NJCubScouter

Acco makes a good suggestion. It is an issue the boys can resolve among themselves, and so they should. And in all likelihood they will end up taking turns as you would have them do. You might even tell the patrol leader that one way would be to take turns. What you want to avoid is you deciding or even suggesting who gets the first turn. On another level, my guess is that this is not the only "issue" that you have in dealing with this Scout. Have you asked your SM or if he/she cannot help, your DE for resources for dealing Scouts with ADHD? I know that resources do exist for this a

Hey, that last post was pretty poetic, if I do say so myself. The first part, I mean. The last sentence is just a once-in-a-lifetime thing, just remember, you got to see it.

Despite the dire consequences it may have for the geological stability of the world around us, or for "climate control" in the fiery underworld beyond, I must say this: I agree with Rooster.

BobWhite says: NJ, you base an erroneous aasumption on an erroneous premise. You suggest that the BSA cannot or has not removed a member of a unit committee from membership. That is incorrect. Well, I don't think I suggested that. What I actually said was: "They do not replace members of unit committees, they simply revoke (or decline to renew) the charter." As you acknowledge later in your post, "replace" means appointing someone, not just removing someone. So I did not "suggest" that national cannot or has not "removed" anyone. What I did suggest is that it is inconsistent with

NOT much fun, I meant to type. NOT. I hate it when I do that. And that's a word that it's almost never a good idea to leave out of a sentence.

Aww, DS, you must be much fun at meetings. Does anyone have any further information regarding the possible schism in the Episcopal/Anglican Church? It is difficult to get a clear answer (I almost said a straight answer) on the Internet. It appears that the Archbishop of Canterbury has called a special worldwide meeting of "Primates" (not sure who those are, maybe the head archbishop in each country?) for October. I also heard on the radio at some point that the factions in the U.S. are basically sitting tight and not schism-ing anywhere pending that meeting. Much simpler to

By the way, I did find a site that explained the origin of the Life rank and why it is symbolized by a heart. See http://www.sageventure.com/history/changes/index.htm Originally Life was the first badge awarded after First Class and was awarded for earning five merit badges dealing with health and fitness (hence the heart and "Life"), namely: First Aid, Athletics, Life-saving, Personal Health, and Public Health. The Star badge was then earned for earning any five more merit badges. In 1927, in recognition of the fact that Star was easier to earn than Life, the order was switched. Or at

As it turns out, the BSA archivist was researching A question, but not THE question that Dsteele asked him.

"DS" -- If it were "Dan", then you would be the: Dan of Steele! Sorry.

Thanks for the info on the medals. I think I'll stick with the knot, I like the price better.

Scoutldr says: Try again...the Green Cross is a registered trademark of the National Safety Council. The Safety MB is a white cross on a green background. Clear as mud, eh? That may be, but the First Aid merit badge is a green cross on a red background. And the Webelos Readyman activity badge (introductory first aid) is just a green cross. And my "quip" about the colors was not just my own invention. At one point the American Red Cross DID care about the thread color, and probably still does. The following web site http://www.faqs.org/faqs/scouting/rec.scouting.issues/se

The way Benny has described it, after 6 months, the elected APL automatically becomes PL. So what they are really doing is electing the PL, just having him serve 6 months as APL first to learn the job. That makes some sense, but it also deprives the PL (and the patrol) of the benefits of having the PL choose his own assistant. The working-relationship issue has been mentioned, and also, learning to pick the right person for the right job is part of learning how to be a leader. The BSA gives a boy embarking on what is most likely his first elected leadership position an immediate opportunit

MaineScouter says: This thread has definately reached the end of its lifespan. I would say so. I am not sure how many different ways people can say that the youthful victims of this troop leadership should find a different troop, unless the powers that be can be prevailed upon to provide for new leaders. At this point the elephants have knocked over the circus tent on their way out, and the clowns have come piling out of that little car. Unfortunately, a few of the clowns are wearing red shoulder loops. I hope that the Archivist is able to find an answer and that Dan posts i

Some sense of humor you have there, Bob.

I don't think the Cub Scout medals are awarded anymore. I think you just get a certificate. I am waiting for mine for the Cub Scouter Award.

Good point OGE. It sounds like there has been way too much "whisper down the lane" in this situation. It's time for someone to get the straight story.

Does that mean the Red Cross will finally let the First Aid Merit Badge show a red cross instead of that stupid green one?

BobWhite says: Had the COL Council committee not agreed to follow the national guidelines the BSA would have have merely removed the membership of the Council committe and replaced them with volunteers who would continue to support the program. First, I have to laugh at yet another statement about "supporting the program," as if the exclusion of gays has anything to do with the BSA "program." The Cradle of Liberty council seems to understand the "program" better than national, at least in this respect. Nevertheless, it is national that has the authority to interpret the Oath and La

Craneace, although it means that I am coming perilously close to agreeing with Rooster about something, I also have to wonder how you know some of the facts you report. Most particularly, do you know with absolute certainty, not second-hand, that the Scoutmaster actually did receive a call from National (not just someone claiming to be from "national") saying the award was rescinded? I do not see how the answer to that could be yes unless you are the Scoutmaster. Assuming the answer to that question is no, and also assuming that all the other facts you have related are correct, if I wer

Perhaps this should be another thread, I'm just concerned that it would get too confusing. Rooster, I don't see how I am even "interpreting" the policy at all. The statement you quote deals only with adult leaders. The BSA web site has (or had) a different statement about how the BSA would deal with a youth member who states he is openly gay, and although I do not recall the details, I do recall that it does NOT involve an automatic termination. That being the case, it is you who are "interpreting" the policy to deal with a situation it does not deal with, that is, the revocation of an

I guess this would fall under the category of "Issues" as opposed to "Politics"... unless you count the fact that there is an option for Irish whiskey but none for Scotch.

Oops, now I read the other thread. I guess that answers my question to Craneace. (Though not my question to Dsteele.)

Craneace, are you just making an academic inquiry here? (Which would be fine, naturally.) Or are you aware of it happening to someone you know? Or that someone thinks it might happen? Or should happen? No names, of course.

Dsteele says: It was not done even in the Dale Case although, arguably, it should have. Well, I understand you have hedged your bets here by saying "arguably," but just out of curiosity, what would the "argument" have been? My recollection of the facts is that Mr. Dale earned his Eagle, turned 18, registered as an Assistant Scoutmaster with his troop, graduated high school, went to college, and there he "came out" -- in other words, became "openly gay -- all in that order. That being the case, he was not openly gay -- or in the words of the BSA, an "avowed homosexual" when he earne

LOL, I guess my son should have answered, "Which Star rank, the one from 1911-1924 or the one from 1924 to the present?" Good answer, or maybe your son should have said the five points stand for the five principal compass directions: North, south, east, west, and the fastest way out of this troop...