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    SHOULD HE BE REVOKED AS SPL?

    Matt the Life Scout, are you a member of the PLC? Does the PLC actually have meetings? I ask this because the PLC can be an agent for change in the troop, more than the average 15-etc.-year-old may realize. When I hear a discussion among the boys (or when one of them asks me at a BOR or elsewhere) about a change they would like to make in the troop, I always suggest that they talk about it in the PLC, and if a majority of the PLC thinks it's a good idea, they write it up and give it to the SM to give to the committee for consideration. So far I don't think they have ever taken me up on it, and I have seen a few good ideas drift away because the boys could not devote say 30 minutes of their lives to bringing the issue to the committee's attention. (In at least one case I brought the idea up at a committee meeting myself, but I thought the others were things that should come to the boys, if at all.) Matt the Life Scout, if you read my post about what I did in ancient times when I was ASPL, you can do that, assuming you are a member of a functioning PLC. You can point what the book says about elections. If the other Scouts agree with you (perhaps over the vote of the current SPL, if he there), you type up the plan and give it to the SM. And watch what he does with it. If he takes it to the committee, maybe there will be a change. If he throws it in the wastebasket, then you have other issues with your troop.
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    SHOULD HE BE REVOKED AS SPL?

    Oh, and welcome to the forum!
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    SHOULD HE BE REVOKED AS SPL?

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    Hello Everyone

    Welcome to the forum Setonfan!
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    Denied a court of honor.

    Check out this page: http://usscouts.org/eagle/eaglecongrats.asp
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    New den leader

    Well, the guy I am talking about has been a member of the BSA continuously since he joined the Cub Scouts at age 8, and I believe he is now 66 or 67, so he has had time to earn his 12 or whatever knots, and I am sure he earned them. As for me, I have three: Arrow of Light, Cub Scout Leader Award and Boy Scout Leader Award, and technically that would now be considered two knots, because the last two have been combined into one. And more to the point, since I did not start this thread, it sounds like Jillian has three as well, so it isn't an issue.
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    New den leader

    First of all Jillian, welcome to the forum! I agree with what the others have said. This is what the knots are for. You may be one of very few leaders in your pack wearing multiple Venturing knots, but that's because you earned them and the others didn't! @The Latin Scot, I never heard that "official recommendation" of no more than 9 knots. I am fairly certain that our CC has never heard of it either. But I am so grateful to him for stepping up to be CC (in a difficult situation), and for the job he is doing, that as far as I am concerned he could plaster his entire shirt with knots if he wanted to.
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    Looking for some insight

    I think this is the right approach. Keithami, I think your next step should be to contact your attorney - not about what the camp did, but what your ex did, and may try to do in the future. In the interest of full disclosure, I should mention that I am an attorney. But I think it’s good advice anyway, despite my possible predisposition to suggest a legal approach.
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    Denied a court of honor.

    None taken. I have mentioned a few times that the Guide to Advancement (first published around say 2010-2012) was clearly written as a legal document, by lawyers, and is clearly based on real situations that have reached the National (some of which were probably initiated by parents' lawyers, or parents who are also lawyers.) Legal fingerprints are all over the thing. It is probably necessary, but it is disappointing that it is necessary. The previous incarnation (Advancement Committee Policies and Procedures, or something like that) was much simpler, and more simply written.
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    Denied a court of honor.

    I'm going to move this to the Advancement section. There will still be a redirect in the Council Relations section.
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    Denied a court of honor.

    Mich, first of all, welcome to the forum! I realize that you said your son passed his Eagle BOR and is an Eagle, but I just want to button down that procedural issue. Do you know for certain that your son's Eagle application was submitted to National after the EBOR? Do you know for certain that it was approved? Does your son (or anyone else) have the certificate from National that says your son is an Eagle? If the answers are all "yes," then I guess I am still left with the same questions as those who have posted previously. I think your son has a right to know why he is not being treated the same as everybody else in the troop who has ever made Eagle. The fact that you can have your own ceremony is somewhat beside the point, at least to me. There is a great variety in how troops handle ECOH's. If a troop always organizes an ECOH for its Scouts, and suddenly for your son they are not doing so because "there's a lot that has gone on," whatever that means, I think your son has a right to an explanation.
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    Any C.O. issues with new 'Know Your Customer' regs??

    Besides which I believe the BSA officially "discourages" this. They do not want units to be legal entities. They want the CO to be the legal entity.
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    Any C.O. issues with new 'Know Your Customer' regs??

    If the CO says they won't do it, you might check with your council about what to do next. I am not assuming that they will necessarily have a helpful answer for you, but it's worth a try.
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    Any C.O. issues with new 'Know Your Customer' regs??

    T113Alexandrai, welcome to the forum! I have never heard of this, but I have never been directly involved with the troop's banking. It sounds to me like the bank is confusing an account for an organization with an account for an individual, but anything is possible. I know that our troop uses the CO's EIN number.
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    BSA National and Change Management

    I agree, I think. We are a hybrid of customers and members. We are not "members" in the legal sense. Perhaps the CO's are, I haven't looked into it that deeply. And some in this forum would argue that the CO's are truly the customers, but I'm not one of them. Or maybe it is just the kids and their parents who are really the customers, making those of us who no longer have a son in the program... what? Just volunteers, I guess.
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    BSA National and Change Management

    I receive Scoutingwire, and a council newsletter and a district newsletter. I read most of most of them. I read at least the first parts of Scouting magazine, where the "news" is. I do not subscribe to Bryan's Blog, but since the articles are often referenced on this forum, I probably read 30-40% of them. But I don't think I am the issue. I consider myself reasonably well-informed.* And I don't think most of the members of this forum are the issue. The issue is the people who most of us encounter on a regular basis in Scouting, who are not members of this forum. *I do think (and have said as much) that National could communicate better with the field (including me) on changes in advancement. The rollout of the changes accompanying the current handbook was pretty sloppy. And while National (in the person of yourself), did let us know about the issuance of the current edition of the Guide to Safe Scouting, I think National should have been more up-front about the fact that they were changing a clear, strongly-worded policy about alcohol use into a meaningless pile of mush, and should have explained why they were doing it. If these two issues sound like pet peeves of mine, well, yes, and I mentioned them in this forum at the time.
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    BSA National and Change Management

    I don't think "blame" is the issue here. The issue is success or failure. Despite my reservations about this decision (before it was made), and my concerns about how the decision was made and how it has been "rolled out," now that it is upon us, I want it to succeed. Yes, there was news coverage... for a few days. And in this constant news cycle we are now living in, within a couple of days after the announcement there were probably about 20 other "big stories" that captured peoples' attention. This might be a heretical statement in this forum, but there are things going on in the country and the world right now that are more important than whether there are girls in the Cub Scouts and "Boy Scouts" and how the transition is being handled. Not to mention the things that go on in peoples' lives that often drown out what is happening in the outside world. The parents of a Cub Scout who has a younger sister, or the parents of a 10-year-old girl with no current attachment to the BSA, could be excused if they heard about this a couple of times but it didn't really "register" because their attentions were distracted elsewhere. Obviously I am not talking about people who read this forum. I am talking about the much larger number of Scouters who do not. Businesses who want to get their message across have a time-honored (or dis-honored) method of doing so: Advertising. The BSA used to advertise too. I remember a couple of them from when I was in Cub Scouts/early Boy Scouts (so I'm talking say 1966-73 or so.) One had a "Follow the Rugged Road" theme. Another had (as far as I recall) a couple walking down a dark alley in a city when they see a person, obscured by shadows, walking toward them. They are fearful that they are being approached by an evil-doer. But then the shadowy figure walks under a street light or something and it turns out be an older teenager in a Boy Scout uniform. Everybody relaxes. A Boy Scout isn't going to mug you. And they lived happily ever after. As much as I hate most of the advertising I see, and the constant repetition of commercials both good and bad, that repetition is what gets the advertiser's message to "register" with the consuming public. Wouldn't that be appropriate in this situation? Even though National would have to spend some money on it? This is probably the biggest change in the BSA in any of our lifetimes. Isn't it worth more than a few press releases to make sure the word is getting out?
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    Total Available Youth after Feb. 1

    Based on past BSA practice, my prediction is that sometime later this year (quite likely much later) the BSA will come out with a new scoresheet for 2019 that not only takes the "doubling" of TAY into account, but includes specific goals for adding girl dens and girl troops (on the district and council level.) This will happen before 2019 begins - but not nearly in time for you to do your planning in July of the previous year. Just a prediction.
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    BSA National and Change Management

    This is something I have been wondering about: Were they going to depend on the existing Scouting community to get the word out about this, or were they going to have an all-out publicity campaign so that everybody, inside and outside of Scouting, would know about it. From your post, which has been confirmed by the fact that I have not heard much discussion about this outside of Roundtables and this forum, it appears they have chosen the former. I think that is a big mistake. I think the population of families that have been clamoring for their daughters to be able to join Cub Scouts and "Boy Scouts" is much smaller than the population of families that haven't even thought about it because they don't know it's available. Kind of like a new high-tech vacuum cleaner that sings, dances and plays the Star-Spangled Banner. You don't know you "need" it until you see an ad for it.
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    BSA National and Change Management

    Sounds pretty bad to me.
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    BSA National and Change Management

    Well, I'm not sure that the absence of anyone from National jumping out of the bushes necessarily means that they "trust us." The fact is that they don't have nearly enough staff (and in practical terms, never could) to be hiding in the bushes in the first place.
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    BSA National and Change Management

    And now they have made the burnout problem even worse by adding Lions.
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    BSA National and Change Management

    If you are talking about the quality of unit leaders, as I believe you are, I would say that National does not see that as a major issue for National. They leave it up to local leadership and CO's to find quality leaders. They would start caring at the point where incompetent leadership becomes so serious and so widespread that it results in the disappearance of multiple units and members (and the registration fees that come with them.)
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    Can IH also serve as SM/ASM?

    I agree with David. I seem to recall for awhile that my son's pack had an IH (Exec. Officer) who was registered as a Den Leader. I think the logic is that the IH is not actuailly registered as a Scouter (which the COR is) so it does not present an issue of dual-position-holding. But I also agree that it should not be a long-term arrangement. It is kind of awkward. The COR can remove and replace the SM. The IH can remove and replace the COR. So if the IH is also the SM, you have two people with the authority to remove each other. Hopefully it never comes to that. But it is not an ideal permanent solution.
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    2018 GUIDE TO SAFE SCOUTING

    This discussion reminds me of something that happened to me a few months ago. My wife and I (and one of my adult daughters, but that's not relevant to the story) went to a concert. She had driven. On her keychain she has one of these very tiny "pocket" knives. It did not occur to her that she might have trouble getting that very tiny knife into the arena, and I had forgotten it was on her keychain. So we walked from the parking lot to the arena, which was just within my wife's ability to walk in one stretch due to her arthritis. Sure enough, at the security checkpoint one of the security guards saw the knife and made it clear that it was not coming into the arena with my wife. They were reasonably polite about it. But someone (and I think we all know who that someone was) had to trudge back to the parking lot and stow the tfiny knife in the car. I guess the point is that they did not arrest my wife for trying to bring a "weapon" into the arena. They did what was necessary to protect the other concert-goers from my wife's very tiny knife, which is what they should have done, even though at the time I suppose I was slightly annoyed at having to bring this ridiculously small knife back out to the care in the middle of the winter.
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