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Everything posted by ParkMan

  1. There's two different issues here. 1) the question of which stands in court really has nothing to do with the BSA directly. In court, it will be up to whichever lawyer makes the more compelling argument. In this case the BSA has two documents - one which defines the policy and one which expands and clarifies it. Here, I think just about any lawyer would be able to make the argument that both hold. But, I'm not a lawyer - so perhaps I'm wrong. 2) I completly agree that the BSA should be more precise in this language. There's probably something like 10-20 different adult supervisi
  2. I think this confuses many people. They presume that the "BSA hierarchy" will overule, supervise, correct, etc. unit leaders. I recognized a long time ago that the BSA is essentially a francise system. The BSA provides the program and infrastructure for the chartered organizations to run their own program. Local unit operations and volunteer supervision is entirely within the domain of the chartered organization. The BSA does not get involved in unit operations unless there is a safety or youth protection issue. Beyond that, the BSA really attempts to stay uninvolved in local unit ma
  3. My daughter's are girl scouts and I wish the GSUSA all the success in the world. But given how part of the GSUSA lawsuit specifically focused on the actions of individual local units, their comment seems remarkably hypocritical. Ugh - I just wish this had not stooped to the level of lawsuits.
  4. My understanding that a retaliation clause would more directly effects those who are friends of the YPT offender. i.e., we're going to make your life tough for making a YPT report against our good friend Scoutmaster Joe.
  5. It would seem pretty reasonable for the BSA to have a statement prohibiting retaliation of good faith YPT concerns. Simply saying that retalation in response to good faith YPT claims can result in revocation of membership in the BSA ought to be sufficient. Leave it to the BSA to arbitrate what good faith means on a case by case basis.
  6. I have to assume that in a one-on-one meeting, either parent (male or female) could serve as the second adult. It wouldn't make any sense otherwise.
  7. I would concur with @Sentinel947. In our area, gifts are not typical nor expected for completing Wood Badge. But, if you'd like to present a small gift, I'm sure it would be meaningful to your Cubmaster. I have a Fieldbook presented to me as a gift by the den leader where I was a den chief as a Scout. A different situation - I grant you. But, it's something that sits on my bookshelf to this day and is meaningful to me.
  8. I'm still intreguied by the new unit Commissioner part of @Ranman328's question. I've always been of the understanding that the role of a UC is to provide guidance to the unit leaders to help them be successful. Advice can certainly sometimes be directive i.e. "you should allow the Scouts more time to individually finish ranks on their own timeline instead of rushing it." But, generally I've always thouht of the UC as more of a trusted advisor or a consultant. If a new UC showed up and started telling me what I was doing wrong, I'd don't think I'd listen too much. "who is this UC
  9. I'm not surprised to hear that the Scoutmaster is new to the role. The new 2019 Scouts BSA online training is really playing up the buddy part. I was struck by how prevalent it now is in the materials. I could very much see how a newly trained leader could be confused by that one.
  10. There is no tax implication for the reason you mentioned. Theoreticallly it's like a church allocating $1,000 to their youth group.
  11. Understood. I think this is one of those "lemonade from lemons" situations. It's been my experience in dealing with CO's that they are not terribly well versed in how to manage the Pack/CO relationship. So, when they do nutty things (like trying to bribe the pack to help out), it helps to take a step back and ask "what are they really saying here?" I think it's always worth strengthening the CO/Pack relationship. If you think that the CO is asking for too big a committment, then to @fred8033's point - start a dialog and see if there is something that does work.
  12. You're going to need about 50 scouts to do this over the course of the year. With 40 scouts between the pack & troop, you'll probably want to ask each scout to sign up for 1 or 2 spots. That's not an awful burden to help fund the pack. But, I think my real question would be - do you want to do this? As I see it, your CO is basically asking you all to be more involved in the CO's success. We as Scouters are often commenting how uninvolved the COs are in our units. This strikes me as an opportunity to be more engaged with the CO. That can be a very good thing. My recommendati
  13. @Mom2Scout My last post was getting long and this is a different point, so please pardon the double post. In your specific situation, I would encourage you to start participating in the committee meetings. Something that I took away from @ianwilkins great post is that it's not necessarily the decision to start a troop for girls that is the issue. It's how the interaction works between the troop for boys and the troop for girls that is the area of focus. A great place for you to be able to impact how this all works out is from the troop committee. You're already quite active in the
  14. @Mom2Scout I completely agree with you that the troop leadership could have handled the timing of this better. Waiting until after recharter is done suggests that the leadership feared that Scouts would leave and they wanted to avoid that. It may be untrue and unfair, but that's what it suggests. The leadership team should have avoided that perception and announced it earlier in the process. Perhaps just before recharter. In my experience, Troops are essentially small communities. For most Scouts, their involvement in the troop is a significant part of their lives. So, their familie
  15. It feels like advancement often gets a disproportionate amount of attention. As I see it, advancement is just one of eight methods of Scouting. It's not the most important nor the least important. It's just one of the eight. Our troop provides lots of opportunities for Scouts to work on advancement. Often it's in the form on a PLC organized event, skills instruction, or adult organized time to work on something. We make sure the opportunities are easily and readily available for a motivated Scout who wants to advance. We don't force advancement on anyone, but nor do we try to slow i
  16. Guess I need to go back and work on my math skills. Oops! Still - seems pretty impressive to me.
  17. That's about 30 new troops per state. Not too shabby!
  18. Fully agree and very good point. I'm just going out on a limb here - but as these girls all registered the first day they probably had a plan to do this. But, even if there was a little exuberance and a few "close enough" so they could achieve this on day one, I wouldn't sweat it. Honestly - my feedback to the "new" unit commissioner would be to not worry about checking up on the Scoutmaster and instead work to become a trusted adviser instead. A Scoutmaster needs a friend and adviser way more than someone to check up on them. When I was troop committee chair our unit commissioner was
  19. I really wouldn't read too much into it either. Arguments about the right way to speak up for those who are disadvantaged are as old as our country itself. I think the fact that the Scout was out of uniform when leading the pledge at a City Council meeting bothers me more. You can argue about the point he was making by kneeling. Frankly I think it's blatantly disrespectful that he shows up to such a ceremony out of uniform. If leading the Pledge of Allegiance at your City Council meeting isn't a uniformed occasion then I can't imagine what one is.
  20. For what it's worth, if I were a pack leader in this position my first step would be to decide if the pack is invested in admiting girls. I assume the answer is yes from your question - but I wanted to confirm. if the pack is in, I'd do: Go ahead and sign her up. If the bear den agrees - let her work with them. Be upfront with the father that BSA rules prevent her from meeting without a female present. Don't put yourself in that position for more than a few weeks up front. i.e. - I'll do it now, but someone needs to volunteer by March 15. Perhaps a mother of one of t
  21. That's what I get for not reading the tags. Bummer! Thank you very much for correcting my misunderstanding.
  22. I've looked at these a couple of times. The folks at the Scout Shop told me that they do require dry cleaning. That was a deal breaker for me and I opted for the poly-cotton. If someone has a different experience - I'd be interested to hear.
  23. Thanks. Good to hear. Hopefully as we assemble something this will come through. My belief is that the packs ultimately want to be successful. They don't enjoy dens of one or two scouts. They don't enjoy scraping to find leaders. They don't enjoy overloaded Cubmasters. As a result, if we are successful in helping them they will ultimately have stronger packs and more scouts and more leaders. Net result is stronger programs. There's a lot of wishful thinking here - but I figure we've got to start somewhere.
  24. Nice - I like that idea. One of the challenges I'm realizing now as I think about how to tackle these kind of problems at a district level is to find the best way to engage with the packs. I'd love to visit each pack personally - but realize that with 15-20 packs in the district that it will take time to get to them all. I fear that the packs will interpret it as the district preaching and tune out - but I'm not sure how else to do this in a timely way.
  25. 100% agree - very good point. Just curious - when you taught adult leader recruiting how did you do it? A class, roundtable, visit the units, something else?
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