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    From National: Official Name

    I don't like to make predictions, but I have difficulty seeing how there are going to be very many all-girl packs. While National is making it an option, it seems to me that they are really pushing the other option, mixed packs with all-girl dens. The whole "early adopter" thing seems to have been built around all-girl dens in existing packs, not creating new packs that would be girl-only. My guess is that that is going to carry over into the "regular adopter" process, and that of the packs that end up having female Cub Scouts, the large majority are going to be pre-existing packs that have added girl dens, rather than new all-girl packs. Then when it comes time for those girls to cross over, it seems likely to me that most of the parents, leaders and girls are going to want to go for the "linked troop" concept - which is more likely than the freestanding all-girl troop to end up looking like one troop with single-gender patrols.
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    From National: Official Name

    There is no requirement under this new system that male and female "Scouts BSA" be in the same meeting at all times. In fact there is no requirement that they EVER be in the same meeting - that's an option, not a requirement. You can have that kind of talk with the boys alone (though personally I would add having respect for themselves as well), and the female SM or ASM of the female "linked troop" can have the talk with the girls about having respect for themselves, and boys and men.
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    From National: Official Name

    Wait... we're still talking about the BSA and not other current events, right?
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    From National: Official Name

    I don't think 2021 was the year you were looking for. That's 3 years from now. But I mostly agree with the rest of your post. The fact that "the world has changed" doesn't necessarily mean that any particular change is justified. But it also is not enough, in opposing a particular change, to say that that isn't the way it was done 100 years ago. The question is, what will be the effect NOW? And based on that, I have said in the past that my preference was to have boys be Boy Scouts and girls be Girl Scouts, with the Girl Scouts doing much more to make sure that their outdoor program (which does exist) is actually being delivered on the local level, which it often isn't. But here we are, and we each have to decide individually how we're going to deal with it.
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    CSE Letter on GSUSA Infringements

    By my count there are 24 patrol names there that begin with either "Fire" or "Flaming." I think the Flaming Sock Patrol is my favorite. Some warmth on those cold nights at camp...
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    CSE Letter on GSUSA Infringements

    I was kidding about the sword anyway. And we have had a couple of patrol names in our troop that I don't think the BSA would be crazy about either. Added note: I noticed some interesting patrol patches over at ClassB.com. I would say the cutting implement depicted on the "Armed Viking" patrol patch is also probably not BSA-approved. I am also wondering which troop has a "Bag of Mulch" patrol, and why someone seems to think that Eagles have mammal-like teeth. (See "Angry Eagle" patrol patch.) And I only got up to the B's... And I couldn't help turning to the next page and noticing the "Black Hawk" patrol patch. My son's troop once had a Hawk Patrol, but the patch involved a bird, not a helicopter...
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    CSE Letter on GSUSA Infringements

    You're kidding, right? That was an April Fool's joke.
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    1971 - "Scouting/USA"....2018 "Scouts USA"

    The strip above the right pocket on a Cub Scout uniform shirt says "Boy Scouts of America." https://www.scoutshop.org/cub-scout-short-sleeve-shirt.html
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    CSE Letter on GSUSA Infringements

    I'm not sure that that sword complies with the Guide to Safe Scouting.
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    1971 - "Scouting/USA"....2018 "Scouts USA"

    I imagine the GSUSA might have had something to say (and perhaps legitimately in my opinion) about the BSA using "Scouting/USA." (They might not actually have said anything at the time, because the BSA was not recruiting 5-14 year old girls at the time, which they are now.) That is probably one of the reasons the BSA is not using "Scouts USA" now, they are using "Scouts BSA." That one letter may be the difference between a successful lawsuit by the GSUSA and an unsuccessful one, or, more likely, no lawsuit at all. Nothing in this post constitutes a legal opinion or advice nor does this post create an attorney-client relationship. Contact an attorney in your state for legal advice.
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    From National: Official Name

    Why won't the boys be able to hang around with other boys? The girls are in a different den or a different troop, and even if "linked" troops function as a single troop, the girls are effectively in their own patrol(s). The guys can hang out with the other guys in their den or patrol.
  12. I don't see the graphic. I am looking at https://www.scoutingnewsroom.org/press-releases/scout-me-in/. Should I be looking somewhere else?
  13. I was wondering about that. I see our troop flag almost every week but it has been awhile since I actually read it.
  14. I agree with that. But I also think this is going to take some getting used to. And, speaking of our program, the BSA has been saying since the beginning of this thing that there were going to be two separate programs at ages 11-17, one for boys and one for girls. There were charts and diagrams and everything, showing two separate programs. CSE Surbaugh made it clear, using various terminology, that the BSA was not going to "mess with" (my term) Boy Scout troops. Now it appears that there will be one program, "Scouts BSA." Will there still be separate TROOPS? I see no mention of that in the press release. And if there are, unfortunately that does get back to what things are called. If a CO has a boy troop and a girl troop, will they have the same number? Will they be Troop123B and 123G? (Or "M" and "F"?) I agree that names are not the most important thing, but I do hope there is going to be more clarity on this from National. I will call things whatever National wants me to call them, but they have to tell me.
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    How will you talk about girls troops and packs?

    In my troop we have been completely ignoring this whole thing. If and when someone (and it probably won't be any of us) approaches our CO about starting a girls' troop, I guess we'll see what happens.
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    Family Scouting Update

    Do? You mean, between now and tomorrow morning?
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    Family Scouting Update

    The organization is still going to be the "Boy Scouts of America." The question raised by Mashmaster's post is whether there is still going to be a program within the BSA called "Boy Scouts." I guess what we are going to find out is whether there are going to be two programs or one program at the age 11-17 level, and if there is one, what it is going to be called, and if there are two, what the name of the program for girls is going to be. I really hope they stick with the single-gender concept at age 11-17. And keep the name "Boy Scouts."
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    Ad hoc girl patrols formed and compete in camporee

    Well, ok, I'll buy that, and I hope the insurance companies would too, if there was an incident. This isn't exactly the same as an age-eligible male non-Scout going on a camping trip to see whether he wants to join the troop. He can join, right now. The girls can't, yet. But since this is happening, people might as well have an answer ready if and when the problem arises. It just kind of strikes me as funny, in a dark-humor sort of way, that the first time I am hearing of a "girl patrol" going on a camping trip, it involves tomahawk-throwing and sawing lumber.
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    Ad hoc girl patrols formed and compete in camporee

    Well, you may be right. I have never actually studied a council insurance policy. But a career of dealing with insurance companies makes me believe that if one of those tomahawks took an unfortunate course, and one of the persons at either end of the trajectory was a member of a "patrol" in a program that does not yet exist, the carrier would figure out a way to deny coverage. Admittedly I am a major cynic on the subject of insurance companies.
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    Ad hoc girl patrols formed and compete in camporee

    You are probably correct that these girls are not actually registered with the BSA. One therefore wonders what the insurance situation would be - at an event that involved throwing tomahawks and sawing through logs. That would almost be funny if it weren't so scary.
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    Ad hoc girl patrols formed and compete in camporee

    How does such a patrol even exist, yet? There is not yet a program for girls 11-17. It doesn't have a name. What program are these girls registered with? What unit are they part of?
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    Louisiana funds improvements to BSA camp not GUSA

    Nobody ever learns from history. That's why that saying exists in the first place.
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    CSE Letter on GSUSA Infringements

    Do people do that? (I do realize there is a smiley-face there, but if there is a joke here, I am missing it.)
  24. I think the by-the-book answer is that the APL is not there unless the PL is absent. That is how my troop operates. But I am sure there are troops that do otherwise and I don't think National is going to revoke anyone's charter over it.
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    Scout Harry Larue did you lose your wallet in 72?

    Hopefully the counselor is still alive.
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