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    Membership Removal Procedures Booklet

    Internally, I think the CO would just do whatever they do when terminating any other volunteer associated with their organization. The BSA does not impose specific procedures on the CO's for that. Externally, it would be logical for the CO, having removed a volunteer, to direct the CC to write a letter to Council informing them that the person is no longer affiliated with the unit and should be removed from the charter. (I don't think you get a refund though.)
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    Only six months till girls in Scouts BSA.

    I think it is just one of a series of misunderstandings, in some cases by people who are paid to know better. If the first girls join Scouts USA in Feb. 2019, there is no way any of them can make Eagle in 2019. Unless time travel is invented between now and then. I know Iowa always wants to be the "first" in everything, but they are going to have to settle for a "tie" this time.
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    Only six months till girls in Scouts BSA.

    And yet I have read elsewhere that there will be no "early adopter" option for "Scouts BSA" as there was for Cub Scouts. Or has that changed?
  4. I think it's clear enough. It is also the case that the decision about whether to accept work previously done is up to the counselor, not the Scoutmaster. An SM has no say at all in whether a Scout has successfully completed a merit badge, with that one fairly new exception for cases where it is clear that the counselor signed the card but the Scout did not actually complete the requirements. But that is not what is going on here.
  5. I think the answer is stated clearly enough in the sentence I have bolded below from section of the BSA's Legal Code on Advancement Guide to Advancement 2017. I have included exerpts of other parts of that section to provide context:
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    Who is headed to NOAC 2018?

    Forest green robes? But that might be too close to the Spiral Scouts, if they still exist.
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    Who is minding the Baltimore Area Council office?

    It does seem strange. To make it more strange, the video says the woman entered the building at 7:35 p.m. and left an hour later. Were they really having a staff meeting at that hour?
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    Breaking Point

    It boggles my mind that anyone associated with Scouting would say that.
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    Breaking Point

    That may be the common-sense answer, but I don't think its the BSA answer.
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    Miscellaneous Uniform Gripes

    It's also part of the title of a Frank Zappa song, "Peaches en Regalia," but we'll probably never know what he meant by it, since it's an instrumental and he gave mostly random titles to his instrumentals.
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    Jim Turley, new National BSA Chair

    I changed the title of this thread so it was a little clearer what it is about On a substantive note, I found this interesting: A bit of an understatement, but at least he made the effort.
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    NATIONAL POLICY: AOL and Crossover Ceremonies

    That sounds better than black robes. I think some people would misunderstand the meaning of the black robes, regardless of the fact that they were used all those years ago on Treasure Island. (The actual island, Treasure Island, is in New Jersey. It is one of two islands that makes up the ex-camp, the other one of which is in Pa. Just thought I'd mention that.)
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    NATIONAL POLICY: AOL and Crossover Ceremonies

    Black robes... what are the other options?
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    NATIONAL POLICY: AOL and Crossover Ceremonies

    I am curious, how would you answer your own question?
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    Denied a court of honor.

    Well, someone has to invite people to speak, and it should be your son, or at least it should be people he wants to speak and you can do the inviting if that is what he prefers. As for the MC, there is no absolute rule that says a parent cannot be the MC, but I have never seen it happen. It would be kind of awkward, at least the way my troop does ECOH's, because during the presentation of the Eagle badge etc. the parents are called up to stand behind their son and he then pins the Mom's and Dad's pins on his parents. Sometimes the MC will say something about all the support the Scout's parents gave him and he should be thankful to them, etc, etc. So a parent as MC really would get awkward, kind of like the Woody Allen movie where he is both his own attorney and the witness, and he is physically hopping back and forth every time he changes roles. Funny in a movie, not at a ceremony. In our troop there is a recent tendency for the Scout to choose one of his friends in the troop, or a recent alumnus from the troop, as the MC rather than one of the adult leaders. Obviously it should be someone who is not afraid to get up in front of a group of people and speak, and who can read from a script in a reasonably articulate manner, and who if something unexpected happens (e.g. it is Mr. Smith's turn to come up and read the Eagle charge or whatever, and Mr. Smith has gone to the men's room) can think on his feet, switch the order of things on the spot or say a few words off the cuff or whatever, rather than falling into little pieces on the floor (which is what would happen with many kids and quite frankly many adults as well.) Usually this means an older Scout, and it is nice if it is an Eagle but it does not have to be. (The kids in our troop who have been MC have all done a great job. One kid who has done it a few times also has some acting experience in high school, which is not a coincidence.) And yes, there should be a script. There are some on the Internet. If I had one handy I would send it to you, but I don't. Good luck.
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    Denied a court of honor.

    If it were me, I would give up on getting a better explanation and move on. Someone(s) has an issue with your son. That's just the way it is. Maybe you and/or your son have some idea what the issue is, maybe you don't. I just don't see what can be done about it at this point. Except that you and your son can organize and carry out his court of honor. It sounds like there are people in the troop who would probably agree to participate (such as the SM, who can ceremonially award the Eagle pin, certificate etc. to your son and maybe say a few words) and maybe some who won't. Good luck to your son.
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    Matt the Life Scout, are you a member of the PLC? Does the PLC actually have meetings? I ask this because the PLC can be an agent for change in the troop, more than the average 15-etc.-year-old may realize. When I hear a discussion among the boys (or when one of them asks me at a BOR or elsewhere) about a change they would like to make in the troop, I always suggest that they talk about it in the PLC, and if a majority of the PLC thinks it's a good idea, they write it up and give it to the SM to give to the committee for consideration. So far I don't think they have ever taken me up on it, and I have seen a few good ideas drift away because the boys could not devote say 30 minutes of their lives to bringing the issue to the committee's attention. (In at least one case I brought the idea up at a committee meeting myself, but I thought the others were things that should come to the boys, if at all.) Matt the Life Scout, if you read my post about what I did in ancient times when I was ASPL, you can do that, assuming you are a member of a functioning PLC. You can point what the book says about elections. If the other Scouts agree with you (perhaps over the vote of the current SPL, if he there), you type up the plan and give it to the SM. And watch what he does with it. If he takes it to the committee, maybe there will be a change. If he throws it in the wastebasket, then you have other issues with your troop.
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    Oh, and welcome to the forum!
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    Hello Everyone

    Welcome to the forum Setonfan!
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    Denied a court of honor.

    Check out this page: http://usscouts.org/eagle/eaglecongrats.asp
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    New den leader

    Well, the guy I am talking about has been a member of the BSA continuously since he joined the Cub Scouts at age 8, and I believe he is now 66 or 67, so he has had time to earn his 12 or whatever knots, and I am sure he earned them. As for me, I have three: Arrow of Light, Cub Scout Leader Award and Boy Scout Leader Award, and technically that would now be considered two knots, because the last two have been combined into one. And more to the point, since I did not start this thread, it sounds like Jillian has three as well, so it isn't an issue.
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    New den leader

    First of all Jillian, welcome to the forum! I agree with what the others have said. This is what the knots are for. You may be one of very few leaders in your pack wearing multiple Venturing knots, but that's because you earned them and the others didn't! @The Latin Scot, I never heard that "official recommendation" of no more than 9 knots. I am fairly certain that our CC has never heard of it either. But I am so grateful to him for stepping up to be CC (in a difficult situation), and for the job he is doing, that as far as I am concerned he could plaster his entire shirt with knots if he wanted to.
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    Looking for some insight

    I think this is the right approach. Keithami, I think your next step should be to contact your attorney - not about what the camp did, but what your ex did, and may try to do in the future. In the interest of full disclosure, I should mention that I am an attorney. But I think it’s good advice anyway, despite my possible predisposition to suggest a legal approach.
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    Denied a court of honor.

    None taken. I have mentioned a few times that the Guide to Advancement (first published around say 2010-2012) was clearly written as a legal document, by lawyers, and is clearly based on real situations that have reached the National (some of which were probably initiated by parents' lawyers, or parents who are also lawyers.) Legal fingerprints are all over the thing. It is probably necessary, but it is disappointing that it is necessary. The previous incarnation (Advancement Committee Policies and Procedures, or something like that) was much simpler, and more simply written.