) will need all their survival skills as they battle wild animals, hostile natives, and ruthless, treasure-seeking bandits to reach safety in this thrill-packed serial. Carter Dixon co-stars. 12 episodes; 3 3/4 hrs. on two discs. Standard; Soundtrack: English. ((TCM Store catalog))
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    Patrol Method not so much

    Friend Fred: I was in the Eagle Patrol in my Scout Troop It had been the Eagle Patrol for some years previous, had gear collected, a "treasury bag", and ribbons on it's Patrol flag (!). I was in the Eagle Patrol until I graduated out of Scouts. It was in existence for some years, I found out, after I left, but eventually dissipated when the Troop came on hard times. Same Patrol, different boys coming in and out. Different ages , therefore. As I got older, I went from Patrol member, to Patrol Quartermaster (cook kits, tents/tarps) and treasurer, and Patrol Leader. Assigning chores on hikes and camp outs was the toughest part, I guess. That is my model in judging B-P's "traditional" Patrol. I had friends of my age and older and younger in it. When I visit the Troop Meeting place/CO, I look at the Eagle Plaque and remember the faces..... The other two types I generalized about usually last only as long as there are Scouts of a certain age or rank. Even the "new boy" Patrol is designed to disappear when the Scouts get too old. If a Scout only has the one type of Troop/Patrol to experience, they may say "that's the way Patrols SHOULD work" and leave it at that. If the Troop Adults don't worry about their interference ("we' have to control and make everything safe") in the Scout culture, then that will be the Troop culture. I still remember my stints as a sub teacher, and how hard it is to get today's middle schoolers to give out an original idea, rather than sit there and wait for the teacher's instruction.....
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    Patrol Method not so much

    Rain: Your comment about the Scouts forming informal groups is telling. A Patrol should be a bunch of friends to learn/go/do/see/hangout/camp/hike/movie/ together. As you go thru Scouting, you will see three types of Patrols, which leads to three types of Troops: **The traditional Patrol is mixed age, the older Scouts just naturally gravitate to leadership positions. New Scouts are assigned to a Patrol because their buddies are there, the Patrol has room (no more than eight), or the Scouts have gravitated there due to neighborhood. The Troop may/may not have a ASM "Troop Guide" assigned to "advise". Usually, this type of Patrol leads to a Senior Scout cadre, who go off to do High Adventure Stuff, too, separate from the original Patrols. Troop may name Instructors, but the PL is expected to train "his" Scouts in the various skills, and often pass them for rank. Traditionally, the Patrol MIGHT (!) have "Patrol Dad" as a mentor, but not always. Patrol only activities are expected, encouraged. Adult accompaniment may /may not be seen as required. ** The Age Patrol has all the Scouts of the same age and general rank. They joined together (crossed over Webelos?) and stay together. This leads the Troop to have older Patrols and younger Patrols, which often makes it hard for any type of competitions. The older Patrols rank out, become Venturers, and leave the younger ones behind. eleven year old PL? yep. By it's very nature, the Troop assigns a ASM Patrol Guide to the Patrol, to "guide " them. Yes, there can be Patrol Only activities, but the ASM guide must approve.... ** New Scout Patrol (method) has the new Scouts all in one Patrol for the first year at least, during which time they are encouraged/required/led/expected to gain First Class. After the first year, the Scout is re-assigned to another Patrol, which may/may not be one of the first two types, "depending". The Troop that has this construct is seen as the "Adult Led" Troop. Nothing is done without the permission and planning of the Adult ASMs. There are no Patrol Activities, only under the aegis of the Troop (adult) leadership. The examples above are observed definitions. Here's an example: If a Troop 666 has a campout planned/held and the Patrols are small, oh, let's say the Stinging Nettle Patrol has 8 Scouts on the roster , but only three will be coming, and the Muddy Gumper Patrol has 7 on it's roster but only one will be coming and the Rolling Laughter Patrol has 4 on it's roster and all 4 are coming, the first Troop above would have each Patrol camp/cook/work as they come. One Scout is a Patrol here... Type two and three however, would say , meld the attending Scouts into ONE Troop Patrol for this campout. That's efficient and what the heck, the Scouts are camping, right? What is the difference between the two types of camp?
  24. I guess times have changed. I grew up in a family that went out of their way (looking back on it) to help in the community. My dad was a Lion, club president for some years. My mom was deep in the PTA, other local clubs, wrote a column in the local paper, They just did stuff, and I tagged along, helped out where I could , I remember many of my friends were of the same sort, not just in Scouts. Finding satisfaction in DOING and finishing a job. We mowed the church lawn (now it's a pro outfit), served at the church /VFD dinners, variety show raised money for various charities, the Lion's Club Horse show (I ran messages, watched the gate, led horses, ) school service club (Key Club? Leos?) were active. I remember it was fun, doing "adult stuff" , with my parents' friends. Have the kids lost the example from "millennial" parents who forgot what their parents did? When I was elected/tapped for OA, it seemed to be another step in that growth. The ordeal was a camping test (it RAINED !), and the service just a continuation of what seemed to be an expectation. Help at the Camporee? The Salamagundi? At the Scoutaree? That's what we did for the other Scouts coming up. The OA were senior, older Scouts. We taught. We led, but not so much with a finger point as with a glance over our shoulder, if you catch my meaning. I still see some of that , but maybe this thread/discussion has made me think that such civic mindedness is not as prevalent as it once was? The volunteer fire company cannot be staffed so easily any more by local businessmen and farmers who would drop their tools at the sound of the siren and come running to the firehouse. Now, the county has a professional core of wonderful "first responders" that smile and nod at the volunteers that still work to equip the fire companies and keep up the training standards, all because they think they "should". Perhaps the perceived OA "crisis" is another symptom of the friction between the Scout Led/Patrol Method and the adults who sign the check book that are afraid the kids won't do it right the first time.....
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    Activity approval

    Yep. When I promote Scouting, I speak of "Safe Adventure". We teach knots and ropes so the tents don't fall down and the backpack stays on the back and the canoe stays on the cartop. We teach camp cooking and fire safety so the kids won't be poisoned by their own cuisine and the woods will still be there next month. We teach map and compass so the Mountain Rescue Corps can sleep in over the weekend. We want the Scouts to make Good Decisions, rather than have the SM hear "HEY ! WATCH THIS !" The good decisions made are self rewarding. The poor decisions may not have a second chance. Scouting, by it's design, allows for SOME poor decisions. That's where the SM comes in....