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  1. 13 hours ago, SiouxRanger said:

    --At Philmont, crews were issued an American flag to be tied to a tent pole.  1968.  By the time I was an advisor, about 2005, no crew flag.


    2017 and 2021 we were issued a Crew flag, certainly wasn't a cotton 3'X5' flag by any means but our Crew Leader was issued one and told to take it on the trail with them both times.

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  2. When I was a Troop Guide for a patrol, one of the participants wanted a private ceremony. So we met at a steakhouse and with his wife and mom there, I did a small meaningful beading on the patio.

    Same patrol, another gentleman asked for his beads/cert/necker to be sent to his house.

    Did 3 others at either Troop meetings (2) or Roundtable (1)

    The last course I staffed, they seem to like the group beadings, so the Course Director sets up a day and anyone that was staff or a participant come to the local camp and those that are "finished" get beaded. This one usually includes a pot luck dinner and lasts a bit longer since everyone is there specifically for a beading ceremony.

    The big point is that it is your recognition and how you would like to recieve it is a very personal choice. Work with your Troop Guide or Course Director and find a solution.

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  3. I will be there. I will be our Lodge's adult contingent leader and as luck would have it my son will be the youth leader.  Tons of classes, trainings, fun events, and fellowship. I had a blast in '18 and look forward to going again!

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  4. My understanding for question #2-

    Withing 6 months of the bk case being approved Grand canyon council will list for sale our properties on the commercial market. We then have approximately 3 years to sell said property or it will then be basically signed over to the trust. I would assume you want as much as possible for each property since the final amount due is an actual dollar amount and not a property specification.


    IMO-Seems the settlement wants cash not properties but would take them once a good faith effort is made.

  5. Fellowship/Vigil last weekend in August, small group activities and rotations.  Masks and increased sanitation.

    Ordeal this weekend, same idea as above. We will be following the protocols set forth from national about ceremony modifications. Essentially no contact is the big picture...

  6. 4 hours ago, David CO said:

    This issue is about people who do not practice a Native American religion, but like to dress up and imitate the rituals.  Native Americans are right to feel that their traditional clothing is not a costume, and that their religious rituals are not a game.


    Couldn't let this one pass- Sorry David you are wrong about this one, period. We work very closely with our affiliated tribe and have their full blessing to wear what we wear and do what we do. Our Lodge has 2 OA advisors that are Native American that work closely with our youth and adults to make sure we do not cross boundaries. There is also a National committee that works with Tribes all across the country.

    After the last update from National about clothing we decided to revisit our choices for "ceremonies". I put that in quotes because it is nothing more than a play with actors, lines, scripts, and coordinated movements. We work very hard to make sure our youth do not use broken English and make our candidates experience respectful and meaningful. At no time are we imitating any ritual or religious practice.

    Our Native American advisers had no issue with what we were doing but it was not appropriate for our area/region (Plains attire in the Southwest.) One of our advisers made a trip to the Hopi reservation and had a conversation with a couple of Tribal Elders to get clarification. Where we ended up now is basic Pow Wow attire that would be acceptable for anyone to wear in public (ribbon shirts, dark pants, some basic jewelry and sash belts) I would say that we have a good working relationship with the tribe and have their full blessing because we are able to work with them to respect their culture. Does that happen elsewhere? I don't know and cant say.

    Nowhere do we imitate any "rituals." Native American religious ceremonies are absolutely forbidden and a no go according to National and our local policies. Name one Native American ritual that you have witnessed being performed by OA or Mic O Say?

    All dancing and drum teams have their own sets of rules and regulations. They basically point out that anything that is performed by a dance or drum team must be acceptable for Inter-tribal pow-wows. You are invited to attend (maybe wait until Covid is less of a thing) and I urge you to attend and participate. You will be welcomed to dance and participate at certain times when allowable.


  7. Why not just increase the patrol members to 8 per patrol?  The syllabus allows for 6-8 youth per patrol. With 8 patrols that would take you up to 64 participants. The minimum size of a Troop for NYLT is 4 patrols, but I think it is much better to have the interaction of 6-8 patrols than it is with 4-5 patrols.

    I do agree with having 10 TG's though, seems one or two always drop out at the last minute or aren't quite up to speed yet by course time.

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