prairie

This for a bullet? Maybe for a cartridge.

I will put on my fireproof neckerchief.

In the lightning case they should have picked an alternate route or gone down hill and endured the soaking.

To the scuba drowning, I saw no mention of a divemaster with the group, the bigger problem is keeping track of anyone in a murky lake and with beginer divers they will stir up mud/silt from the bottom. Frankly I'dd keep boys that youg restricted to pool diving. BTW a buoyancy control vest is not great safety equipment, it allows you to over weight, if you must surface drop your weight belt. It is also possible he became entangled in fishing line or net, this is a nightmare sceanaro. The diveing area should have been cleared of this sort of thing.

Rest in peace young men.

I understand the symbolisum when at a funeral, however at Scout camp it comes off as the Flag thats wounded.

Spin off of the drill thread:

I grew up watching flag teams tuck the flag kinda under thier left arm and supported by the left forearm.. Now all I see is the flag clutched to the chest with both arms, makes me think of someone carrying a hurt pet.

Wow, here I was annoyed with the couple of gators and golf cart that STAFF were using delivering food, transporting the camp medico or the one handicapped Scout. Why was I annoyed? The noise they made, a couple of electric carts would be both less expensive to opperate nor disturb the soundscape. This camp even has seprate bicycle trails. I never saw a cart opperated near the rules limits so I guess I'll hold my tonge and drink my coffee.

Related to Beavah's post, the water presure around the lungs pushes in and a novice swimmer won't be thinking about trying to alway keep their lungs as inflated as posable and the cold of the water is no help at all. I wonder how much easier it would be to start swimming in warm salt water. Iv

e even been tempted to menton to a sinker that swim trunks made from Scuba diving wet suit materal would be a real help.

A modified breathing cycle of holding air with short exhale and re-inhale will help.

Most of my life I have been a floater but the three years in the Army while not really a sinker I found it far harder to float in a comfortable way, sadly now I float so well I could take a nap.

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""run naked thru the house yelling woo woo ...

Yah, hmmm....

Between blubber butts and this comment I really think there should be a rule against threads that leave really bad images in da minds of the readers.

Beavah""

It's called Mental Floss.

""run naked thru the house yelling woo woo ...

Yah, hmmm....

Between blubber butts and this comment I really think there should be a rule against threads that leave really bad images in da minds of the readers.

Beavah""

It's called Mental Floss.

May I address an area I find not thrifty?

All the disposable stuff I see mentioned

I'm a big fan of the Lexan fork and spoon, not so much the knife.

I have bought them individully at a buck each and as long as you keep them away from hot frypans they will last untill somebody not paying attention throws them away.

The answer tho that is let each boy modify his set to suit himself!

Fork times to long, file them shorter, need a hole in the handle? Drill it!

Buy soup spoons to mod into personalized sporks, I use mine at home everyday.

A bid benifet to those of us older with hand issues, the handles are far more comfortable feeling than 98% of the tableware out there.

Look at it this way, less stuff thrown away and a craft activity making something they will use, I love win win.

Last I knew supply still sells blank patrol patchs.

I do like the idea of large patrol patch on the temp patch location, however if somebody had told me I must wear a patrol patch there when I was a kid I'dd a told them to jump, to this day that shirt has my summer camp patch and segments, this was in an era where dangle patchs were rare and looked down on.

Now a patrol neckerchief, that idea is a winner! The boys at summer camp want to change their patrol name, I think mostly because the boys that chose it are long gone. Being able to do a neckerchief might appeal to them.

Guess I'm UP enough to not like the idea of oversized patrol patchs.

Well this year I finally did give after not for 4/5, I think it was to get the special CSP, not sure what I will do next year though. Last year I did contrubute fifty bucks for gravel for the camp roads which buys a lot of rock as the quarry is close and the camp has a trailer to haul it, told the Ranger he done good.

Since I had a request for pics I will try and get one taken tomarrow, prototype and at least one other to compare it with, maybe with a nice backdrop of evergreens.

This has been some thread to slog though.

Some thoughts if I could have my way.

COED Cubbing, National might love it as it would pump the membership numbers up big time, why pay for a sitter for Suzy while you take Devon when haveing her join Cubs would be cheaper? My vote, which I don't have, go coed but take the start age back to 2nd grade, both parents and kids are burning out on "Scouting" before they ever take part in the real 11-18 program. A grandfather clause for established Packs so they can stay boy only if they want to, all new Packs will be coed and once any pack is coed it can not revert back.

The 10 year olds, Weblos for the boys but mabe this it the time to offer the parellel program for the girls? Not Sure.

The 11 year olds, For the boys I won't mess with the program other than push for men to take up more of the burden of makeing the program function including those without boys in scouts, this is from the male rolemodel argument, NOT that females can't be great Scouters, too much of the time I see the boy that fails at Scouting dosn't have a parrent involved and a mentoring Scouter could make the diffrence.

So some where in here there needs to be a program of advancement and adventure for girls to be ready for Venturing, for small Troops in population thin areas it might even have to function as a stand alone but affilated patrol to a BSA troop. Not ideal but if the only other programs in the area (if any) remind you of Future Homemakers of America which back in the 1970s my local GS troop did, would it be such a bad thing?

Wether the use of off the shelf BSA books, uniforms and program of tweek some of it to suit, this program needs a 1st Class rank to aspire to by compreating requirements compairable to the boys. Yes, this does open up the path to Eagle, it shoulod also remind all that there needs to be more OUTdoors in Scouting.

If certin orginizations can't stand the thought, maybe its time for them to develop their own youth program instead of warping the BSA to their wishs.

Well there it is, hare-brained and badly presented, tomarrow I will read this and see some part and wonder what I was thinking, but you are all safe as there is no chance anybody would ever let me be in charge of even the Golf tee times in Texas.

A thread that covers v-neck vs collars.

http://www.scouter.com/forums/viewThread.asp?threadID=265003&p=1

A thread that covers v-neck vs collars.

http://www.scouter.com/forums/viewThread.asp?threadID=265003&p=1

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oscar_de_la_Renta

The designer of the tan parlor uniform, Oscar de la Renta, apparently well liked by those who never got to wear what it replaced

You don't have to imagine, try it.

Please keep in mind, the collar is tucked under for NECKERCHIEF wear.

I frequently wear neckers as an adult and tucking under the collar makes it fit much better, I also used to see collars buttoned up to the top like for necktie wear and the necker worn over that, tried it once, never again but I've always had a large neck.

PS: I have a ODL that has had the offending collar removed and cloth tape sewn around the neck hole, a big improvement for a polly/cotton shirt.(This message has been edited by prairie)

With BadenP, who ever sewed those uniforms must have done it at cost and with little markup along the way.

The overseas/folding cap was great, till you needed protection from the sun, my last year I was given the beret which offered no real improvement in sun protection and you couldn't drape it over your belt.

The pants with red piping, wore them age eleven never thought to button them up, thought of them as "band pants" and the piping went with the folding cap! They were still in great shape when I out grew them but as I had just the one pair I was carefull.

Also had the shorts, always seemed the pockets didn't want to hold anything but a sheet or two of folded up paper.

Knee socks, strange I liked them as they didn't work well with my small feet and large calves.

But the Sanforized v-neck short sleeve shirt made up for all that, cool in summer, cut for freedom of movement, shirt tails stayed tucked in and sewn with short stitchs and small allowances. The heaver weight long sleeve handled the other 8/9 months of the year just as well.

I have collected over 20 of these shirts over the years, the quality did fall off some time in the mid to late 70s as I have a couple of short sleeves made almost exactly like the ODL cept in green and sans shoulder straps.

Almost every time I put on a tan scout shirt I wish I had a green one that fit me.

Another case of the victor writes the history books.

Reading about this sapped all the warm fuzzy feeling I had coming home from summer camp.

Anybody got a grass roots plan to carry on Bill's work? Or at least remind others of his legacy???

Well ScoutBox, drop the shoulder straps, remove the bathrobe belt, scale down the upper pockets and change the flap to one that suits lodge flaps and you are close to what I made. It's also looks a little longer through the body but thats okay.

Gonna be a tough sell at that price point.

My first scout shirts had that pleated pocket style, at least it won't look so bad on female Scouters and males carrying extra weight, like me.

Now I'm torn between that style and an UN-bellowed version of the CUstyle with buttons.

I do prefer the larger GI style buttons but too much stuff is out there sized to the smaller ones.

Looks like it has a generous size collar, wouldn't bother me as long as it could be tucked under comfortably.

I'm kinda meh on velcro for uniforms having worn Switchbacks and CUs for a while, buttons still work and are quiet.

I see wearing something like this as opening posibilites not causing restrictions in the field, shall we call it the Out Shirt?

desertrat77: No problem, just complying with the "no camo" rule, frankly I'dd rather have one in BSA green. ;-)

And I was moved to post this after reading the Fake Uniforms thread. Yes mine is a fake, but done for reasons other than avoiding buying one from a Scout Shop.(This message has been edited by prairie)

Thanks for the reply, would like to clarfy, I used plain tan/khaki, not a camo pattern blouse, found it at a outdoor sporting goods store that used to be a military surplus store.

I miss those big old tents, my camp seems to have gone to all camper supplied shelter.

My first year somehow we didn't rate platforms so did not get the full experance till the 2nd year. Did like the face that they didn't flap in the slightest breeze and damped the sound a little, no zippers to mess with and dirt was swept off the edge for cleanup. Bugs were only a problem my last year, waves of spiders.

Like we needed more options?

However a couple of years ago I did make/modify one just for fun.

Take one tan colored Army BDU style blouse, yes that is what they are called,

strip off the upper pockets and fabricate ODL style ones from them and resew,( I started this project before the anouncement of the CU).

Humm, shoulder straps, well I think they are a waste so won't

spend effort in adding them, could sew green squares on the shoulders instead.

The big job was removing the BDU style covered button system and sewing new buttonholes and tan buttons, didn't have a supply of the new style. Left the lower pockets alone for now as I have not seen anything that would look better.

And it hangs in my closet, while it has councl, lodge, flag, troop# it has neither "Boy Scouts of America" over the pocket nor a "Offical Scout" tag in the collar.

It has never left the house as I'm still sounding out others for some constructive critisium.

The project started when I kept thinking how early Scouts cut down surplus Army uniforms, though I will admit my project was no where near as "Thrifty" and I'm sure wearing it to a Council event might cause a little consternation.

The pluses:

comfortable

durable

covers your suspenders

no retucking your shirt

lower pockets much more usfull than "tech" pocket

negatives:

not neckerchief friendly as colar is much bulkier when tucked under

must wear something underneth

not Offical/Approved and only the most numb could fail to notice

took a fair amount of time and skill to create

would look goofy as a short sleeve?

must locate donor ODL shirt for strip over pocket

Almost any Scouting book published before 1970, some of those books are very information dense, you can't just skim through, you need to stop and think through what you read. I also love the fact that many of those old books were POCKET SIZED!

So far the snap has held up for me and at my size I have tested it, however most of the time I wear a belt, time to find that belt that came with the original switcbacks as that would be better than getting my leather belt wet. I fall between sizes, one pair fits like old style swimtrunks and the next size up is baggy, will upgrade to a button soon, have some salvaged from wore out army BDUs that should work well.