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  1. acco40 I know what you mean by trashy Scouts. Here in my area I have seen some very trashy Scouts. It seems that alot of Troops are not impacting stweardship of the environment much. We constantly are finding trash at camporees and at summer camp last week the place was trashed with stuff from the trading post. The Troop sharing our campsite wasn't very good at cleaning the place up. They left the night prior and didn't do a trash walk down. When I was a Scout MR. Woods our SM would rip you a new one if you droped trash or even left trash in camp and didn't pick it up. I'm start
  2. Thanks lasteagle. This is sad indeed that this happened. I hope the Scouts and leaders are all doing well. Hopefully the investigation will be posted as well so we can use it as a learing opportunity. The story is ambiguous where they on a trail or climbing. If climbing why wasn't this lad belayed? If they were free climbing, from recent BSA climb on safely training this is not allowed. It will be interesting to read the results of the investigation. this would give this boys family some comfort. Sad indeed.
  3. Anyone have any details on the report in my sunday paper of a Scout falling apporx 2000 ft to his death in Utah? The story in my paper was just a few lines and no details of what happened. Would like to know what went wrong so as not to have it happen on one of our outings. My prayers go out to the Scouts parents, family and Troop.
  4. Tenderfoot scout at last weeks summer camp telling one of the ASM's that he found a Brown Rectum spider in his tent.
  5. I'll start off with don't take this the wrong way, but with all the women volunteers and professional staff around in Boy Scouts. Why does not BSA just change from Boy Scouts to just plain Scouts and allow girls 11-17 as well join. I volunteer in my daughters GS Troop as well. She many times asks if she could come along on the BS Troop outings as the girls in her Troop are, these are her words now "to sissyfied". She has 4 that insist on having makeover parties during camp and don't like to camp in tents, go hiking, canoeing etc. I've told my daughter to join a venturing crew but she want
  6. Update!! Since I was at council yesterday afterwork turning in final SC paperwork. I decided to resubmit the tour permit and our float plan for the canoe trip I had mentioned in my orginal post. Guess what? The permit was approved this time around with no questions asked! It was the exact same wording we used last month nothing had been changed from the orginal that was denied as "high adventure activity". After I had the approval in hand I asked why it was denied last month. I didn't really understand the answer it sounded like gobble-d-goop to me. Oh well the permit was approved and t
  7. I want to clear a point on my post. When I said "what do I do not file tour permits?" I was being facetious. I will continue to turn in tour permits for outings. I would be setting a poor example for the boys if, because I didn't agree with a rule, that I simply break it for our benifit. Are we not to teach them as part of citizenship that if they disagree with a rule, policy or law that they obey it until they work to change in it? Our tour permit will be turned into this afternoon I should know something soon. But please do not misunderstand that I condone putting myself or any other a
  8. The Troop I serve makes a budget for outings including gas and any Troop gear needed if we do not already have it or can obtain it on loan from a benovolent benifactor in town. Personal gear is just that personal gear. The Troop just can't afford to outfit every member with gear. We do fund Troop T shirts after a fundraiser and the PLC has decided what that fundrasier is to be used for. On outings everyone pays what the cost would be for the group the more that participate the lower the individual cost including gas for those driving. Now as far as the extra's go I have personally do
  9. Thanks to everyone that posted a reply. I learned alot. I now have some ammunition to use if needed I will be taking the canoeing merit badge book and my copy of G2SS with me when I resubmit the tour permit and float plan for the canoe trip that we planned for May. We're going to resubmit it for July's activity (nice hot weather activity huh)? If it comes back unapproved I'll post again but it I will not stand for "high adventure activity" as a reason for denial. Thanks again
  10. Ahhh now I remember Eagle, thanks for reminding me. That's what my council as a youth when I was a Life scout merged into. I can see the summer camp restrictions and perhaps a "special program" restriction but when the Troop tries to do some of these things the boys were sold on itself and gets shot down for something that's not in G2SS then I get a little miffed especially when I have to constantly tell the boys "no council says we can't do that till your 14." Come to think of it no wonder they don't come up with any ideas anymore we constantly. With my next tour permit I'm going to take
  11. Further follow up (ff/u) This is what I found on national's web site http://www.scouting.org/nav/enter.jsp?c=xds&terms=high+adventure titled Scouting's Adventures for Older Boy Scouts Older Scouts (those who are at least 13 years old or have completed the seventh grade) seek challenge and variety. How does Scouting capture their interest? Through diverse high-adventure and outdoor opportunities. Scouting not only provides adventure but also emphasizes values through ideals that reinforce God, country, and personal growth. I double checked my hard copy of G2SS and the web link I can't find
  12. Bob, f/u=follow up. Not what you thought. We use it frequently in my professional life as a nurse. I certainly would not use the conotation you took and I'm sorry you took it that way I do not use that type of language. I hold my self to the same standards as the Scouts I serve and that language is certainly not helpful, friendly, curteous, nor kind. As to the MB's, yes the books have no age restrictions I know but the age restrictions are posted in our councils summer camp merit badge requirements list that is in the summer camp leaders packet. Also, council on numberous occasions has instr
  13. F/U Bob our Council denied our tour permits due to age restrictions for two canoeing trips. One on a tibutary of the KY river that you can stand up in and is mid thigh deep very slow moving water, and another trip to an outfitter for class 1 rapids. Council also would not allow the boys to register for the councils ski/snow tubing trip this winter due to the age restrictions. Summer camp program has the age restrictions on the MB's I mentioned. Training we have trained leaders myself Boy Scout leader essentials, woodbadge, YPT, Safe Swim Defense and Safety Afloat, CPR certified for heatlh c
  14. I throw this out to ponder for the group. The troop recently lost 3 boys and held a school roundup at the area elementary for the 5th graders before they get to Middle school. Out of 50 boys that attended the presentation no one showed up that evening with or without parents to sign up for boy scouts. The 3 boys that left the troop told me they were leaving cause they never get to do the stuff the DE told them they could do when he came to school. White water rafting, shooting, rapelling etc. All high adventure stuff that they are not allowed to do due to their ages being under 14. T
  15. It's been awhile so I thought I'd update everyone on the "rigged" election and our bullying Eagle PL. I had a nice SM conference with the Joe on his bullying behavior after I elightened and provided highlighted the appropriate section of G2SS for each boy. I informed Joe during the SM conference tht I was a little concerned about his recent unscout like behaviors. I even provided examples of which scout laws and part of the oath he was defecient in. We discussed how living the scout oath and law were part of advancement and that since he was up for advancement to Second class we're n
  16. Hi all Being Chair of the district camporees I'm trying to come up with some new ideas for activities for the fall camporee in October (I believe in early planning for a great camporee). Anyway since it's an olympic year and the theme for October is athletics I thought nothing better than a Scout Olympics We traditonally do first aid, lashing, blind fold tent, orienteering course etc for camporees but I'd like something different for this one. So I'd like to pick your brains for some really neat ideas that the boys wouldn't normally get to do that often seeing how olympics are every 4
  17. Just thought I'd clarify an item or two. We are a small new troop started last March. We only have young boys 11-12 year olds. We started with 12 boys so after about 3 months had them elect to start patrols and chose patrol members (drew names from a hat their choice of method). As stated in my post we've had two move and two drop out for various reasons. Two had joined during the year and have decided that baseball is more of what they are into. We actually have a total of 9 but two were absent from the meeting. I really don't care that my son wasn't elected SPL as I told him he will
  18. Uncleguinea I'll relate a good reason for the date and day on the watch. Prior to moving to a management position I was an ER nurse. Working in a level 1 trauma center we took care of very seriously injured patients and many near death or dying ones. One night about 2:30 AM (as usual) we had a UFO (unidentified falling Ohioan seems they like to come to Red River Gorge famous for 60-100 foot drop offs from the trail)flown in with sever head trauma. Normal procedure is to assess some ones mental status by asking them simple questions and to see if they are oriented to person, place and ti
  19. Actually a Webelos that has earned the AOL they have done everything for the scout rank all they have to do bascially is turn in the application. The other requirements are the same for the AOL. With a good Webelos den that camps etc. the boys should be able to earn tenderfoot right away. We had two new Webelos come in and we just happend to be going camping in two weeks. They had Scout the first meeting and worked on the tenderfoot physical reguirements that night too! Went to camp out and next month had tenure for physical requirements and showed inprovement. But to come in and be a ten
  20. Thanks KS. I agree there's nothing we can do about this election but you can sure bet there will be an election booth at the next one. Joe's dad is one of our ASM's and he and I discussed his behavior after our last campout. He agreed with holding him from BOR for second class due to his lack of scout spirit. He had already left after last nights meeting so I'll have to talk with him later regarding this episode. I'm considering a SM conference with Joe to inform him that his behavior is going to be watched closer.
  21. Need some opinions on how to handle this one. We had Troop elections last night. The problem involves the race for SPL. It was between two boys, my son and the current SPL. Let me start off my saying I was quite surprised when my son threw his hat in the ring and he made a very convencing presentation on why he thought he would be a good SPL ("I'm a second class (all we have are tenderfoots and scouts)and am trustworthy, and will respect others and if there are any arguments I will listen to both sides and help you come to an agreement.") Pretty good for a 12 year old thus far and I didn't
  22. We had a smilar incident with our fall camporee. We were told by our DE that if we set camporee fees higher then the profits from camporee could be used to purchase training materials for our defunked district training program. When it came time to purchase the manuals etc. there was no money and line item for the district stuff at all. Thus we have decided to do camporee's as cheap as possiable since a Scout is Thrifty. I personally have lots of boys that can't make camporee at $15-20 per Scout. I'd say since your COPE course makes a profit call for an audit to find out where the mon
  23. Don't think I'd be using that dive service again nor those dive buddies. Gee wiz how can you forget a diver that entered the water with you? Be interesting to hear how this turns out. Good example of the buddy system to use for the boys though.
  24. I'm looking for ideas to get the boys to take a more active role in the Troop. The Troop is now a year old (all were 11 when started) and we have been guiding them to boy lead. They have had PLC and leaders and JLT however, at the PLC they sit and look at each other. The only discusions that occur happen when I (SM) bring something up. How do you get a group on young Scouts to run it themselves?
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