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The individual is updated on Scoutnet by the troop or COR rep in some manner. I am already listed as a SM; why should I have to fill out another app if I am also registered as a commissioner, or something else. They already have the info on me; all they should need is the D to verify.

Again, we tend to make it more difficult than it needs to be. If they "must" have another app, then make it one that is simply an "add position" type, so they can effectively approve it, but not do the in depth for the initial one. Again; it would need to pick up on the ID number as part of it.

For me, the real issue is the "extra" application. It "should be" an easy task to simply "add" an additional title or job to the "established" file. Then, the training verification would immediately be attached. JMHO

Yes, thank you for clarification. Just too bad that a few just have to mess things up for the many. Glad there is not worry on the forums.

Norton is red tagging the site for 3 malicious items they say may or do exist. You can check directly if you have Norton I guess. According to the description, they are redirect programs that end up looking like you are going to ASK.com, but are really opening the computer up to serious problems.

Please review this ASAP. Meanwhile, maybe I will not read or post for a bit.

Advertising in medical journals and doctor, hospital related periodicals should be allowed; but why to the general public. Not sure why, but certainly it is at least a factor in the increased cost of the drugs. For years it was not allowed, and then someone decided it would be a good idea. To me, it is a legitimate concern that the general populace is being at least somewhat dis-served by putting "ideas" into their heads that they need certain drugs. And the people with real problems, often called hypochondriacs, definitely do not need these added misunderstood symptoms being pushed on them.

Another negative issue, from my perspective, is the "type" of drugs that are most common in TV ads, as well as why some are allowed to be shown in prime time. This has been touched on in other threads I believe.

If not advertising to the general public could save even a small percentage of cost for drugs, it would be worthwhile.

As far as kids, and possible over diagnosing certain syndromes, it is likely a reality to some extent. I see it in the schools, and a few times in the scouts. Much of it could be solved by finding better ways to run our educational system, and reemphasizing "real play" and the arts, rather than taking them away. They all add to the quality of education, and likely draw on other parts of the mind, as well as allowing physical release from pent up stress.

JMHO

My dad always put a plate with a piece of raw bacon on it a few yards away from us; and they seemed to stay over there.

My interest was simply peeked by the stats on which religions were most heavily represented. Granted, in our country, Christianity is the number one; but the other religious groups are fully represented, it appears, world wide.

Really does not matter. Most units are pretty flexible in this regard, even though a few would say otherwise. We generally only hear from a very small percentage of people in regard to these subjects. And far too often, the ones from whom we hear are skewed in one direction or another and tend to display obvious inflexibility and bias; and they also seem to be overly zealous in their approach.

JMO of course.

His Scouter's pages; Historical perspectives; Scouting

http://www.rhodyman.net/home.html

Okay, I think I found the proper link. The original one came through Stevenson's page, "Collectors' References" link on the left. It is called Hennings Home Page. Give it a try; a lot of interesting stuff.

http://www.thestevensons.com/

As of 9/31/05 there were more than 28 million Scouts, young people and adults, male and female, in 216 countries and territories.

There are 155 countries with internationally recognized national Scout Organizations.

There are 26 territories where Scouting exists as overseas branches of member Scout Organizations.

There are 35 countries where Scouting exists but where there is no National Scout Organization which is yet a member of WOSM.

There are 6 countries where Scouting does not exist. (Andorra, People's Republic of China, Cuba, Democratic People's Republic of Korea, Lao People's Democratic Republic and Myanmar)

The top 10 countries in number of Scouts are:

Indonesia 8,909,435 88% Muslim

United States 6,239,435 78% Christian

India 2,138,015 81% Hindu

Philippines 1,956,131 92% Christian

Thailand 1,305,027 95% Buddhist

Bangladesh 908,435 83% Muslim

Pakistan 526,403 97% Muslim

United Kingdom 498,888 72% Christian

Republic of Korea 252,157 26% Christian/26% Buddhist

Japan 220,223 84% Shinto/Buddhist

From this chart it can be easily seen that Scouting is a movement for all major religions. Worldwide the world is 33% Christian, 20% Muslim, 13% Hindu, and 6% Buddhist. In these 10 countries, Scouting is 40% Muslim, 29% Christian, 8% Hindu, and 6% Buddhist. So, it appears that Scouting reflects rather well the major religions of the world.

It would not surprise me to find out that your HR department person simply stated an opinion. Not likely that is written in any of their rules and so on. Could be wrong; but seems really an odd idea.

I know in 25 years in management, we were never told to ignore such things. That applies to scholarship interviews as well; Eagle Scout was a positive factor in the review process.

I believe Clinton and Obama were only Cubs, and perhaps also G.W.; but they still participated. Of course, that has little to do with their adult lives, if they did not follow through more than a very short time, the value to them is diluted to some extent. JMHO

Our Methodist CO's minister spoke today about "pick and choose" faithful. What she said, while referring to Christians specifically, could likely be related to individuals in most religious groups. Her sermon started with a quote; "I would like $3 worth of God, please". You can imagine the following context; basically pointing out that "true faith" does not choose just what is easy and comfortable.

The other thing she said, which I found unusual, was; "the scriptures do not chastise 'intellectual atheists'; but they do take part time believers to task" (or something close to these words).

Another point of cogitation.

How come I am not having any luck blocking people? I followed the instructions, but they are still showing up.

Ed; If you are asking about the flag info and church, I showed the U.S. Flag Code reference in the post. The other was from a general discussion on a Googled site.

Paragraph below referring to Military use, Navy. Flag code.

175. Position and manner of display

c) No other flag or pennant should be placed above or, if on the same level, to the right of the flag of the United States of America, except during church services conducted by naval chaplains at sea, when the church pennant may be flown above the flag during church services for the personnel of the Navy.

Another reference:

A conference of "mainstream" Protestant denominations some decades ago concluded that the Christian Flag, if displayed, should take precedence in a church over the national flag. Actual practice varies between individual parishes/congregations. The Catholic church my wife and children belong to has the US and Holy See flags in the seating area of the church, with the Holy See flag on the right (US flag code says under that arrangement, the US flag should be on the right). The Presbyterian church to which I belong has the US and Christian flags right at the base of the raised area on which the minister conducts the service. Again, the Christian Flag is on the right, the reverse of the US flag code arrangement. But the nearby colonial-era Episcopal church has the US and Episcopal flags hanging on the wall above the pulpit, with the US flag to its own right, as the Flag Code calls for.

Joe McMillan, 15 April 2003

In my own Methodist church; there is a similar placement of the Christian flag in a superior position.

Surely the flag code can be interpreted to include the Christian flag to have similar meaning as a pennant on the ship.

When a "church flag" is displayed, it takes the position of precedence, since it stands for God. Most of the time, the church flag, if it is there, is on a higher level than the American flag, so it is not an issue.

Moderators: Please pull the plug, permanently!!!!!

The solution G.E. is really obvious; but for some reason, no one wants to make it.

Yes Sherm, you could join the team; you just would not be allowed to swim. Help with timing, shallow water exercises, and so on. Nothing says someone cannot do things out of the water, or in shallow water, as a member of the team.

While we have a few here that simply will not accept anything as possible, I find this whole thing to be the proverbial "smoke and mirrors", whether referring to the LDS, or the related subject. Parents "in" the program have "chosen" to be here; and it only makes sense that most of them chose with at least "some" agreement that this was acceptable to them. The people, for the most part, that continue to harp about the Gay issue are outside the the organization; though there are a few apparently here that are not happy, and have an agenda. That is a separate discussion of course.

As far as the LDS elephant, I had a number of interesting conversations with LDS leaders at the Jamboree, many wearing gold tabs. I found it interesting that they are aware that they need to be "more involved" at district levels, and also are working on keeping dedicated leaders in place whenever possible. This is big change to many, as the discussion has noted; but it is interesting to me that they seem to be taking note, and working towards more effective ways to keep their program viable.

In our own area, we have numerous very dedicated scouters who are LDS, and a number of their units have longer term leaders than was normal ten years or more back. They are intricately involved in most district and council activities, and are accepting and flexible in regard to the needs and wishes of non LDS units at camp and at camporee.

Maybe it is time for some to quit dwelling on the past, and start looking at the present. And those who are so disenchanted perhaps "do" need to consider their real motives in being involved, "if they truly are". This is a youth organization that is "supposed" to focus on them. It is "not" a political tool for people that want to modify society to fit their idea of how things should be.

An interesting dissertation relating to this can be viewed here:

http://www.allacademic.com//meta/p_mla_apa_research_citation/1/0/7/2/8/pages107284/p107284-1.php

While it is just one more take on this, it seems to bring up some valid points; or at least seems to do so to me.

Young flatulators have more stamina I fear.

http://scout.org/en/information_events/news

Lots of interesting stuff going on outside our little world.

Scouting on Tiananmen Square

We, Scout Association of Hong Kong are lucky to have the blessing of the Chinese Central Government Liaison Office in Hong Kong, and have their utter trust and confidence in conducting scouting activities in China in scout uniform. These functions are under the invitation and with full support from the Chinese Government and the All China Youth Federation (another name for Communist Youth League in external affairs).

We were provided with special pass, train and transport arrangement. It speaks so much of the close cooperation of the two youth bodies. Every year we have hundred of scouts visiting China, by coach, by train and by plane, all in scout uniform.

This Summer, a special train of 10 cars of scouts and youths (600 strong) departed Shenzhen on 18 July (a border city north of Hong Kong) and travel through China from South to North, all the way crossed the Yangtze and Inner Mongolia before converging with another group of 150 scouts who arrived Peking by plane on 25 July and rendez vous in Tiananmen Square before the latter will travel by train through Central China to Chengdu to do service to the earthquake areas of the Sichuan Province in Western China."

News received from Mr Alexander Wong, International Commissioner, The Scout Association of Hong Kong

Annual summer exchange programmes involved the youths of Hong Kong, Macau, Taiwan and the Mainland China(PRC).

Beavah;

You seem to have forgotten the new doctrine:

The majority no longer means anything if it is deemed

"politically incorrect".