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  1. On 3/9/2020 at 12:21 PM, The Latin Scot said:

    I'll admit I am ... not a fan. I love larger neckerchiefs, don't get me wrong (and being a slightly-built fellow, most neckers are large on me), but this trend towards the 'friendship knot' is honestly rather silly-looking if you ask me (not that anybody has, but I'm answering anyway).

    Part of the reason we use slides or slipknots is so that, in an emergency, the neckerchief can be whipped right off and used as needed. It's the very practicality of the neckerchief as an emergency tool and garment that makes it so important and and demonstrative of utilitarian Scouting values. Taking the time to undo a fancy knot like that seems like the very antithesis of that intent - a Scout should be able to snap off his neckerchief to use as a first aid or emergency item in half a second, and that kind of knot would take forever to undo (especially if wet). Slides are also long-used, venerated tokens of Scouting, and I cannot imagine them disappearing any time soon. I love my little collection of slides, gathered from every era of Scouting, each with a story to tell. Furthermore, from a purely aesthetic, sartorially subjective point of view, it's simply a less attractive way to wear the necker, so I'm simply going to respectfully ignore it and hope that it's merely a passing fad. I myself shall continue to encourage the wearing of the neckerchief as outlined in the current Guide to Awards and Insignia.

    Of course, I've only been at this for a few years as a leader - mayhaps some of the more experienced Scouters here would opine differently. But I am not pleased with this recent fad myself.

    I love neckerchiefs, too. And I am so happy that National is making them larger, though I have a large supply of the vintage full-squares to wear with troop tee-shirts. I really do not care for the friendship knot. Nothing looks better than a scout wearing the neckerchief over the collar. I will say this. The neckerchief seems to be making a.big come-back among younger scouts. Every troop in our area wears neckerchiefs. The scouts wear them readily, smartly and proudly. It is rare to see a scout pulling off his neckerchief and shoving it into his pocket the second that the closing ceremony is over.

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  2. On 2/29/2004 at 7:24 PM, Bob White said:

    We use a stock neckerchief that is given the scouts when they reach First Class. It is worn for COHs and special events. The scouts choose to wear it under an open collar. Other times the scouts can wear any neckerchief of their choice, or none. They may wear any slide they wish with any neckerchief.


    That’s a super idea. When I was a scout, we wore a variety of neckerchiefs - camp,event, award, national issue troop color, vintage full-squares of various colors to troop meetings I. My buddy, who took me to my first troop meeting wore a huge, white, rayon, TMR full-square that I wanted to wear so badly.

  3. On 3/4/2004 at 8:58 PM, Fat Old Guy said:

    Being a card carrying member of the Uniform Police, I am required to point out that making a neckerchief other than the official size is a big no-no. That said, I am a scofflaw and wear one that is huge.

    I wear the old national-issue full-squares . The ones from the 1930’s are soft as silk, cool, and so comfortable round the neck. Needless to say, they can only be worn over a tucked-in collar.

  4. On 2/29/2004 at 7:10 PM, eagle90 said:

    Our troop does have a custom neckerchief. We had a contest among our scouts, parents, and siblings to design the Logo. The neckerchief is black with orange piping. The Logo is a campfire in red, yellow, orange and brown, with "90" in the flames of the campfire.


    We insist on neckerchief wear at COH's and other formal activities, and summer camp. They are not usually worn at regular meetings, except by me. I love neckerchiefs and have a collection of over 200 of them!



    Yes. I want to trade.

  5. I am a dyed-in-the-wool neckerchief nut. And I probably own more vintage neckerchiefs than anyone. So, here goes.  The standard issue neckerchiefs up until the end of the 1930's were 30 x 30 inches.  In the 1940's the size was reduced to 29.5 x 29 inches. The triangular - or half - neckerchief came into use in the late 1940's and by the 1950's had completely supplanted the full-squares. I love the really old full-squares. They fit today's larger scouts and scouters, and they can be used for so many purposes. The biggest international scarves that I have encountered are the Indonesian haduks.  They are huge triangles and look really neat.

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  6. Latin Scot, I love neckerchiefs, too.  And I collect them.  Over the years I have acquired a treasure trove of the old full-squares, especially the ones from the 1930's that are 30"x30".  Scouts love it when I do a presentation on Scouting's history, using neckerchiefs from different eras, jamborees, camps and events to illustrate it.

  7. I couldn't agree with you more, Snow Owl. Leaders should always wear their neckerchiefs. The neckerchief is indeed the universal symbol of Scouting. The girls will call us back to that important truth.

  8. Now with girls joining,  the debate about neckerchiefs is over. Girls love colorful kerchiefs and scarves. They will never allow BSA to ditch neckerchiefs.

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  9. Hi Latin Scot,

    Greetings to another Knight of the Neckerchief; it's good to know that there are still some of us here in the States that have not abandoned this revered symbol of scouting all over the world.


    I, too, love the old full-square neckerchiefs.  The first one I ever got to own was the orange and white regulation issue that was the proper color for our troop.  It started me collecting, so that I now have lots and lots of these old beauties.  I especially like the ones issued in the 1930's as the cotton pongee material they used then is very light, soft and absorbent as well as strong.


    Hopefully the neckerchief will make a comeback now that the current ones are a decent size, even if triangular.


    "The neckerchief is first and last a necessity." Was it James Beard that said that?  Baden-Powell declared that "a scouts honor is bound up in his scarf."



  10. August 1st is World Scout Scarf Day. What a great opportunity to wear our neckerchief with our everyday clothes in solidarity with scouts around the world. I love neckerchiefs, especially the old full-squares. I have collected dozens of them in all colors - and conditions.

  11. Yesterday was World Scout Neckerchief Day. Thousands of Scouts and former Scouts from all over the globe wore their neckerchiefs all day - to work, to school, to shops. From all around the world, except from the USA. American Scouts have rejected, discarded, reviled the scarf that is the universal symbol of the Scouting movement. What a shame! What a betrayal!

  12. There is one part of the uniform that identifies Scouts - boys and girls, men and women - immediately and clearly everywhere in the world, and that is the neckerchief. It is THE symbol of Scouting world-wide, so much so that Scouts all over the globe are once again observing World Scout Scarf Day on August 1st. Scouts and former scouts from every country are proudly wearing their neckerchiefs all day. What a shame that American Scouts are increasingly out of step as they abandon the neckerchief.

  13. Mike,

    I believe that your estimate is correct. I would say that the neckerchiefs you describe date from about 1926 to about 1932. They are real beauties. I have a ton of the old full-squares, most from the 1930's. If you ever want some more send me a private message,letr me know as I am getting older and looking for good homes for them.


  14. You are so right, resqman. A necker IS scouting. Develop the habit with the cubs and it will carry through their scouting career. New cubs are most often thrilled to be invested with the neckerchief, and they want to wear it. We should help them understand that the neckerchief is the universal symbol of Scouting, and that brothers and sisters all over the world wear their neckers proudly. They trade and exchange neckerchiefs with other Scouts. The neckerchief should never have been made optional.

  15. The one part of the uniform that is immediately recognizable to people around the world as "Scout" is the neckerchief. Scouts in other countries wear their neckerchiefs proudly as the one uniform part that they would never forego. There was a time when boys in the USA couldn't wait to wear the Cub Scout uniform in its entirely. And many of them would not part with their neckerchiefs, even when it was time to take off the rest of the uniform.

  16. And in Europe, as around the world, every Scout without exception wears his or her neckerchief and wears it proudly. Why have we in the USA all but abandoned this universal mark of the Souting Movement? Scouts come back from World Jamborees and other gatherings with several neckerchiefs they have received from new friends. And at Jambos it is unusual to see Scouts wearing only one neckerchief. They trade and sign and exchange multiple neckers with other Scouts.

  17. I neckerchiefs, too, Cimarron and I always wear mine proudly. Like you, Mike, I have a huge collection of the old full-square neckerchiefs that I wear over the collar. They are big, and comfortable, and they look fantastic.

    I an glad that there is a groundswell of support for neckerchiefs. They are indeed the traditional and universal symbol of Scouting.

  18. Scout Mom,

    The original neckerchiefs were all full-square. The dimensions changed slightly through the iterations. The first neckerchiefs had a contrasting border (not arrow shaped) and the first class emblem at the corners. Later neckerchiefs had the arrow-shaped borders with the National Headquarters Logo in the corners. In the 1930's the classic one-color or contrasting bordered neckerchiefs with the tenderfoot emblem and BSA in corners were in place. They were made from a resilient but soft cotton pongee. By the 1940's a coarser cotton material was used and half or triangular neckerchiefs began to make their appearance. These became standard by the 1950's as the old full-squares became history. The only later change was the introduction of the embroidered polyester neckerchief in the early 1970's, later replaced with a pomyester cotton blend. And over the course of time the dimensions became smaller.

    I have a large collection of old full-squares from the 1930's and 1940' that I would be willing to share with anyone who will treat them with the respect they deserve and promise (Scouts Honor) to preserve them.


  19. Cimarron,

    Right on. I love neckerchiefs,too - always have. The neckerchief is the universally recognized symbol of scouting. European scouts would never be without their neckers - the same for scouts around the world. I have a ton of the old full-squares and ususally wear one of the older full-squares with my collar tucked under. The scouts in our troop love the old full-squares and get one when joining the troop - to keep when reaching first class.

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