Sentinel947

Honoring survivors with an outstanding service award is perverse. They are worthy of honor for their courage and bravery, but they didn't volunteer to be abused, and were basically forced to come forward by the BSA going bankrupt. Honoring the folks who helped push the BSA through bankruptcy in the same press relief is utterly tone deaf. I'd expect nothing else from National. Who's giving them PR advice? Survivors should ask the BSA for a Silver Buffalo Medal. 🙄

One of my Scouts was the stereotypical ADHD child. We had to plead with his parents not to take him off his meds when we went to summer camp. A few years later, when one of our ASM's told me he was selected by the NYLT staff from his participant course as Honor Scout, I thought I was getting my chain pulled. He grew up into a very fine and thoughtful young man, and part of that was he was frequently challenged in Scouting and sports to step up and take responsibility, or "step up" as you put it. There's definitely a line of bad behavior from a Scout that might preclude them from opportun

All's fair in love and war.

There's an element of people doing what they've always done. It's comfortable.

Context matters. Selling the camp in order to keep financing a bloated council bureaucracy? Yes. Selling the camp because of the council's financial obligations for abuse victims? No. They have an obligation to the folks they owe money to get as much money as possible. Bad actions have consequences.

I'm not familiar with Wood Badge staff structure, but on the NYLT side we have Troop Guides who are typically first year staff, and the other Troop positions (QM, ASPL, SPL) are called senior staff. A normal Troop might do that too.. "Older" Scouts vs "Younger or "New" Scouts" What makes you say it's a cultish thing?

Because in plenty of Councils' the OA is on life support and tons of very talented youth leaders are not actively involved with it, even if they've gone through their ordeals. As @skeptic pointed out, my local OA chapter does some service, mostly for council camps, and does social events. It's not necessarily producing any better or worse youth leaders than NYLT, Summer camp staff or a strong unit might be. A different grouping of youth, that samples across the various programs and aspects of Scouting, would be ideal. That being said, there is a almost zero chance that in most councils

The internet is a funny thing, I interpreted the article as a complete joke. The author was trying to be serious, buts a such a wild stretch of an argument.

Pretty much. Troops might have a significant amount of money in their accounts, but that's normally accounts payables type money... Ie: collected fees for Summer camp before cutting the check to the camp. It's not idle, available cash. My Troop has about 1k in cash that we keep for supporting families with financial needs. Other than that, the Troops "assets" are trailers and used camping gear.

I think the concept of the group is great. Where I'm skeptical is the number of survivors from the Coalition. Who are they and how will they be picked? How long will their terms be? How long is a seat on this group? Says open to all survivors.. so how does our guy @ThenNow get on it?

He can come back whenever he wants. The moderators shouldn't have to beg somebody to participate after they were post limited for abusing other members. So no, you don't speak for everyone.

Yes for packs chartered by a school, probably not that we're not charters but allowed access for recruiting.

Mea maxima culpa.

I can't read! Edited.

Lucky they didn't ban you. Amazing for an organization with ideals like Scouting, that so many corners of the org are ran so unethically and secretively. Not just the child abuse, but regarding finances and local politics as well.

CynicalScouter needed a timeout. His behavior was abusive, even if I agree with his points more often than not. The moderators have a thankless job, so thankless I stopped doing that job years ago, because it was killing my enjoyment of the site. If they chose they could have restricted all discussion of the bankruptcy at the beginning and practically one of the only places for BSA CSA survivors to get information would have never have happened. This is basically the only place to discuss this topic on the internet, but there are still rules and standards of conduct and if folks do

@ThenNow perhaps I'm dense, I'd read it like a potential comp if I was on the plaintiff side. Maybe it's because my job involves writing policies and making sure there isn't a way to misinterpret them, that I instinctively look for "How can this be misunderstood?"

The current offer is low. The councils haven't chipped as much as what they probably can, Hartford got a sweet deal. National likely has more assets it can part with. The victims should vote down the plan on that basis. The MSU settlement has little bearing on the BSA settlements. They are two distinctly different cases, with different facts, assets and ability to pay. The BSA is shrinking, and the longer the bankruptcy goes on, the more bad press is out, it's assets will likely continue to dwindle, leaving less for the victims to recover. MSU is a thriving and growing publicly fun

I get it. Just understand that the typical claimant is not as informed as you. They'll see that 1 million per and think that's what they can get. It's setting them up to be disappointed.

As @CynicalScouterhas pointed out, there's no way each of the 87k are getting 1 million each. The BSA doesn't have the assets and ability to pay that MSU has. In my opinion, the victims should reject this plan, I would if I was a victim. The BSA and partners can be made to cough up more than the current plan but to expect anything close to the MSU settlement is wishful thinking, even if the BSA and the councils liquidate entirely.

Yes. I am. I have commitments I've made to people locally for various things, but my natural instinct is to say "Screw this, I'm done with the BSA."

That's his MO. He doesn't fully read other people's comments, and jumps to the absolute worst interpretation of what other people write. It truly is bullying behavior, and he does it to darn near everybody on this forum. It's a shame, because otherwise CynicalScouter makes great contributions to this forum, particularly around the bankruptcy. Further support for your position that the BSA does not take YPT seriously. They LAID OFF the director of YPT, during a bankruptcy caused by inability to protect Youth, and then never backfilled the job. That's absolute negligence. It would b

If you read earlier in this thread, from when it was originally made, there was some discussion about the voting feature, back when it was new. It's a fairly stock version of forum software, and the moderators cannot turn it off without contacting the developer. I'm not sure if that's a worthwhile spend of money, since this forum is already paid for by @SCOUTER-Terry's generosity. A certain number of upvotes triggers a label on a persons post. We tested down to 12 downvotes, and it had no effect on the post in question. Your thought process was the general consensus at the time. Downvote

I do love his sense of humor. Any idea what they actually asked him to produce?

What folks are telling you, is they are violating BSA rules. Further, Mic O Say is not like ROTC. It's a BSA affiliated organization unique to Camp Bartle. The council that runs that camp could do away with it whenever they please. Or BSA national could force them to. While a scattered claim with no evidence should be viewed skeptically, this is not the first time on this forum or elsewhere where people have talked about the violations or odd practices of Mic O Say.