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  1. But seriously folks, when Judge Roy Moore put up his (unconstitutional) public monument of the Ten Commandments, the monument had 11 commandments. See https://tinyurl.com/y9oakh38 It all depends on how you parse the first few. And if I have this correct, Orthodox Jews find 613 (I think) commandments in Exodus, Leviticus and Deuteronomy, not just 10 or 11. A couple hundred of them only apply when there is a main Temple on the Temple Mount in Jerusalem, which there hasn't been for awhile, but there are people who do follow all ~ 400 that remain.
  2. Actually, my general view of morality is basically the same as the Reform Jewish movement (of which I am technically a part), Episcopalians, Unitarians and others.
  3. NJCubScouter

    Eagle Scout Extension for new 2019 Scouts

    As far as I know, every lawsuit againt the BSA regarding membership policies has either been won by the BSA or settled in such a way that the membership policy was not changed until the BSA later decided to change - with one exception. That exception is the complaint brought in the New Jersey Division of Civil Right on behalf of the 8-year-old trans boy who was denied membership in the Cub Scouts because his birth certificate says he is a girl. The BSA basically caved... they changed the policy and I believe they even paid some money to the kid's family. The BSA did not have to cave, they could have taken it up through the NJ appellate courts and ultimately to the U.S. Supreme Court, where they would have had the Dale case on their side, and may have won. I think they changed the policy because they were tired of negative publicity and, in retrospect, they knew that Cub Scouts would soon be opened to girls anyway.
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    Eagle Scout Extension for new 2019 Scouts

    Well, I think there is an "additional requirement" of sorts, in that the Scouts who do this will have 24 months (or less) to go from no-rank to Eagle, of which more than 16 months are time requirements, rather than having 7 years. There will be no time for pauses and probably very little or no time for sports, robotics, school plays or any other elective activity. These Scouts will basically be eating, sleeping, going to school (including college), doing homework (hopefully) and doing Scout advancement.
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    Eagle Scout Extension for new 2019 Scouts

    Thanks for that. I think that’s a good thing.
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    Eagle Scout Extension for new 2019 Scouts

    I was wondering about that too. Do we know that she will still be 17 as of Feb. 1?
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    Eagle Scout Extension for new 2019 Scouts

    You’re probably right. They would be treated like 18-20 year olds in Venturing are treated now: as youth for participation purposes but as adults for YP purposes.
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    Eagle Scout Extension for new 2019 Scouts

    That would seem to be the perfect case for a full 2-year extension. As for your previous question about whether they stay in the troop while age 19 and 20, how is it handled NOW when a Scout is given an extension past his 18th birthday? I do not know the answer to that question. We had one Scout who was given until his 19th birthday to make Eagle due to severe physical disabilities. Until he made Eagle (which actually was 4 or 5 months before he turned 19) he was treated as a Scout for all purposes. Whether that was correct under National policy, I don’t know. And this was about 12 years ago, so the application of YP rules may be different today than it was then. i think these are things that can be worked out.
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    Eagle Scout Extension for new 2019 Scouts

    I think what it actually seems to say is that every extension may be a different length. I think it probably suggests that someone who turns 16 on Jan. 31 will get significantly LESS than the full 2 year extension. But we’ll find out.
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    Eagle Scout Extension for new 2019 Scouts

    I think the term “inaugural year” adds unnecessary confusion to the discussion. Females can join ScoutsBSA starting on Feb. 1, 2019. The first females to earn Eagle will earn it in 2020. Those are the facts.
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    Eagle Scout Extension for new 2019 Scouts

    I agree. It seems like the most limited and equitable “transition rule” they could have adopted, if they were going to adopt one at all.
  12. NJCubScouter

    Eagle Scout Extension for new 2019 Scouts

    Another Solomonic decision.
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    Eagle Scout Extension for new 2019 Scouts

    This thread is a merger of the one started by Scotteg83 here and the one started by Eagle1993 under Open Discussion. Eagle’s title has been used but Scott’s is the “surviving” thread. If that makes any sense.
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    Eagle Scout Extension for new 2019 Scouts

    Until I got to #3, I thought this was the worst decision in history. But both genders are being treated equally, so I guess it isn’t the worst decision in history. It actually seems like a Solomonic decision. I guess. On a more positive note, I think the decision not to recognize a “first female Eagle Scout”, and the stated reasoning, is perfect. That is what I was hoping they would do.
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    Scouting Magazine - betting the farm on girls

    I suspect those first 10 minutes were spent thinking, "Hey, girls!" If it only takes 10 minutes for the "girls" to become "just Scouts," that bodes well for this thing being successful.
  16. NJCubScouter

    New girls in Scouting

    Not to me. And we'll take your word on their gender.
  17. Possibly. My point is that they don't require that its members share such a belief. Any lawyer in particular? Maybe. I suppose it is clearer and simpler to say that you have a book right here that contains all of the moral lessons and requirements that mankind needs, handed down from on high. It is much more complicated and messy if you believe that morality is aggregate result of thousands of years of human interactions, but that's what I think. I would appreciate it if you wouldn't tell me what I believe. In fact, I believe all of us are accountable to each other for our actions, although the "enforcement" of that accountability tends to be flawed and inconsistent, because we are human beings. I'm not protesting anything. We can all believe what we want to believe. Which gets back to the main point of the BSA's openness to a wide variety of beliefs.
  18. Imperfectly. Someone was questioning how this discussion relates to Scouting. One way it relates to Scouting is that Scouting does NOT require its members to believe that our moral code was dictated by a higher power. It merely requires a belief in a higher power. I for one believe that a supernatural force, beyond our comprehension, created the Universe and then probably retreated to the sidelines to watch the show - leaving the creatures on planets that eventually developed “intelligent” life to work out their own moral code(s) the best they could and try to survive in the process. I do realize that there is no organized religion that believes that, religious members of my own religion don’t believe that, and most members of this forum don’t believe that, but the great thing about Scouting is that I can believe that and still live the Scout Oath and Law at the same time.
  19. I suspect it will not come as a big surprise that I don't think you have answered my question.
  20. But exactly what is the moral guideline at work here? What does it say? From where does it originate? What is their authority?
  21. Well, yes, some people seem to think that, and I have had Jewish people tell me that Scouting is a Christian organization as a reason (excuse?) why their sons do not join. I tell them about the Schiff family and, less famously, my family. My father became a Boy Scout in 1938 in a troop sponsored by, of all things, a Jewish Community Center, in Bayonne, New Jersey. The first troop I was in as a Scout was about 30-40% Jewish, and the second was about 60% Jewish. So where this idea got started I have no idea, but it is a misconception that I have seen first-hand.
  22. That is a suggestion I have made for real, in this forum. When the most recent made round of advancement requirement changes were made (2016?) I had an issue with turning "Scout" from the "joining badge" into a "rank" and doubling (or so) the number of requirements. I thought Scout should remain the "joining badge" and have requirements that could be finished at the Scout's second or third troop meeting. But with the number of requirements for each rank now, that would probably mean creating another rank, and I thought "Third Class" would make the most sense. Not that I think it is ever going to happen.
  23. I wrote the religious reference letter for my son. Evidently it was sufficient.
  24. NJCubScouter

    YPT2 deadline

    It seems to me that the better analogy would be if your neighbor paid you the $40 for the privilege of cutting your lawn.
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    YPT2 deadline

    Just for myself, I have no plans to ever get involved at the district or council level. I have just seen too much "politics" at that level, and they don't seem to treat the volunteers very well, especially the newer ones. I believe that all of that would get in the way of whatever benefit I could provide. I suspect I am not the only unit Scouter who feels that way.,
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