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Everything posted by ParkMan

  1. It's just a matter of time. Most of the girls who have been waiting to become Scouts are already in Girl Scouts. It's going to take a few years for girls to get comfortable with the notion that BSA scouting is a valid choice and that they ought to check it out. That will move more quickly if there are great troops to join, but it's going to take some time regardless. In the short term, I think you find the best "boy" troop you can and see if you can steer the interest to establish a girl troop there - whether linked or separate. Odds are that there is something about the "boy" troop's philosophy that will spill over to the "girl" troop. As the CC of a troop, we're kinda just waiting for some adults to come along and show interest in a linked girl troop. Since most of our volunteers are parents - there is not interest within that group to start a Girl Troop, but there is willingness to partner with people who are interested.
  2. Yes. Assuming time and family were not a factor. How would I do it? Something like.... Initial Goal I'd start by establishing my initial goal. It would look something like: - a great CO & place to meet - 12 scouts at least. My max goal would be 24 scouts. - SM & 2 ASMs - A Troop Committee of 3 people (Chair, Treasurer, & Activities) Stretch goal: Have a feeder pack How I'd reach goal #1. 1) I'd call my DE. I'd let him know that I'm doing this. I'd leverage his/her skills to help get this started. 2) Start looking for a Scoutmaster 3) I'd try to find the combination of a CO and a few interested scouts/adults. Perhaps a pack with girls. This will be a lot easier if I have a core group to start from. 4) If I cannot find a core group of scouts, I'd find a great CO. Probably one I already have a relationship with or is known as a good home to Scouting. 5) I'd market like crazy and spread the word about it. Make it well known that I'm starting this troop. 6) Set a date for an interest meeting - probably 4-6 weeks out. The goal of this meeting is to get my core 5 scouts and some adults to register. 7) Get the word out about the meeting. Emails & fliers would go to every Cub Scout pack & Boy Scout troop. 8) Hopefully by now I have a Scoutmaster, but if not I keep looking.... 9) Once I have the five scouts & 3 adults, I register the troop. 10) We get the program going. Establish a meeting night, come up with an annual calendar. Start Troop Committee meetings 11) Get adults trained. 12) Keep marketing & recruiting. Make sure everyone knows we're doing this. I'd keep this up until I got my initial goal's met - 12 scouts, core adults, and a CO. If possible, we have a feeder pack too. Stage 2: Build the core troop - Reach 30 scouts in 3 years. - Add ASMs as neccessary to fill core functions. - Build out the committee - Chair, Treasurer, Activities, Membership, Advancement, & Equipment - Recruit Merit Badge Counselors. - Have a feeder pack How I'd reach goal #2: 1) Program, program, program. Invest in having a great program. A great program sells itself. 2) Focus on girl led. Get the tone right from the beginning. 3) Adult training. Get those volunteer's trained. 4) Focus some more on program. 5) Marketing & membership. Make sure the troop is known in the Scouting community. This is the place for girls who want to be Scouts. 6) Make sure there is a feeder pack or two. When I get here, then we start thinking about what kind of troop we want longer term.
  3. I think this is ultimately the much bigger question. All our talk about structure of troops is for nothing if there are no girls to join. I do though think the Venture crew issue is different. We, as a larger Scouting community, just don't really have a clear value proposition for a Venture crew. So, as a results teens - be they boys or girls - are just not that interested in the amorphous Crew concept.
  4. Thanks a lot for taking this on guys! I can imagine it's a lot of work and time to keep tabs on this bunch
  5. I agree 100% with @Chris1. I've both taken Wood Badge and staffed it. I think taking it in August is a great time. On your position. I'd suggest two things: 1) talk with the course registrar and explain the IOLS status. They may just waive it. 2) If they don't waive IOLS, consider registering as a Commttee Member. The training for that is all online and you'll be done in a couple of hours. What you'll find is that they want you to write your ticket for your primary role. I'm sure some courses are more lax about this than others - but a Committee Member focused on membership will have a lot of similarities with your ASM of membership role.
  6. Hi Jenn, Our troop used to be a First Class first year troop. But, then the BSA made the requirements a bit tougher and it's stretched out to 18 months. We never pushed the boys- we simply had enough opportunities for boys to work on skills and camp that they just got it done. At an 18 month pace, they earn a rank ever 4-6 months which works out to about one per COH. As I mentioned before, I'm a big fan on handing out all recognition and POR patches immediately. The COH is the vehicle by which we recognize scouts. But, it should not be the gate by which Scouts feel a sense of accomplishment. In other words - when the scout earns something - get it to him then. When the next COH occurs make a big deal out of it.
  7. I'm wondering if the newer leadership is trying to take a more aggressive stance here. The new, very somber YPT. Increased rules in the G2SS. This new clause on following the G2SS outside of scouting. It's tough for me to tell if we're at a tipping point. My GSUSA friends tell me their rules and requirements are tougher. It doesn't seem to hurt them much.
  8. Welcome to the forum @tpolly!
  9. I'll admit - I had the wind taken out of my sails when I realized why the new rules. I'm still very optimistic that we can find a way to work with the new adult requirement. Just because adults are there doesn't mean that patrols can't work. Adults close by, but not part of the conersations - that kind of thing.
  10. I think we may need to figure out what supervision means. If I think about all kinds of common sense activites, scouts are not watched 100% of the time. But, now that I see this bit where they've added meetings to this - that too might be changing. I'm not sure if they are trying to fix the case of Scouts getting in over their heads on a camping trips or if it's an abuse prevention measure. I'm starting to think it's the latter. If that's what it is - then yes, they don't want us to leave scouts unattended. I hope it's not that.
  11. Per the other line of conversation. Adult leadership doesn't mean adult involvement. It just means you be got adults nearby to make sure there are no health and safety issues. It doesn't have to prevent a patrol from being a patrol or doing what they would normally.
  12. I think it's a great idea. Sets a good example of responsible environmental stewardship and helps strengthen ties to local universities. My only reservation would be if the partnership began to cause undue impact on the staff or programs of the camp. In the BSA we're always short on people & money - so as long as this doesn't become a sink hole for these two things - I think it's great.
  13. Welcome to the forum @Legion6. The current version of the form was published in 2016. Lions was just a pilot at the time. It does include all the other den leader roles that were available, I'd just infer that it was due to the newness of the Lion program. I'd fill out the form and add my own checkbox for "Lion Den Leader" and submit it.
  14. My recommendation - next time don't return the loops. Even in Cub Scouts we had a tackle box. That made it a lot easier to facilitate the last minute requests. In my mind, if a Cub Scout shows up at a pack meeting and says "look what I finished today", you try to find a way to award it.
  15. I think that's two deep adult leadership in my book. Adult leadership is present to make sure that the correct things happen if something goes wrong. The adults can verify that basic precautions were taken, the boys know where they are going. Then they can wait at the end of the trail. If the boys don't arrive at the expected location, then you can take the appropriate steps.
  16. That's what we do. We have plenty of each rank, merit badge, POR. A scout earns something or takes on a new POR - he gets it that night in front of the troop. The COH is for formally recognizing the boys, parent pins, and speeches.
  17. And they still can - 100%. This is exactly why we need leaders like @qwazse & @Oldscout448. Yes, the mechanisms we use in scouting change - sometimes a little, sometimes a lot. But, the basic task has not - developing youth through Scouting. Scouting needs the experiences leaders to help guide the new leaders and adults so that good choices are made. On this issue - patrol activities. One could read that and have adults take over. Or, a season Scouter could read that and say "ok, we have to make sure we've got two deep adult leadership. So, let's come up with a way to have patrols plan and execute their own activities, but have a couple of adults nearby as a safety measure."
  18. This is all coming from the line? Patrol Activities—A Scout patrol may participate in patrol activities. Two-deep adult leadership is required. If so, then I don't see how any of the things above are a problem. On a camping trip, the SM sits in his chair at camp while each patrol goes off on their own. That's not a patrol activity - it's a hike during a troop camping trip. I didn't see a line in G2SS that a patrol has to be supervised at all times. The G2SS just doesn't want patrols organizing their own activities without adults being present. Notice it says two deep leadership is required - not two deep supervision is required. If it really was 4 different patrol activities, I guess you just have to manage that. We have groups of scouts do things all the time. But, a couple of adults tag along. But this whole helicopter parent thing is different. The BSA certainly could do more to teach and explain how adults need to give the boys space. But, this one also lands on the shoulders of Scoutmasters & senior ASMs. They need to set the tone with the other adults.
  19. Seems like a good teachable moment for adults. Articles in Scouting Magazine and posts in Bryan on Scouting. Pretend to talk about the rule change, but really talk about giving the buys space to employ the patrol method
  20. The history on its creation is interesting. Leads me to think it's no longer needed. It could be replaced by a simpler statement that simply says we believe it is important to have a belief in a higher power. While I now understand it's historical context - I don't see the value in continuing to include such descriptive language.
  21. If you're thinking patch - id talk with the council about a custom council patch. I've seen Wood Badge and other events have them - why not a units 75th anniversary. There are not many of those.
  22. It's funny how council's do this different ways. Usage of our council's camps are still free. It's a nice benefit. FWIW - the OP's budget largely matches the personal spending in our troop too.
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