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  1. www.jewishscouting.org Sound familiar?
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    National, Religion, Membership, Oath and Law

    I'd say it turned into that about five pages ago.
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    National, Religion, Membership, Oath and Law

    I didn't realize that exclusion of girls was compelled by morality.
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    National, Religion, Membership, Oath and Law

    As I (and others) said in this forum while the gay-exclusion policy was in effect, the BSA was not really acting in a non-denominational way by having that policy. It was enforcing the beliefs of some religions, denominations, etc. over the anti-discriminatory beliefs of others. I also don't think the exclusion of atheists is a "moral policy," meaning that I don't think it is compelled by moral principles. I know people who profess a belief in God, who are not very moral people, and people who are atheists who I consider to be very moral people. And if you look at atheism as a religious belief (in the sense that it is a belief about religion), then the BSA isn't acting non-denominationally in excluding them, anyway. (And I am not necessarily saying that policy should be changed. I would actually be ok either way.)
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    Ramadan Mubarak (Happy Ramadan) to our Muslim friends

    I’ll drink to that... um, well, you know what I mean...
  6. I have been copying parents on emails since before it became a rule in the BSA. I was a "mentor" for my son's high school robotics team (in non-technical areas) and I found myself writing an email to the captain of one of the sub-teams that I was assisting, and it occurred to me, Hey, you are writing to a 16- or 17-year-old girl, and flashing lights, bells and sirens started going off in my head. So I decided to cc one of her parents, and luckily I had the parents' email from some team-wide email. Then I decided, why not do that for every student, and later, every Boy Scout (such as in merit badge counseling.). It makes things cumbersome sometimes but I think it's the smart thing to do. (And now the BSA requires it.)
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    National, Religion, Membership, Oath and Law

    I realize this is somewhat of a tangent, but I just asked the Internet what "pantheism" is, and I don't think there would be any justification in denying Eagle to someone on the basis that he or she is a "pantheist." The BSA requires a belief in a higher power and that you do your duty to that higher power. Pantheism has a higher power, even though it doesn't "look like" the deity of most of the major religions.
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    National, Religion, Membership, Oath and Law

    Sounds logical.
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    From National: Official Name

    I guess it would be interesting to find out what kind of National recognition was given to Arthur Eldred in 1912. His Wikipedia page says the approval of his application came in a personal letter from James E. West, and they had to delay the award of his Eagle medal because they were still designing it, so it seems there was at least some measure of extra hoopla for the first MALE Eagle Scout.
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    SMM about WHY the Scout Law and Oath?

    But now that I think about it, if a hypothetical person (let's call him TampaTurtle) is having thoughts that are "impure" enough to violate A Scout is Clean, it wouldn't matter whether he is married or not, whereas Trustworthy and Loyal (and Obedient) only kick in if you are married.
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    National, Religion, Membership, Oath and Law

    You are correct, it was silly to say "I think..." when I should have said "I am absolutely certain..."
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    SMM about WHY the Scout Law and Oath?

    I can understand why you would hear "Clean", I would probably hear "Trustworthy" or "Loyal" or, if I'm joking around, "Obedient." If anything like that ever happened to me, of course.
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    National, Religion, Membership, Oath and Law

    First of all, I think that if there were ANY "program changes" made at exactly the same time as the transition to accepting girls as members, some people would scream to the high heavens about the program being "watered down" to accommodate girls - even if the program was actually being strengthened. Second of all, I think the reason that changes are not made to increase retention is that there is no consensus as to what those changes should be. That is played out in this forum all the time. Every time a a program change is suggested, there are arguments against it. There probably IS consensus that there should be fewer "homework badges" required for Eagle, but when a specific badge is being discussed, it is a different story. Then there was the discussion of going back to the 1911 camping requirements (50 nights for Camping MB, I believe.) Ok, but it's not going to happen. Then there was the discussion of "classical Scouting" (or some similar term), where a lot of people were all for going "back" to an earlier decade, but then it turned out that everyone wanted a different decade, usually the decade in which they were a Scout. (Except for the 70's, probably.)
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    National, Religion, Membership, Oath and Law

    There probably will be mergers of councils, but it's not like that is a new thing. I believe that ALL of the current councils in New Jersey are the product of mergers (or in one case a council simply going out of business) that have occurred in the past 20 years. If you go back to the mid-1970s there were probably more than 20 councils in NJ. Today there are 6 or 7 (two of which are headquartered in Pennsylvania.) There were at least nine councils in the territory that is now the Northern New Jersey Council.
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    From National: Official Name

    First of all, mazel tov, as they said back in the Old Country. Second of all, this is why I have been a little surprised and perhaps a bit skeptical about the reports in this forum of current Boy Scouts being generally dead-set opposed to this. Most teenaged boys I know would not be so upset about being "forced" to spend more time around teenaged girls.
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    Minimum time to achieve Eagle Scout rank

    I just want to point out that before last Weds., the last post in this thread was almost 16 years ago. Nothing wrong with that, but just don't expect most of the previous posters to respond to anything, because the majority (if not all) of them have not participated in the forum in years.
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    Minimum time to achieve Eagle Scout rank

    I can't help but wonder how much of that kind of attitude really originates with the boys and how much of it is generated by parents and leaders.
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    From National: Official Name

    It depends what the "work" is. The girls can LEARN all the things they need to know to pass the requirements (first aid, knots, map-reading, etc. etc.), but they have to wait until Feb. 1 to actually do what it says in the requirements, that is, "tell," "discuss," "show," "demonstrate," etc.
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    From National: Official Name

    In 15 years as a committee member I have seen one Scout make First Class in 6 months. (Not my son, it took him 2 years and a few months because of swimming). So it is possible, but not very common.
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    How will you talk about girls troops and packs?

    I don’t think National counted on you, and I mean that in a good way.
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    Smile, or Don't. Have fun with it.

    I think you may be missing the point. The World Crest has been replaced by what I believe is a “Woman Power” symbol. It goes along with the text. As for the missing U.S. flag and rest of the out-of-place, missing and mis-colored patches, it is pretty clear that this cartoonist doesn’t know and/or doesn’t care about the details of BSA uniforming, beyond what he needed to do to make sure the reader understands that this is a Boy Scout uniform, so he could make his ideological point.
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    From National: Official Name

    And where do the English stand now on the subject of coed Scouting? Not separate dens or patrols or linked troops, coed as in coed. And @Cambridgeskip says they sometimes have boys and girls tenting together. (!)
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    Smile, or Don't. Have fun with it.

    Sometimes you guys are enough to make a moderator run screaming into the night...
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    From National: Official Name

    Oh, brother... yeah, guys, please...
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