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King Ding Dong, as I stated yesterday, the rules have changed on adult nominations. There has never been an effort to “limit†adults. The OA is a youth run organization and is designed for youth. Adults are advisers and nothing more. Adults nominated for the OA are approved by the Lodge basically on the merits of what they bring to the table in the way of resources to enable the youth. For many an adult, that means providing transportation. Don’t get me wrong, an adult still needs to meet most of the same requirements as a youth and it is still an honor to be nominated

jrush, you are correct about the unit committee nominating adults and the lodge approving them. That is the correct method for bringiing adults into OA. However, the number allowed has changed with this year. A non-OA SM with at least a year in the job is an automatic nomination. Beyond that, they can nominate 1 adult for each 3 youth elected. Seems crazy I know. I didn't like it at first. Still don't know if I do. The thinking is that many youth are not completing their Ordeal because the adult OA members in their units are not supporting them and making sure they get there. So to "r

Just like Wood Badge, an NYLT Course is limited to 48 participants. If they had over 100 youth there, they were running multiple courses. The Scouts killed by a tornado in 2008 at Little Sioux Scout Ranch in Iowa were at NYLT and also mentioned well over 100 boys in attendance. Either the journalists are getting it wrong or the council is running two courses at the same time. I can guarantee you about 99.9% that the region and national do not allow courses over the maximum. In our council we run two course a year on seperate dates. We don't have the facilities to run two programs at once

I was the Chapter Adviser up until the beginning of this year. Our Chapter did crossover ceremonies for the Packs in our District that requested them. There was a good amount of confusion from Cubbers regarding the difference between an AOL ceremony and a crossover ceremony. We were often asked to provide an AOL. I always explained that AOL is a Cub Scout recognition and needs to be handled by the pack. If they would like for us to come handle a crossover ceremony, we'd be happy to see if it fits into our schedule and accommodate you. Now, the vast majority of our crossovers were done at B&

The first year my son went to summer camp, he and a bunch of other new scouts took the fishing MB. It wasn't until Wednesday evening that we adults found out that the counselor had not been doing his job. He played cards during class time and would point to the poles in the corner of the training space and tell them they were free to take on and go fishing if they wanted to. Of course we complained to the camp director. Honestly, I don't know if the kid was fired or reprimanded. As you might guess, when we got the rocords, the boys all had partials. Here is how the SM handled it. He too

Strange, the course curriculum is built around the patrol and includes camping, cooking, first aid, pioneering, orienteering, hiking, etc. Are their "classroom" sessions that involve leadership skills like communicating, planning, etc.? Why yes there is, but we did as many as possible by individual patrol and let them pick an outdoor location(s) to hold them. It's all "in the book" and a course director takes a pledge to present the material as designed.

We really need to leave Wood Badge and NYLT out of the discussion of why a kid won’t step up to be SPL for a Jambo troop. Those training courses really aren’t going to determine who or why someone takes the position. Having been an ASM for two Jamborees and sitting on the current Jambo committee, I think I have enough experience to speak intelligently on the subject. Depending on the size of the council, here is the truth of the matter, it doesn’t lend itself to being very boy led. The council forms a committee who in turn puts out the word for adult leadership. We ba

Yes, some will desire it and some will rise to the occasion. For every kid that does step up and take that leadership position so the scouting activity can occur, there are more that didn't step up to it. NYLT exposes a youth to the concepts and gives them practical application during the course. Saying "so much for servant leadership taught at NYLT" is still short sighted. It isn't a magic bullet that transforms every kid that walks thru the door. We hope it changes their life, but it is largely up to them what they do with what they are taught. If you have no one wanting to step up to

Having been an NYLT Course Director this past fall, I can assure you that the "troop method" is not taught.

As I said, some will desire it and rise to the occasion and some won't. Servant leadership doesn't mean a doormat. It's a choice. I don't know any scouters.....even among the most dedicated....who will do any and everything requested of them. We all have boundaries and boys are no different. Do you really want a boy as your Jambo SPL who doesn't want the job? Do you think he'll be good at it? Do you think he should accept the position simply based on the fact that he attended a training course that teaches servant leadership? Do you think he "gets it" just because he attended and was e

I was a Jambo ASM in 2005 and 2010. Regardless of a boy's service record in his troop or OA as well as whether or not he has been to NYLT......he is going to Jambo to have fun. Having to help herd 35 other scouts as young as 12 years old thru airports, tour buses, restaurants, etc and then make sure they are pulling their weight in camp has limited appeal. There are some who desire it and will rise to the occasion, but there will be more who look at it as a vacation and fun time. Right, wrong or indifferent, that is just the truth of the matter. Judging the value of NYLT by who will step

I don't know, but I'd say someone is doing something wrong. Our council does two course per year and we always fill both courses. I was the course director last fall, so I sit on our NYLT committee and see our feedback from participants. Literally, all of the feedback we have received from youth and adult volunteers has been positive.

Would you ever recommend to one of your youth to NOT go to NYLT because it would be a waste of their time? Basically it is the same material as WB. If you think it would benefit them, why do you doubt it would benefit you?

About as often as discussions of sexuality come up........next to never.

Putting on my mod hat for a minute, I'm not going to alter or delete anything in this thread. That being said, this isn't the politics forum and we need to be mindful of the Oath and Law regarding the language we use.

I attended the last two Jamborees as an ASM and I'm on my Council's Jambo committee for this Jambo. Please keep in mind that there are 10's of thousands of participants and staff attending and calling national......regardless of how frustrated you are.....probably isn't going to get you the results you desire in the time frame you expect. I'd go thru the Jambo SM first who will talk to the Jambo committee chair or the council professional assigned to the committee. This professional can find and contact someone at national much quicker than you can. If you think you must, then do an end ru

qwazse, I deleted your duplicate thread for you.

Good read. The ABS posted on facebook this weekend about the challenges that Baptist indivduals and charters will face in light of the change. I posted my thoughts which were not popular with some of my Baptist brethern. I did post the link here on the facebook page because it states more eloquently what I was trying to say. That it comes from the ABS past president will hopefully carry more weight than my thoughts.

The speed seems.......

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LOL.......this was a thread started by me in 2005 as a fairly new ASM in a newly minted troop. A lot of water has gone under the bridge since then. My son earned Eagle in Dec 2010 and aged out in Feb 2011 and is a sophomore in college now. I was nominated and he was elected to OA and we both became very involved. In fact, I spent the last 3 years as a Chapter Adviser and began this year as an Associate Lodge Adviser. My son and I received Vigil honor together. He served in chapter and lodge offices and was on the chapter ceremony team until he left for college. Today, I could easily answ

Rest in peace OGE. I trust you'll have fresh camp coffee waiting for us when we reach the end of the trail.

I can't speak to the slow resolution of the issues we are having as I am not privy to what is being done and by whom. What I can tell you is that the product the forums was moved to is vBulletin which is a standard in the bulletin board world. I am a member of other boards that use this software and they work flawlessly. I don't think it is the software at all, but the implementation.

He is pretty spot on in that column.

If a mere 2% cut to increased spending can bring the government to its knees, then we are in great trouble! All Americans took a 2% hit at the beginning of the year with the expiration of the payroll tax cut. If we can do it, surely the government can survive. Obama did his best with the old "Firemen First" scare mongering, but almost every claim he and his administration have made in recent weeks has been debunked. Look, out here in the business world, we are used to management giving us 15% budget decreases for the coming year.......multiple years in a row. The idea that 2% is going to