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  1. ParkMan

    Breaking Point

    So I come from the thread on how professionals are no good to the thread about how Scouters who take Wood Badge are no good.
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    BSA Executive Salaries

    I think this is a bit unfair for us to generalize. We're making statements about who DEs are and what their motivation are. We all have different experiences. I know mine well and he was a guy who was a dedicated scout and later volunteer. He decided he wanted to make a living out of it. Yes, he worries about money and membership because he has to. But he's also first to be concerned about program too.
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    Mike Rowe: Death of Boy Scouts?

    Only to play devil's advocate... I've been given two or three pocket knives over the years and have never bothered to carry them. I have to cut something once a week or so. When I do, I grab a pair of scissors or a utility knife from the garage. To me they're just a tool. I don't carry a screwdriver around, why would I carry a knife? I'm glad we have the freedom to do it, but it's not a big deal to me at all.
  4. ParkMan

    Stepping aside

    I'd let it go. Your work as Scoutmaster will speak volumes. I'd you get dragged into it, then it just gets worse. I'd be happy with your service, take the high road, wish him the best, and just move on.
  5. Yes - of course. We occasionally have a boy swear and a leader talks with him. We've never had an incident of pornography.
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    BSA Executive Salaries

    Fair enough. Just struck me that the LDS decision was likely in the works for some time now. A decision last year to admit girls didn't seem to match up sequence wise with the LDS decision. But, perhaps I'm wrong. I do understand where you're coming from and think it's unfortunate for the Scouts that we loose good people because of this. Who the BSA admits is less important to me than the core mission of bringing Scouting to the youth in the program. Do I agree with the recent decisions - sure. But, had they not happened, I'd still be a volunteer. I understand that for you these decisions overshadow the core program. Though we see it differently, I won't try to persuade you. I tried that last week with some others to no avail. I'll just simply leave it at that it's sad we'll lost you.
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    BSA Executive Salaries

    When I was a Cubmaster I'd have said much the same. My pack never camped at Council camps, never participated in District or Council activities, never took advantage of any support from a DE on membership or anything else. We were the big, successful pack that did it all our self. For our part, the only relationship we had with the BSA was: - purchase badges and other items from the store - turn in recharter packets & applications - the occasional training So, in a real way, we'd have said much the same. When I joined the troop, I saw that things were different - but only because we wanted it to be so. We go to camporees, council events, council camps, make better use of training, etc. We're better off for it, but I do still remember those days in Cub Scouts when we operated completely independently.
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    BSA Executive Salaries

    That's essentially what I thought too. Thanks. Reading it over though, it's interesting how the BSA leadership maneuvered here. Makes me wonder if the relationship was already strained.
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    BSA Executive Salaries

    But I thought this forum had established that the BSA decision to go co-ed was because the LDS church had already the BSA leadership it was leaving. Let's say though that they hadn't. The BSA created all kinds of special stuff in the program for the LDS church. I would imagine that the execs would have gladly said that LDS units were exempt from the co-ed program.
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    Mike Rowe: Death of Boy Scouts?

    It used to say that Cub Scouts were only allowed to use flat bottom boats. The current G2SS appears to have clearly moved away from that.
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    Breaking Point

    Scouters of different ages help create a richness in the adventure. Yes, a younger adult can strap on a pack and lead the boys on a great hike. Any older Scouter can help at Camp, telling stories, imparting wisdom to the boys. One of my most memorable conversations as a scout was with an older Scouter who helped me through a time on a trip when I got myself in a 14 year old snit. He helped me to see the bigger picture. Explained to about how I was technically correct, but was missing the bigger picture. I think of him to this day. I hope the experienced Scouters continue to keep coming back to our troop. They add so much to the experience for the boys.
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    Mike Rowe: Death of Boy Scouts?

    I'd be interested to get Mike's opinion on what a troop should do. Much of what I see in his comments a unit could do today. Increase the adventure in your troop program. Make your troop program less coddling. Etc. I grant that National has restricted too many things in the name of safety. But I bet there is lot troops could do now to start the process.
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    Breaking Point

    This is my feeling too. Our program is our program. The scouts are still going to have great experiences and it will be fun and rewarding to help make that happen. I do get the feeling of hurt. Folks know that I think the membership changes are for the better- but I really do understand the hurt and betrayal they are causing. Despite that, I just keep thinking about the scouts and the wonderful adventures. None of these national changes will change that. So, for me I don't have a big concern about the future. I'll keep Scouting as long as interested kids show up that want to have the great Scouting adventure.
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    Just Another Award ?

    Hypothetically speaking... Were this the District Award of Merit. In my book, I think a district should feel free to award this to an individual once per district. The recipient hangs the plaque on his wall next to the other one. But, the recipient only wears one uniform knot. The uniform knot is a recognition that you've earned the award. I think you just wear it once. On the District Award of Merit nomination form, it says: It is not appropriate to nominate a Scouter who has already received this award. So, if the nominator paid attention to that, he should not have nominated that person. But, if the nominator ignores it and the District Award or Merit committee selects that nomination, then the recipient should gracefully accept it.
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    Mike Rowe: Death of Boy Scouts?

    I Our troops challenge is coming up with adventurous ideas. We all most never veto an idea because of G2SS rules. Maybe we could have some of the grey-beards share some ideas we could learn from. I'd appreciate it.
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    Mike Rowe: Death of Boy Scouts?

    What I meant by changed is that my world is much broader than my fathers and even more than his fathers. When my dad was a kid, vacation was somewhere in the state. When I was a kid, vacation was a trip to the beach. Today, my kids go to national parks all over the country, travel to Europe, etc. Travel is just less expensive than it once was. My kids have 200+ TV channels with stories about exotic places, survival experts, etc. When i was a kid we had National Geographic, a few TV channels, and the movies. I remember one of the troop high adventure trips a few years ago. By coincidence my family was visiting many of the same places at National Parks on the west coast. We'd see an email from the troop that they'd gone somewhere and I'd think - yep, we'll be there tomorrow. When I was a kid you'd do things in Scouting you couldn't other places. Now my kids just go on vacations with us.
  17. I'm just trying to figure out how to build a bridge here.
  18. As a Catholic, I knew of the group and had certainly heard of it before, but have not dealt with them. In doing my research on the topic, I looked them up and checked their position. I'm comfortable with them as a voice who has looked over the issues at hand from a Catholic perspective. But my CO is Presbyterian - so there's no way I'd have dealt with them anyways.
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    Mike Rowe: Death of Boy Scouts?

    This is more in line with what I have seen too. The Scouting program is not providing the sense of adventure, challenge, and fun that it did generations ago. So, many boys are simply losing interest in it. Whether it's because we've become safer, because boys have raised their expectations, or something else - I'm not sure. It feels plausible that it's because the current crop of Scout leaders have been driven to be less adventurous and more risk adverse - but again, I don't really know.
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    Mike Rowe: Death of Boy Scouts?

    Yep - I think that's a pretty spot on analysis of the situation. Not sure that I agree that being safe is the core problem, but it's an idea and props to him for thinking up a solution.
  21. My sense is that groups like this exist to allow a faith (or really any group) to have a more co-ordinated voice on issues in Scouting that impact the faith. if you had 5,000 churches in a faith each saying their own thing, it would be hard for that faith to have much influence. So groups like this exist to provide that singular voice. I figured as it was overseen by a bishop that someone must have decided it makes sense.
  22. I'd welcome us to focus on the 95% we have in common. I think that would be wonderful.
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    BSA Executive Salaries

    Just noting that these folks are volunteers like you or I. It's just that instead of being a unit committee member, they are on the national board.
  24. The point is that it's the Chartered Organization's choice - not the BSA's. The BSA says - religious CO, you establish your membership standards as it makes sense for your beliefs. That's up to you. No gays - that's the CO's call. No girls - that's the CO's call. The BSA isn't forcing the CO to do anything with respect to gay, transgender, or female members. The CO is free to implement the program that is consistent with it's beliefs. That passage from the Catholic church is merely confirming that. They are saying - yes, we agree that it's our choice and the BSA is leaving it up to us. If the Bishops come along and say "nope, you can't exclude gay members", that's the church's choice - not the BSA's.
  25. I'm Catholic and did a little searching for information on my church's take on this topic. I found a very illustrative statement at: http://www.nccs-bsa.org/pdf/letters/NCCS.20170208.Press.Release.pdf Here they write: The BSA has stipulated that religious partners will continue to have the right to make decisions for their units based on their religious beliefs. Scouting’s chartered organizations have the right to uphold their own moral standards within the units they charter. The teachings of the Catholic Church are upheld! Thus this change by the BSA has no impact on the operation and program delivery of scouting program in Catholic Chartered units. Further down: A Catholic parish can establish a membership guideline that follows Catholic teaching.
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