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I have heard you can vist the Jamboree just to look not to participate. Is that right? Anyone who has gone know the rules etc.?

Just little dip into semantics. Inter-faith is a more proper term when describing a worship service that includes Christian and non-Christian faith groups. The term non-denominational means not of one particular denomination, and denomination means one of the Christian groups. Also the use of the term now brings to mind a particular style of conservative Christian church.

Here is my favorite Eagle with parents. A Norman Rockwell one and maybe a little dated for your use: http://home.earthlink.net/~scouters2/images/r1965.jpg

The computer mb before '93 had the scouts writing programs to make a database to make a Troop and Patrol list and other such. In '93 the change was a very good upgrade if even late.

Anyone catch the Super Bowl Half-time-- See Kid Rock wearing a US Flag as a poncho? Not my idea as a proper use.

Also they can carry over the knot for any heroism award. Also I have seen youth wearing the James E. West knot. In fact the first one I saw was on a young Scout. He told me his Grandfather gave money in his name.

By that time I was First Class, I guess I did not realize that they had increased them.

Back when I was a Scout in the 60 it was only one five mile hike. I checked my sons book from the mid -eighties, the Hiking Skill Award, you needed two five mile hikes. One in your town and one with your troop, patrol, or two or mother other Scouts. When was it three?

Im working on the committee getting WashJam together. We have been meeting since early last year. There will be more information going out to units in February hoping to get a leaders guide out in April. The website is a work in progress, many details are still be to finalize. It will be held at Fort Lewis Labor Day weekend . Councils in Seattle, Everett, Tacoma, and Yakima have members on the committee. You guys in Spokane and down in the Portland councils are very welcome to come. It sounds like its going to a lot of fun, hoping for 10,000.

Venturing crew should not 'do' Boy Scout advancement (as part of their program) but individual Venturers may finish up their Boys Scout advancement.

A Venturing Crew can not elect anyone to the OA, only Troops and Teams may elect Youth. Troops, Teams and the Lodge may elect adults to OA. Those that our 'from' the council or district are officially elected through the Lodge.

I think it went away in the 70's change. I always get a laugh when I mention when I was an Instructor in the 60's one of my areas was stalking.

Plus when the CO signs off on the recharter, they are approving the leadership, just like on an application. They have already approved the adults on the recharter when they approved their original application. Now this signature is approving their new positions.

Knowing our council registrar she would not like getting extra paper she doesnt need at recharter

Many of the Scouts in my old troop come back as Asst. SM and go on high adventure after they go to college. Let them help in planning. You also dont need to go to a high profile trek location, out here we head out to the Cascades or Olympics and hike fifty miles. I would hope there are opportunities near by you to do the same. Have the Scouts planned a less ambitious one this summer to work out the kinks for your big one.

Last summer they hiked the Chilkoot trail from Skagway, Alaska to the Yukon Territory, Canada. It took a lot of planning but this is a Troop that has go one or more High Adventure treks since my then 12 yr. old son set off in 1988. He is a Eagle as are many other who have gone on those treks. Now he climbs mountains (had to turn back in a whiteout last summer on his attempt to climb Mt. Rainier)and has run with the bulls in Pamplona.

Would it not be like in Boy Scouts where an unregistered adult in this case a female be allowed if it is a parent or guardian (mom) and then be counted as the female adult. But if some is not a parent or guardian and going on the outing they must be registered. Campfire Fairys description of her outings put her crew in violation of Youth Protection

In our council if you change position in the unit DL to CM during recharter all you have to do is change the position code on the recharter, no app needed (been that way for the last fifteen years Ive been a commissioner). A change another time you need an app. IH have never needed an application, just a change on the top of the recharter but if holding any other position they need to fill out app.

If you fulfilled the requirement during the year, old Cubmaster for nine months was trained, just got a new one hasnt had a chance to train you can count it.

I've seen some run in the rain and the arrow unravel by the next fellowship. We have had the snaps just fall off as they are putting them on for the first time. It just depends on the batch and what may work for washing for one may turn the sash pink for another. I dont think washable is in the specs the national supply sends out for bid.

Signaling delayed me from getting first class back in the mid sixties. I was not around when they pulled it out in for a while in the seventies but when my son became a scout in the mid eighties it was a option in the Communication Skill Award. In the 90 Handbook and rework of the requirements it again had no role in the requirements, this is when they got rid of Skill Awards and introduced the New Scout Patrol, Troop Guides and First Class in the First Year Emphasis. Signaling Merit Badge held on until about 91 ( I founded it in the 87-89 but not the 93-95 Requirement book

The only time I seen an OA sash worn over non-Scout Uniform has been when a Scout is serving as an Elingomat (I never spell it right so I hope it is close). He is serving as a guide to a clan of Ordeal candidates. He will wear his sash the whole time and while they are performing cheerful service he will wear it over grubies not wanting even to get his activity uniform trashed. This helps to identfy him to both the candidates and to others if they need to find him. Many proudly wear that dirty sash as they serve multiple times, but they purchase another one for more formal occasions. The other time I have seen it is the Camp OA Chief may have worn it over his camp activity uniform.

Here is a Scout movie Tex Rides with the Boy Scouts 1937. I picked up a copy on Ebay.

Here is website

http://us.imdb.com/title/tt0030849/

It is a B movie made for Saturday afternoon.

Only on a long sleeve shirt and then only six. He got to have more than that going for Eagle

Merit Badge Sash only. OA sashes are to be worn at OA function or when representing the OA. To show that you are member of the OA you should already be wearing the flap and the pocket rocket.

If you feel that a your MB sash is showing off, then what about your Life badge and any other badge or patch you have earned.

You earned them, wear them.

Our council requires a tour permit for unit trips to council camps and district and council events like camporees. I have run camporees and work as a volunteer weekend ranger at camp and in both cases, if you don't have one you don't get to stay.

You need to remember that a tour permit is work sheet or reminder that you have covered all the bases on G2SS rules and regs. It major benefit is it reminds you of what you need as you are planning an outing.

The only two in your list of not required tour permits I would agree with are the Troop meeting and Court of Honor, I would be careful of the patrol activity and if your are going as an unit to a council event I would file one.

A change for OA lodges, I got this off our lodge Yahoo group.

reprinted from http://www.oaimages.com/nonumbers.shtml

The Discontinuation of Lodge Numbers

At its December 2003 Planning Meeting the OA National Committee has voted to end the assignment and use of lodge numbers. Lodges will now officially be known by their names, council names and numbers, and council headquarters. This has already been implemented on the National OA website as indicated in the announcement of the 2004 National and Regional officers. In practice, even if not in fact, this went into effect a year before this meeting as the 2003 OA lodge charters did not have lodge numbers on them, only lodge names and council names and council numbers.

No new lodge numbers will be assigned. Lodges will not be renumbered to use their respective council numbers.

Below is the unedited text from a handout distributed at this National OA Committee meeting.

ISSUE:

OA Lodge Numbers

FACTS:

Lodge numbers were originally assigned sequentially as the lodges were formed. Therefore, in the beginning there was historical significance to the numbers.

Lodge mergers have occurred many times since 1915. In recent years, merging lodges have been given the option of picking a "new number" anywhere a "number" was vacant in sequence. Some lodges chose one of

their existing numbers, others chose a number to match their council number, and still others chose the lowest or highest vacant number available. Therefore the lodge numbering system is no longer historically significant throughout the BSA.

Even though our OA literature clearly states that there will be only one lodge per council, lodge numbers have made it easier for multiple lodges to exist in a merged council. Because the lodges could continue to be identified separately from their council, it was easy to not merge the lodges. Only through continuous external pressure and intervention have we been able to effect the lodge mergers.

Merging councils adopt one of their current council numbers rather than obtaining a new council number. The council numbering system is universally used throughout Scouting.

For years there has been the impression that lodges were entities unto themselves rather than belonging to their councils. Our vision as Scouting's national honor society is for every lodge to be an integral part of the council it serves.

Having one number for a council and another number for a lodge has generated confusion. This is especially true in the national office, at OA event registration, and all Scouting reporting functions.

Elsewhere in Scouting, reporting is done by councils and registration is done by council contingents.

CONCLUSION:

The original historical significance of lodge numbers is no longer universally meaningful throughout the BSA. The use of lodge numbers has caused confusion. The OA Strategic Plan and the lodge mission statement call for the lodge to be an integral part of its council, not a separate entity unto itself.

SOLUTION:

Henceforth, report and register OA lodges by the councils they serve. Identify lodges by lodge name, council name and council number. For example:

Kansa Lodge, Quivira Council #198, BSA

BENEFITS:

This will eliminate the current confusion over one number identifying the council and an additional number identifying the lodge.

It will reinforce the concept that a lodge belongs to the council it serves.

It will be simpler to maintain a single numbering system for reporting and registration purposes throughout Scouting.

It will ease the merger process.