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    NATIONAL POLICY: AOL and Crossover Ceremonies

    Black robes... what are the other options?
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    NATIONAL POLICY: AOL and Crossover Ceremonies

    I am curious, how would you answer your own question?
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    Denied a court of honor.

    Well, someone has to invite people to speak, and it should be your son, or at least it should be people he wants to speak and you can do the inviting if that is what he prefers. As for the MC, there is no absolute rule that says a parent cannot be the MC, but I have never seen it happen. It would be kind of awkward, at least the way my troop does ECOH's, because during the presentation of the Eagle badge etc. the parents are called up to stand behind their son and he then pins the Mom's and Dad's pins on his parents. Sometimes the MC will say something about all the support the Scout's parents gave him and he should be thankful to them, etc, etc. So a parent as MC really would get awkward, kind of like the Woody Allen movie where he is both his own attorney and the witness, and he is physically hopping back and forth every time he changes roles. Funny in a movie, not at a ceremony. In our troop there is a recent tendency for the Scout to choose one of his friends in the troop, or a recent alumnus from the troop, as the MC rather than one of the adult leaders. Obviously it should be someone who is not afraid to get up in front of a group of people and speak, and who can read from a script in a reasonably articulate manner, and who if something unexpected happens (e.g. it is Mr. Smith's turn to come up and read the Eagle charge or whatever, and Mr. Smith has gone to the men's room) can think on his feet, switch the order of things on the spot or say a few words off the cuff or whatever, rather than falling into little pieces on the floor (which is what would happen with many kids and quite frankly many adults as well.) Usually this means an older Scout, and it is nice if it is an Eagle but it does not have to be. (The kids in our troop who have been MC have all done a great job. One kid who has done it a few times also has some acting experience in high school, which is not a coincidence.) And yes, there should be a script. There are some on the Internet. If I had one handy I would send it to you, but I don't. Good luck.
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    Denied a court of honor.

    If it were me, I would give up on getting a better explanation and move on. Someone(s) has an issue with your son. That's just the way it is. Maybe you and/or your son have some idea what the issue is, maybe you don't. I just don't see what can be done about it at this point. Except that you and your son can organize and carry out his court of honor. It sounds like there are people in the troop who would probably agree to participate (such as the SM, who can ceremonially award the Eagle pin, certificate etc. to your son and maybe say a few words) and maybe some who won't. Good luck to your son.
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    SHOULD HE BE REVOKED AS SPL?

    Matt the Life Scout, are you a member of the PLC? Does the PLC actually have meetings? I ask this because the PLC can be an agent for change in the troop, more than the average 15-etc.-year-old may realize. When I hear a discussion among the boys (or when one of them asks me at a BOR or elsewhere) about a change they would like to make in the troop, I always suggest that they talk about it in the PLC, and if a majority of the PLC thinks it's a good idea, they write it up and give it to the SM to give to the committee for consideration. So far I don't think they have ever taken me up on it, and I have seen a few good ideas drift away because the boys could not devote say 30 minutes of their lives to bringing the issue to the committee's attention. (In at least one case I brought the idea up at a committee meeting myself, but I thought the others were things that should come to the boys, if at all.) Matt the Life Scout, if you read my post about what I did in ancient times when I was ASPL, you can do that, assuming you are a member of a functioning PLC. You can point what the book says about elections. If the other Scouts agree with you (perhaps over the vote of the current SPL, if he there), you type up the plan and give it to the SM. And watch what he does with it. If he takes it to the committee, maybe there will be a change. If he throws it in the wastebasket, then you have other issues with your troop.
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    SHOULD HE BE REVOKED AS SPL?

    Oh, and welcome to the forum!
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    SHOULD HE BE REVOKED AS SPL?

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    Hello Everyone

    Welcome to the forum Setonfan!
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    Denied a court of honor.

    Check out this page: http://usscouts.org/eagle/eaglecongrats.asp
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    New den leader

    Well, the guy I am talking about has been a member of the BSA continuously since he joined the Cub Scouts at age 8, and I believe he is now 66 or 67, so he has had time to earn his 12 or whatever knots, and I am sure he earned them. As for me, I have three: Arrow of Light, Cub Scout Leader Award and Boy Scout Leader Award, and technically that would now be considered two knots, because the last two have been combined into one. And more to the point, since I did not start this thread, it sounds like Jillian has three as well, so it isn't an issue.
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    New den leader

    First of all Jillian, welcome to the forum! I agree with what the others have said. This is what the knots are for. You may be one of very few leaders in your pack wearing multiple Venturing knots, but that's because you earned them and the others didn't! @The Latin Scot, I never heard that "official recommendation" of no more than 9 knots. I am fairly certain that our CC has never heard of it either. But I am so grateful to him for stepping up to be CC (in a difficult situation), and for the job he is doing, that as far as I am concerned he could plaster his entire shirt with knots if he wanted to.
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    Looking for some insight

    I think this is the right approach. Keithami, I think your next step should be to contact your attorney - not about what the camp did, but what your ex did, and may try to do in the future. In the interest of full disclosure, I should mention that I am an attorney. But I think it’s good advice anyway, despite my possible predisposition to suggest a legal approach.
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    Denied a court of honor.

    None taken. I have mentioned a few times that the Guide to Advancement (first published around say 2010-2012) was clearly written as a legal document, by lawyers, and is clearly based on real situations that have reached the National (some of which were probably initiated by parents' lawyers, or parents who are also lawyers.) Legal fingerprints are all over the thing. It is probably necessary, but it is disappointing that it is necessary. The previous incarnation (Advancement Committee Policies and Procedures, or something like that) was much simpler, and more simply written.
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    Denied a court of honor.

    I'm going to move this to the Advancement section. There will still be a redirect in the Council Relations section.
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    Denied a court of honor.

    Mich, first of all, welcome to the forum! I realize that you said your son passed his Eagle BOR and is an Eagle, but I just want to button down that procedural issue. Do you know for certain that your son's Eagle application was submitted to National after the EBOR? Do you know for certain that it was approved? Does your son (or anyone else) have the certificate from National that says your son is an Eagle? If the answers are all "yes," then I guess I am still left with the same questions as those who have posted previously. I think your son has a right to know why he is not being treated the same as everybody else in the troop who has ever made Eagle. The fact that you can have your own ceremony is somewhat beside the point, at least to me. There is a great variety in how troops handle ECOH's. If a troop always organizes an ECOH for its Scouts, and suddenly for your son they are not doing so because "there's a lot that has gone on," whatever that means, I think your son has a right to an explanation.
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    Any C.O. issues with new 'Know Your Customer' regs??

    Besides which I believe the BSA officially "discourages" this. They do not want units to be legal entities. They want the CO to be the legal entity.
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    Any C.O. issues with new 'Know Your Customer' regs??

    If the CO says they won't do it, you might check with your council about what to do next. I am not assuming that they will necessarily have a helpful answer for you, but it's worth a try.
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    Any C.O. issues with new 'Know Your Customer' regs??

    T113Alexandrai, welcome to the forum! I have never heard of this, but I have never been directly involved with the troop's banking. It sounds to me like the bank is confusing an account for an organization with an account for an individual, but anything is possible. I know that our troop uses the CO's EIN number.
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    BSA National and Change Management

    I agree, I think. We are a hybrid of customers and members. We are not "members" in the legal sense. Perhaps the CO's are, I haven't looked into it that deeply. And some in this forum would argue that the CO's are truly the customers, but I'm not one of them. Or maybe it is just the kids and their parents who are really the customers, making those of us who no longer have a son in the program... what? Just volunteers, I guess.
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    BSA National and Change Management

    I receive Scoutingwire, and a council newsletter and a district newsletter. I read most of most of them. I read at least the first parts of Scouting magazine, where the "news" is. I do not subscribe to Bryan's Blog, but since the articles are often referenced on this forum, I probably read 30-40% of them. But I don't think I am the issue. I consider myself reasonably well-informed.* And I don't think most of the members of this forum are the issue. The issue is the people who most of us encounter on a regular basis in Scouting, who are not members of this forum. *I do think (and have said as much) that National could communicate better with the field (including me) on changes in advancement. The rollout of the changes accompanying the current handbook was pretty sloppy. And while National (in the person of yourself), did let us know about the issuance of the current edition of the Guide to Safe Scouting, I think National should have been more up-front about the fact that they were changing a clear, strongly-worded policy about alcohol use into a meaningless pile of mush, and should have explained why they were doing it. If these two issues sound like pet peeves of mine, well, yes, and I mentioned them in this forum at the time.
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    BSA National and Change Management

    I don't think "blame" is the issue here. The issue is success or failure. Despite my reservations about this decision (before it was made), and my concerns about how the decision was made and how it has been "rolled out," now that it is upon us, I want it to succeed. Yes, there was news coverage... for a few days. And in this constant news cycle we are now living in, within a couple of days after the announcement there were probably about 20 other "big stories" that captured peoples' attention. This might be a heretical statement in this forum, but there are things going on in the country and the world right now that are more important than whether there are girls in the Cub Scouts and "Boy Scouts" and how the transition is being handled. Not to mention the things that go on in peoples' lives that often drown out what is happening in the outside world. The parents of a Cub Scout who has a younger sister, or the parents of a 10-year-old girl with no current attachment to the BSA, could be excused if they heard about this a couple of times but it didn't really "register" because their attentions were distracted elsewhere. Obviously I am not talking about people who read this forum. I am talking about the much larger number of Scouters who do not. Businesses who want to get their message across have a time-honored (or dis-honored) method of doing so: Advertising. The BSA used to advertise too. I remember a couple of them from when I was in Cub Scouts/early Boy Scouts (so I'm talking say 1966-73 or so.) One had a "Follow the Rugged Road" theme. Another had (as far as I recall) a couple walking down a dark alley in a city when they see a person, obscured by shadows, walking toward them. They are fearful that they are being approached by an evil-doer. But then the shadowy figure walks under a street light or something and it turns out be an older teenager in a Boy Scout uniform. Everybody relaxes. A Boy Scout isn't going to mug you. And they lived happily ever after. As much as I hate most of the advertising I see, and the constant repetition of commercials both good and bad, that repetition is what gets the advertiser's message to "register" with the consuming public. Wouldn't that be appropriate in this situation? Even though National would have to spend some money on it? This is probably the biggest change in the BSA in any of our lifetimes. Isn't it worth more than a few press releases to make sure the word is getting out?
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    Total Available Youth after Feb. 1

    Based on past BSA practice, my prediction is that sometime later this year (quite likely much later) the BSA will come out with a new scoresheet for 2019 that not only takes the "doubling" of TAY into account, but includes specific goals for adding girl dens and girl troops (on the district and council level.) This will happen before 2019 begins - but not nearly in time for you to do your planning in July of the previous year. Just a prediction.
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    BSA National and Change Management

    This is something I have been wondering about: Were they going to depend on the existing Scouting community to get the word out about this, or were they going to have an all-out publicity campaign so that everybody, inside and outside of Scouting, would know about it. From your post, which has been confirmed by the fact that I have not heard much discussion about this outside of Roundtables and this forum, it appears they have chosen the former. I think that is a big mistake. I think the population of families that have been clamoring for their daughters to be able to join Cub Scouts and "Boy Scouts" is much smaller than the population of families that haven't even thought about it because they don't know it's available. Kind of like a new high-tech vacuum cleaner that sings, dances and plays the Star-Spangled Banner. You don't know you "need" it until you see an ad for it.
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    BSA National and Change Management

    Sounds pretty bad to me.
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    BSA National and Change Management

    Well, I'm not sure that the absence of anyone from National jumping out of the bushes necessarily means that they "trust us." The fact is that they don't have nearly enough staff (and in practical terms, never could) to be hiding in the bushes in the first place.
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